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Post by countygroundhotel on Feb 19, 2017 10:27:10 GMT
Could the drawn out affair be just down to the fact that the delegates from both parties only get to meet up for perhaps an hour or so each week to thrash out deals and compromises and all the big complicated topics such such as costings, lease/ purchase etc could all be pretty much agreed and we are just left with the details that protects both interests ? The sort of details that can't all be sorted out in a hours meeting each week , these things obviously take time and need to be progressed little by little at each gathering of both parties delegates, my opinion but I think the lack of progressive statements and that of not many being in the know leads to widespread panic No
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 10:46:36 GMT
Could the drawn out affair be just down to the fact that the delegates from both parties only get to meet up for perhaps an hour or so each week to thrash out deals and compromises and all the big complicated topics such such as costings, lease/ purchase etc could all be pretty much agreed and we are just left with the details that protects both interests ? The sort of details that can't all be sorted out in a hours meeting each week , these things obviously take time and need to be progressed little by little at each gathering of both parties delegates, my opinion but I think the lack of progressive statements and that of not many being in the know leads to widespread panic No Okay please elaborate then and furnish me with some in the know details then.
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Post by yategas78 on Feb 19, 2017 11:06:12 GMT
Good shout the only ones who are in the know are those sat around the table so unfortunately we have to keep the faith and wait for the outcome UTG
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Post by countygroundhotel on Feb 19, 2017 11:09:43 GMT
Okay please elaborate then and furnish me with some in the know details then. It's a multi-million pound contract it's not being handled by someone who works part time when they want.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 11:22:05 GMT
Okay please elaborate then and furnish me with some in the know details then. It's a multi-million pound contract it's not being handled by someone who works part time when they want. Yes it is a multi-million pound project but my point is that I don't expect they sit around a boardroom table chucking bits of paper at each other 9-5 for 5 working days a week solely discussing the stadium proposal that may or may not happen , so I would imagine that these professional people set a date in their diaries to re-convene at a mutually agreed time to discuss and iron out a few more hurdles? Or is that a straight "no" also?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Feb 19, 2017 12:20:29 GMT
It's a multi-million pound contract it's not being handled by someone who works part time when they want. Yes it is a multi-million pound project but my point is that I don't expect they sit around a boardroom table chucking bits of paper at each other 9-5 for 5 working days a week solely discussing the stadium proposal that may or may not happen , so I would imagine that these professional people set a date in their diaries to re-convene at a mutually agreed time to discuss and iron out a few more hurdles? Or is that a straight "no" also? If you want to believe that the UWE is a tinpot operation that can't cope with complex negotiations then believe that. You'd be wrong but if that makes you feel better about these negotiations dragging on then so be it. So yes it a 'no'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 12:34:20 GMT
Yes it is a multi-million pound project but my point is that I don't expect they sit around a boardroom table chucking bits of paper at each other 9-5 for 5 working days a week solely discussing the stadium proposal that may or may not happen , so I would imagine that these professional people set a date in their diaries to re-convene at a mutually agreed time to discuss and iron out a few more hurdles? Or is that a straight "no" also? If you want to believe that the UWE is a tinpot operation that can't cope with complex negotiations then believe that. You'd be wrong but if that makes you feel better about these negotiations dragging on then so be it. So yes it a 'no'. I never said that it was a tinpot operation though did I fella?but there are many things to a multi-million pound project such as this ,more than just the purchase/lease of the land and naming rights etc, the discussions could be now all about protecting ones own interests etc and this isn't going to be discussed over a cup of coffee in grounded , it will no doubt take place over a period of months when certain criteria gets met so perhaps not an obtuse "no" but rather a optimistic non-negative "yes". Are you in the know as to why the stadium is taking so long to finalise everything or perhaps you have some inside knowledge you'd like to share with because my question was just that a " question " as I have no inside knowledge? Try the non- sarcasm route if possible though Fella 😉
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 19, 2017 12:35:19 GMT
Okay please elaborate then and furnish me with some in the know details then. Wael said seems to indicate in his interview they were still discussing whether the ground would be leased or purchased, if that's the case they seem a long way off just discussing the minor issues. Plus if they have agreed the main issues why not release a statement saying that as that's what most fans want to hear?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Feb 19, 2017 12:39:42 GMT
If you want to believe that the UWE is a tinpot operation that can't cope with complex negotiations then believe that. You'd be wrong but if that makes you feel better about these negotiations dragging on then so be it. So yes it a 'no'. I never said that it was a tinpot operation though did I fella?but there are many things to a multi-million pound project such as this ,more than just the purchase/lease of the land and naming rights etc, the discussions could be now all about protecting ones own interests etc and this isn't going to be discussed over a cup of coffee in grounded , it will no doubt take place over a period of months when certain criteria gets met so perhaps not an obtuse "no" but rather a optimistic non-negative "yes". Are you in the know as to why the stadium is taking so long to finalise everything or perhaps you have some inside knowledge you'd like to share with because my question was just that a " question " as I have no inside knowledge? Try the non- sarcasm route if possible though Fella 😉 Oh dear I've touched a nerve there. No inside knowledge, just like yourself, but the delays will be because they proposed terms that we won't agree with. It won't be because Cuthbert only works on Wednesday every second month which was your question.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 12:43:19 GMT
Okay please elaborate then and furnish me with some in the know details then. Wael said seems to indicate in his interview they were still discussing whether the ground would be leased or purchased, if that's the case they seem a long way off just discussing the minor issues. Plus if they have agreed the main issues why not release a statement saying that as that's what most fans want to hear? I didn't hear him mention anything about whether the ground would be leased or purchased? We will own the ground but originally we were leasing the land it would stood on if my memory serves me correct, but I not sure in any of yesterday's interviews he mentioned this as the reason for the prolonged talks , also I'd imagine that if they had agreed the main issues with so many other issues still to discuss it would be wise giving us fans false hope in case there become a standoff and talks collapsed at a later stage, surely better to iron it all out then move on in unison however long it takes
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 12:45:59 GMT
I never said that it was a tinpot operation though did I fella?but there are many things to a multi-million pound project such as this ,more than just the purchase/lease of the land and naming rights etc, the discussions could be now all about protecting ones own interests etc and this isn't going to be discussed over a cup of coffee in grounded , it will no doubt take place over a period of months when certain criteria gets met so perhaps not an obtuse "no" but rather a optimistic non-negative "yes". Are you in the know as to why the stadium is taking so long to finalise everything or perhaps you have some inside knowledge you'd like to share with because my question was just that a " question " as I have no inside knowledge? Try the non- sarcasm route if possible though Fella 😉 Oh dear I've touched a nerve there. No inside knowledge, just like yourself, but the delays will be because they proposed terms that we won't agree with. It won't be because Cuthbert only works on Wednesday every second month which was your question. A bit more to my question than that though but thanks for sharing your knowledge with me .
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Post by chilly1883 on Feb 19, 2017 17:33:16 GMT
Clearly, no one on here knows nothing, so let's just carry on "waiting" for the board to tell us fans something 👍
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 19, 2017 20:36:37 GMT
Wael said seems to indicate in his interview they were still discussing whether the ground would be leased or purchased, if that's the case they seem a long way off just discussing the minor issues. Plus if they have agreed the main issues why not release a statement saying that as that's what most fans want to hear? I didn't hear him mention anything about whether the ground would be leased or purchased? We will own the ground but originally we were leasing the land it would stood on if my memory serves me correct, but I not sure in any of yesterday's interviews he mentioned this as the reason for the prolonged talks , also I'd imagine that if they had agreed the main issues with so many other issues still to discuss it would be wise giving us fans false hope in case there become a standoff and talks collapsed at a later stage, surely better to iron it all out then move on in unison however long it takes Suggest you listen again from around 25 mins GT "the word on the street is UWE want you to be tenants but you want to purchase" Wael "we have several options we are still exploring"
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Post by oldgas on Feb 19, 2017 20:38:01 GMT
I have just listened to the interview and this is my impression.
First of all, Wael is a very skilled interviewee. He answered each of GT's more pertinent questions in a way which allowed him to give exactly the answer he was prepared to give without being drawn further. You could tell he is an excellent businessman, someone who gives nothing away about what he's feeling or really thinks. I qthought I heard GT chuckle to himself a couple of times as he realised how skilfully he was being played, and that Wael wasn't going to let anything slip, no matter how the question was posed.
However, I do think Wael is quietly optimistic that the stadium will happen, but it's quite it's obvious it would be as near as dammit on his terms.
A formidable man, our Wael.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 19, 2017 20:51:55 GMT
Think we should play him up front on Sat.
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Post by gasstrictband on Feb 19, 2017 21:30:45 GMT
Everyone stay calm ,30 or 40 million pounds ,is just mickle and dime's to Wael ,
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Post by gasstrictband on Feb 19, 2017 21:56:31 GMT
I've ask Wael I know it a bit cheeky ,I looked Wael in the eye said how much do you carry in your hip pocket , he said to me and I quote, the beard has the ability to count up to 100 million in a hour , and if the beard lived to be a one hundred years old ,he wouldn't even scratch the surface .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 20:10:53 GMT
I never said that it was a tinpot operation though did I fella?but there are many things to a multi-million pound project such as this ,more than just the purchase/lease of the land and naming rights etc, the discussions could be now all about protecting ones own interests etc and this isn't going to be discussed over a cup of coffee in grounded , it will no doubt take place over a period of months when certain criteria gets met so perhaps not an obtuse "no" but rather a optimistic non-negative "yes". Are you in the know as to why the stadium is taking so long to finalise everything or perhaps you have some inside knowledge you'd like to share with because my question was just that a " question " as I have no inside knowledge? Try the non- sarcasm route if possible though Fella 😉 Oh dear I've touched a nerve there. No inside knowledge, just like yourself, but the delays will be because they proposed terms that we won't agree with. It won't be because Cuthbert only works on Wednesday every second month which was your question. I have no inside knowledge but have been involved in complex commercial negotiations so have some inside knowledge on how these things work...... Firstly neither party will put much if anything out into the public domain as it immediately gives away your commercial position as the other party will know where your weaknesses or thoughts are and how to play you. Secondly I've been involved in negotiating a £50m IT contract and a £1.4bn Business deal - both took substantial time to go through ever line of the contract, ensure every aspect was clear, understood, any ambiguity was removed and both parties were agreed. In fact on the £50m deal it took us 2 months to agree the exact wording on terms contained in 4 lines ..... We had a joint negotiating party covering both sides of 12 people - a mixture of lawyers, company officials, experts in particular fields and whilst we didn't work only one day a week, we couldn't commit to full time 5/6 days a week on the deal due to people having over commitments as we all had our day jobs to do too. The £50m deal took over a year to negotiate start to finish and we were sat round the negotiating table 8 plus hrs per day when we were there and that averaged 3 days per week.... So I'm fairly relaxed about what's going on at the moment and I think this is all happening in a pretty standard timescale for the complexity of the deal. All the BS about there being a Mexican standoff is exactly that - you both go to the table with terms and negotiate to a healthy compromise. We know the areas were happy to concede and what our red lines are and so will UWE and from my experience, there is rarely any stand offs or walkouts - in fact all the deals I've been involved with the parties have been really happy with progress, the deals that have been done and the terms. It's always been parties trying to do the best for both sides together without compromising the commercial and financial health for either party. CGH - I appreciate your views but you do appear to like to unnecessarily scaremonger or twist things on a subject where you don't appear to have much knowledge on process (apologies if i am wrong). My view is that obtaining agreement by Aug/Sep 2017 is very achievable and it wouldn't surprise me if we weren't close now. You always get everything agreed in principle by the negotiating party and then there is the approvals process whereby those who have legal authority then physically sign the contract (and normally wet signatures are required). This second bit always takes longer than expected and again my experience has seen this take at least a month - 6 weeks. So so to sum up - if you think about what the board has had on their plate since they took over - the players contracts, Darrell's contract and approach from Leeds, the training ground, the day to day running of the club, the small improvements to the mem, other smaller contracts then the time spent so far isn't unreasonable!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 21:26:37 GMT
Oh dear I've touched a nerve there. No inside knowledge, just like yourself, but the delays will be because they proposed terms that we won't agree with. It won't be because Cuthbert only works on Wednesday every second month which was your question. I have no inside knowledge but have been involved in complex commercial negotiations so have some inside knowledge on how these things work...... Firstly neither party will put much if anything out into the public domain as it immediately gives away your commercial position as the other party will know where your weaknesses or thoughts are and how to play you. Secondly I've been involved in negotiating a £50m IT contract and a £1.4bn Business deal - both took substantial time to go through ever line of the contract, ensure every aspect was clear, understood, any ambiguity was removed and both parties were agreed. In fact on the £50m deal it took us 2 months to agree the exact wording on terms contained in 4 lines ..... We had a joint negotiating party covering both sides of 12 people - a mixture of lawyers, company officials, experts in particular fields and whilst we didn't work only one day a week, we couldn't commit to full time 5/6 days a week on the deal due to people having over commitments as we all had our day jobs to do too. The £50m deal took over a year to negotiate start to finish and we were sat round the negotiating table 8 plus hrs per day when we were there and that averaged 3 days per week.... So I'm fairly relaxed about what's going on at the moment and I think this is all happening in a pretty standard timescale for the complexity of the deal. All the BS about there being a Mexican standoff is exactly that - you both go to the table with terms and negotiate to a healthy compromise. We know the areas were happy to concede and what our red lines are and so will UWE and from my experience, there is rarely any stand offs or walkouts - in fact all the deals I've been involved with the parties have been really happy with progress, the deals that have been done and the terms. It's always been parties trying to do the best for both sides together without compromising the commercial and financial health for either party. CGH - I appreciate your views but you do appear to like to unnecessarily scaremonger or twist things on a subject where you don't appear to have much knowledge on process (apologies if i am wrong). My view is that obtaining agreement by Aug/Sep 2017 is very achievable and it wouldn't surprise me if we weren't close now. You always get everything agreed in principle by the negotiating party and then there is the approvals process whereby those who have legal authority then physically sign the contract (and normally wet signatures are required). This second bit always takes longer than expected and again my experience has seen this take at least a month - 6 weeks. So so to sum up - if you think about what the board has had on their plate since they took over - the players contracts, Darrell's contract and approach from Leeds, the training ground, the day to day running of the club, the small improvements to the mem, other smaller contracts then the time spent so far isn't unreasonable! At last someone who is actually in the know to how these kind of negotiations actually pan out and what is actually involved and in all fairness went a long way to answer my original question as opposed to the other non-effort. Rome wasn't built in a day and nor will the UWE but I get the vibe that things are definitely progressing behind the scenes and it's a sit tight and wait game.
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Post by badengas on Feb 21, 2017 7:01:32 GMT
I know nothing
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