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Post by gaelgas on Feb 24, 2017 10:16:21 GMT
I know we are all enjoying city struggling and our amazing revival in recent times but one sobering fact is that we havnt been good enough to play them in a league match for nearly 16 years! Im in a minority on here in being fed up we didnt show more ambition in january and instead of pushing hard for promotion and championship football we are mostly relying on them to get relegated so we can actually compete in the same league again. I know we have overachieved but just believe a big push was there for the asking while this team are still together and stuff whether they stay up or go down. I dont buy into this "the club arnt ready for championship" rubbish. OK then. Lets put you on the spot. Please explain what the club should have done in January that would have made Championship football likely. which players should we have bought? what sort of money would we have had to pay for them? What size salary should we have offered if said players were available at any cost to entice them to move? please explain how the club could be made "Championship ready" between now and the start of next season. I may be in a minority here but I think the best way for this club to evolve is to remain in league 1 for at least another season, at least until we know a new stadium is coming. We need to walk before we can run. In any case I firmly believe league 1 is at least the equal of the old Division 2. This is as a result of all the foreign exotica in the Prem pushing quality players further down the leagues. I think the general quality of the football we see each week tends to support my theory. Whilst I agree with you in principle, if, and I know it's a big if, we did end up in the playoffs then we should try and take the opportunity by the nuts because I do think you have take it when it arises. We missed out under Holloway and nearly 20 years later we've never even been close again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 10:31:34 GMT
OK then. Lets put you on the spot. Please explain what the club should have done in January that would have made Championship football likely. which players should we have bought? what sort of money would we have had to pay for them? What size salary should we have offered if said players were available at any cost to entice them to move? please explain how the club could be made "Championship ready" between now and the start of next season. I may be in a minority here but I think the best way for this club to evolve is to remain in league 1 for at least another season, at least until we know a new stadium is coming. We need to walk before we can run. In any case I firmly believe league 1 is at least the equal of the old Division 2. This is as a result of all the foreign exotica in the Prem pushing quality players further down the leagues. I think the general quality of the football we see each week tends to support my theory. Whilst I agree with you in principle, if, and I know it's a big if, we did end up in the playoffs then we should try and take the opportunity by the nuts because I do think you have take it when it arises. We missed out under Holloway and nearly 20 years later we've never even been close again. Totally agree. This whole argument of 'waiting until we're ready' is just false. In football, nobody has the right to pick and choose when they're going up. Take it when you can, then adapt, improvise and overcome!
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Post by rambo on Feb 24, 2017 10:46:15 GMT
I think I can speak for all us Gas 'eads in saying that you've definitely got that bit right. UTG! Seems like the only thing many of our fans are interested in looking at the forums As I've already said on this thread, that's a bit of an unfair statement. Only 2 threads are city related and 2 more city & rovers related. Can't see any other obvious city threads from the past fortnight. Understandable when there has been a lot more to talk about on their side and nothing for us to discuss about our team this week. With 2 games coming up in quick succession, I am sure that will change from tomorrow.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Feb 24, 2017 11:01:11 GMT
Whilst I agree with you in principle, if, and I know it's a big if, we did end up in the playoffs then we should try and take the opportunity by the nuts because I do think you have take it when it arises. We missed out under Holloway and nearly 20 years later we've never even been close again. Totally agree. This whole argument of 'waiting until we're ready' is just false. In football, nobody has the right to pick and choose when they're going up. Take it when you can, then adapt, improvise and overcome! I don't think anybody would be disappointed if we got promoted, I for one would be ecstatic. But people are trying to look at the bigger picture. When we got relegated out of the football league everyone was distraught, mortified. But nearly three years later, I think it was one of the best things to happen to the club. If we were to get promoted, then throw huge sums of money around to try and stay there and it failed, we could be back in League One a year later, still paying Championship wages that we couldn't afford and be in the same sh** situation we were in 3 or 4 years ago. Instant success isn't necessarily the best solution for long term success. UTG!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 24, 2017 11:06:13 GMT
I firmly believe that if we keep DC in charge this season won't be the only season that we are up there or thereabouts for promotion.
Some of you are talking like this year is our one and only shot at the Championship!!
Bloody hell, we were in the Conference 2 years ago!! Get a grip!
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Post by Blackbeard on Feb 24, 2017 11:17:21 GMT
Sh1!heads 3to 1 detest Lansdown and his Bristol Sport franchises it appears I'd be gutted if rovers went that way if I'm honest so I do understand this The whole thing is so cringeworthy I'm not surprised they can't stomach it I remember a few weeks back, on one of my occasional visits to the comedy gold that is OTIB, that someone suggested Lansdown should go. The vitriol aimed at the poster was febrile, whilst one or two said the understood where he was coming from, the vast majority still think the sun shines from his every orifice and were basically willing to bend over and take whatever Lansdown wants to give them. Obviously things change quickly in football and the continuing run of defeats may well have shaken some of them out of their complacency, but I think the majority just dislike the whole Bristol Sport thing rather than Lansdown, or more properly they realise that without his money they are well and truly Screwed Yes I get that, the whole Bristol Sport thing is a contrived all things to all men super club but really who cares about all five sports including badminton ? It's very cringey and laughable and I'm not surprised the old guard at city don't like it, I wouldn't like rovers lumped in with a load of other stuff I have no interest in Ultimately Bristol Sport is lansdowns Brainchild and whilst he may well have been lauded as a messiah with money he really has turned Bristol City (or Bristol as it says on their stand seats ) into a co-opted joke that everyone apart from city fans seem to find quite funny
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Post by oldgas on Feb 24, 2017 11:17:32 GMT
Sh1!heads 3to 1 detest Lansdown and his Bristol Sport franchises it appears I'd be gutted if rovers went that way if I'm honest so I do understand this The whole thing is so cringeworthy I'm not surprised they can't stomach it I remember a few weeks back, on one of my occasional visits to the comedy gold that is OTIB, that someone suggested Lansdown should go. The vitriol aimed at the poster was febrile, whilst one or two said the understood where he was coming from, the vast majority still think the sun shines from his every orifice and were basically willing to bend over and take whatever Lansdown wants to give them. Obviously things change quickly in football and the continuing run of defeats may well have shaken some of them out of their complacency, but I think the majority just dislike the whole Bristol Sport thing rather than Lansdown, or more properly they realise that without his money they are well and truly screwwwwwed And your last sentence sums up their situation entirely. Without the Rosy Faced, Tax Dodging Lady Garden they would cease to exist. If the said RFTDLG were to pull the plug then 1982 ltd, Bristol sport Rugby, the female soccer dept. The basketball division, the motor sport arm, the tiddlywinks, ludo, snakes and ladders (featuring chief snake Taylor(spit)) and backgammon conglomerate would all disappear down the toilet. The whole wobbling house of cards depends entirely on his philanthropy, which tends to suggest a certain type of megalomaniac personality. Would you be happy with theGas being owned by a megalomaniac? It all depends how long he is prepared to continue financing the whole edifice. He won't last forever, and his family might not be so keen to keep the lower orders from South Bristol onside with huge amounts of cash. Returning to his curious complexion, he's either spending far to long in the Guernsey sunshine or he's feeling acutely embarrassed at being associated with 1982 ltd! We can only wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 11:50:20 GMT
I know we are all enjoying city struggling and our amazing revival in recent times but one sobering fact is that we havnt been good enough to play them in a league match for nearly 16 years! Im in a minority on here in being fed up we didnt show more ambition in january and instead of pushing hard for promotion and championship football we are mostly relying on them to get relegated so we can actually compete in the same league again. I know we have overachieved but just believe a big push was there for the asking while this team are still together and stuff whether they stay up or go down. I dont buy into this "the club arnt ready for championship" rubbish. OK then. Lets put you on the spot. Please explain what the club should have done in January that would have made Championship football likely. which players should we have bought? what sort of money would we have had to pay for them? What size salary should we have offered if said players were available at any cost to entice them to move? please explain how the club could be made "Championship ready" between now and the start of next season. I may be in a minority here but I think the best way for this club to evolve is to remain in league 1 for at least another season, at least until we know a new stadium is coming. We need to walk before we can run. In any case I firmly believe league 1 is at least the equal of the old Division 2. This is as a result of all the foreign exotica in the Prem pushing quality players further down the leagues. I think the general quality of the football we see each week tends to support my theory. I just feel that with taylor and easter out of the picture we should have got someone in to play upfront even a loan to try and maintain a play-off challenge. If billy sharpe left sheff utd in january would they have just made do? i dont think so Its the lack of ambition that has disappointed me,if we somehow went up it wouldnt be the end of the world to come back down imo though burton might just stay up this season. If we were 14th but well clear of the bottom 4 i would agree with you but we might not be in the top 8 in january for years to come. Lots on here except the line that it wasnt the clubs fault etc but i dont.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 11:55:12 GMT
OK then. Lets put you on the spot. Please explain what the club should have done in January that would have made Championship football likely. which players should we have bought? what sort of money would we have had to pay for them? What size salary should we have offered if said players were available at any cost to entice them to move? please explain how the club could be made "Championship ready" between now and the start of next season. I may be in a minority here but I think the best way for this club to evolve is to remain in league 1 for at least another season, at least until we know a new stadium is coming. We need to walk before we can run. In any case I firmly believe league 1 is at least the equal of the old Division 2. This is as a result of all the foreign exotica in the Prem pushing quality players further down the leagues. I think the general quality of the football we see each week tends to support my theory. I just feel that with taylor and easter out of the picture we should have got someone in to play upfront even a loan to try and maintain a play-off challenge. If billy sharpe left sheff utd in january would they have just made do? i dont think so Its the lack of ambition that has disappointed me,if we somehow went up it wouldnt be the end of the world to come back down imo though burton might just stay up this season. If we were 14th but well clear of the bottom 4 i would agree with you but we might not be in the top 8 in january for years to come. Lots on here except the line that it wasnt the clubs fault etc but i dont. Apparently, DC only knew two days beforehand that the snake was leaving. Now, every club in the country is constantly on the look-out for a 20 goal a season striker. As you go up the leagues, they become rarer, and more expensive. To expect DC to find one of these rare gems in two days, that is also available, is stretching it a bit far. I've no doubt he made a few enquiries, but the Jan window is a difficult area to work in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 12:03:21 GMT
I just feel that with taylor and easter out of the picture we should have got someone in to play upfront even a loan to try and maintain a play-off challenge. If billy sharpe left sheff utd in january would they have just made do? i dont think so Its the lack of ambition that has disappointed me,if we somehow went up it wouldnt be the end of the world to come back down imo though burton might just stay up this season. If we were 14th but well clear of the bottom 4 i would agree with you but we might not be in the top 8 in january for years to come. Lots on here except the line that it wasnt the clubs fault etc but i dont. Apparently, DC only knew two days beforehand that the snake was leaving. Now, every club in the country is constantly on the look-out for a 20 goal a season striker. As you go up the leagues, they become rarer, and more expensive. To expect DC to find one of these rare gems in two days, that is also available, is stretching it a bit far. I've no doubt he made a few enquiries, but the Jan window is a difficult area to work in. With a 300k release clause on such a good footballer they should have known he would leave in january and every year most deals are done right at the end of january. Its gone now,too late anyway so i had better shut up about it. Hopefully next season we will be flying high and with a new ground on its way and my doubts will look absurd.
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Post by Marshy on Feb 24, 2017 12:12:01 GMT
Apparently, DC only knew two days beforehand that the snake was leaving. Now, every club in the country is constantly on the look-out for a 20 goal a season striker. As you go up the leagues, they become rarer, and more expensive. To expect DC to find one of these rare gems in two days, that is also available, is stretching it a bit far. I've no doubt he made a few enquiries, but the Jan window is a difficult area to work in. With a 300k release clause on such a good footballer they should have known he would leave in january and every year most deals are done right at the end of january. Its gone now,too late anyway so i had better shut up about it. Hopefully next season we will be flying high and with a new ground on its way and my doubts will look absurd. As usual.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 12:14:59 GMT
Apparently, DC only knew two days beforehand that the snake was leaving. Now, every club in the country is constantly on the look-out for a 20 goal a season striker. As you go up the leagues, they become rarer, and more expensive. To expect DC to find one of these rare gems in two days, that is also available, is stretching it a bit far. I've no doubt he made a few enquiries, but the Jan window is a difficult area to work in. With a 300k release clause on such a good footballer they should have known he would leave in january and every year most deals are done right at the end of january. Its gone now,too late anyway so i had better shut up about it. Hopefully next season we will be flying high and with a new ground on its way and my doubts will look absurd.
I wonder how many other top goalscorers were available on a minimum release clause in January??
Personally i'd have told the snake to do one in the summer and got someone in who wanted to play for the club, not who is already thinking of their next move by insisting a paltry clause be put into the contract. Leaving with his head held high my ass. Putting his dick in the cup, going back on his word with Oxford, making us wait until the last minute in the summer...surely these were warning signs as to the type of bloke he is. - I don't care If we would have missed out on his goals and the cash, I didn't think DC's ethos was having players who were looking elsewhere? This is why its funny when people recommend players on here and others say "he's not DC's kind of player" (eg Ricky Miller) when the fact he allowed Taylor to sign with the clause shows he will take anyone as long as they do the job (as it should be)
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Post by Icegas on Feb 24, 2017 12:20:38 GMT
They had this city for the taking and they've f**ked it up big time. Our drop to the conference and their redeveloped ground was their chance to really make true of their threat that one day no one would talk of us. After all that money they've spent, and the little to date we have, we are on the cusp of taking them over not just on the pitch but off the pitch as well. The most likely scenario has to be a derby in league one next season. A good end to the season this year and who knows? The training ground is on the way and the stadium and I'm faithful will end up breaking ground this year, both brand new facilities. How is their downfall relevant to us? We've been in their shadow for a long time now, and to come back from where we were three years ago to close the gap is the stuff made of Hollywood and would be huge footballing news. The way they have taunted us over the years, and laughed us off, dismissed our presence and quintessentially stolen our top scorer and in an ungracious manner, seemingly more to stunt our growth than to improve their team, makes it all the more sweet. Laughably, said player looks to me like one of their strongest players. We're nipping at their heels, stronger than we've been in a long time, and they can feel the heat. I agree with this post this "gap" that has been talked about,and us so called living in there shadow is 99% down to us going backwards as a club until May 2014 and being run like a shambles, rather than there growth. Let's get this right (THEY HAVE DONE F#CK ALL During the past 16 years!) I can understand gasheads reacting and wanting to wind up there lot given what's happening there but they are far from down yet..
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Post by rambo on Feb 24, 2017 12:28:21 GMT
Apparently, DC only knew two days beforehand that the snake was leaving. Now, every club in the country is constantly on the look-out for a 20 goal a season striker. As you go up the leagues, they become rarer, and more expensive. To expect DC to find one of these rare gems in two days, that is also available, is stretching it a bit far. I've no doubt he made a few enquiries, but the Jan window is a difficult area to work in. With a 300k release clause on such a good footballer they should have known he would leave in january and every year most deals are done right at the end of january. Its gone now,too late anyway so i had better shut up about it. Hopefully next season we will be flying high and with a new ground on its way and my doubts will look absurd. You are more than entitled to your opinion bluebutterfly. And there is an element to what you are saying that I agree with. We were in a fantastic position in January and we could perhaps have given a little more to replace the snake. But I imagine there was no room in the budget for snakey and another top striker (if you could even find one). So given that he was staying until 29th January, we would not have been able to bring one in until then anyway. So even if DC had a list of 100 targets, I would hazard a guess that most of them either wouldn't have been allowed to come, want to come, or clubs asking way over the odd's with it being January. The remainder probably got snapped up before the 29th January leaving us with diddly squat to choose from. Different story had snakey left on the 1st. DC will be able to do better business in the summer and I think we'll have a better season next than we do this season so long as DC is at the helm. Realistically the probability of spunking cash needlessly up the wall in Jan probably far outweighed the probability of finding the right player, making the playoffs and winning them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 12:32:55 GMT
I firmly believe that if we keep DC in charge this season won't be the only season that we are up there or thereabouts for promotion. Some of you are talking like this year is our one and only shot at the Championship!! Bloody hell, we were in the Conference 2 years ago!! Get a grip! Think after the last few years people are used to extremes, its been a really solid first season. If we can set the training ground and stadium up in 2-3 yrs it assures we can pay for long term success in the Championship. I would not moan about promotion having said all that!
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2017 12:40:11 GMT
I firmly believe that if we keep DC in charge this season won't be the only season that we are up there or thereabouts for promotion. Some of you are talking like this year is our one and only shot at the Championship!! Bloody hell, we were in the Conference 2 years ago!! Get a grip! Think after the last few years people are used to extremes, its been a really solid first season. If we can set the training ground and stadium up in 2-3 yrs it assures we can pay for long term success in the Championship. I would not moan about promotion having said all that! I think Wael is building a structure, a structure starting at the training ground. Give the youth a great chance, build on that. Inbetween get the new ground, buy a few, sell a few, at the right price. I no longer go into a season nervous.
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Post by grayraydon on Feb 24, 2017 18:14:11 GMT
The rosy faced lady garden on itv news at the moment saying the midget is in charge for the next 3 games definitely. Happy days.
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Post by madgas on Feb 24, 2017 18:29:45 GMT
I know this is a bit of a joke. But f**k SL!
Bristol sport might be screwing the city but he's also messing with good cricket and rugby team.
Robinson was always going to be a disaster. The support that rugby team gets- it's well underperforming.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 24, 2017 18:44:25 GMT
I know we are all enjoying city struggling and our amazing revival in recent times but one sobering fact is that we havnt been good enough to play them in a league match for nearly 16 years! Im in a minority on here in being fed up we didnt show more ambition in january and instead of pushing hard for promotion and championship football we are mostly relying on them to get relegated so we can actually compete in the same league again. I know we have overachieved but just believe a big push was there for the asking while this team are still together and stuff whether they stay up or go down. I dont buy into this "the club arnt ready for championship" rubbish.No I don't either, you have to grasp every chance for promotion whenever it comes. But I don't think we were among the best 6 teams in this league before MT went. Everyone has a right to an opinion and you argue it passionately. No Rovers fan would not want to get promotion but the majority also accept we are having a very good season and if we don't get promotion that won't make it less good! After two promotions accepting consolidation is still a very good season and accepting that it wasnt Rovers fault he went doesn't make us any less right! Repeating the same argument all the time is making it a bit like Groundhog Day! UTG!
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Post by socrates on Feb 24, 2017 19:32:22 GMT
Apparently, DC only knew two days beforehand that the snake was leaving. Now, every club in the country is constantly on the look-out for a 20 goal a season striker. As you go up the leagues, they become rarer, and more expensive. To expect DC to find one of these rare gems in two days, that is also available, is stretching it a bit far. I've no doubt he made a few enquiries, but the Jan window is a difficult area to work in. With a 300k release clause on such a good footballer they should have known he would leave in january and every year most deals are done right at the end of january. Its gone now,too late anyway so i had better shut up about it. Hopefully next season we will be flying high and with a new ground on its way and my doubts will look absurd. New day same old debate. We've got what we've got and DC and the board have done a very good job. There will always be people that aren't happy and feel that we could have done more. Maybe they should get in to football management or buy a football club see if they can do better.
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