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Mar 15, 2017 8:33:15 GMT
Post by smudge1 on Mar 15, 2017 8:33:15 GMT
Can it be right that the ref is from Darwen in Lancashire which is a mere 11 miles from Bury? FA should look at the allocation of referees, its like us getting a ref from Chipping Sodbury refereeing our game at home. Also look at his record of yellow cards, a tad excessive!!
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Post by pudseygas on Mar 15, 2017 8:35:00 GMT
He's a good ref apparently 😄
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Mar 15, 2017 8:40:22 GMT
Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 15, 2017 8:40:22 GMT
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Mar 15, 2017 8:48:41 GMT
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Post by HorndeanGas on Mar 15, 2017 8:48:41 GMT
Well that explains alot
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Mar 15, 2017 9:27:13 GMT
Post by markczgas on Mar 15, 2017 9:27:13 GMT
It's very hard to tell from the replays if Sincs dived or not, but the ref should have used discretion on the 2nd and said to him one more of those and you're off - 2 simulation bookings in L1 - a joke !!! Then their penalty - their guy has done an unnatural fall but doesn't get booked but a penalty !!! That must have really irked DC.
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Mar 15, 2017 9:42:27 GMT
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Mar 15, 2017 9:42:27 GMT
If those two challenges re Sinclair are worth red card I despair totally ridiculous I know refs got hard job but surely lineman or somebody should say hold on ref RED?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Mar 15, 2017 9:56:02 GMT
If those two challenges re Sinclair are worth red card I despair totally ridiculous I know refs got hard job but surely lineman or somebody should say hold on ref RED? I haven't seen the highlights so I'm not saying if he got the decisions right or wrong. But in fairness to the ref, if he thinks someones dived twice, then its two yellow cards. You can't not give someone a yellow card just because they've already had one. If someone's daft enough to commit another yellow card offense when they've already had one, then its their own fault when they get sent off.
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Mar 15, 2017 9:57:03 GMT
Post by long john silver on Mar 15, 2017 9:57:03 GMT
he gifted bury their easiest 3 points they will get this year , how someone from bury was allowed to ref the game i never know.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Mar 15, 2017 10:00:01 GMT
If those two challenges re Sinclair are worth red card I despair totally ridiculous I know refs got hard job but surely lineman or somebody should say hold on ref RED? I haven't seen the highlights so I'm not saying if he got the decisions right or wrong. But in fairness to the ref, if he thinks someones dived twice, then its two yellow cards. You can't not give someone a yellow card just because they've already had one. If someone's daft enough to commit another yellow card offense when they've already had one, then its their own fault when they get sent off. you need to watch highlights then comment I would suggest
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Post by Squiffy on Mar 15, 2017 10:06:19 GMT
It does seem like the punishment was disproportionate to the alleged crimes. I've watched the footage several times and it is really difficult to be certain that there was intent to deceive as it all happens so quickly and at some distance from the observer. If Sincs had hacked someone down then fair enough, but there is a reasonable element of doubt. Perhaps there is a place for rugby/ice hockey sin bins in football for this kind of thing, I.e. Gamesmanship, arguing with the ref, etc.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 15, 2017 10:20:25 GMT
If those two challenges re Sinclair are worth red card I despair totally ridiculous I know refs got hard job but surely lineman or somebody should say hold on ref RED? I haven't seen the highlights so I'm not saying if he got the decisions right or wrong. But in fairness to the ref, if he thinks someones dived twice, then its two yellow cards. You can't not give someone a yellow card just because they've already had one. If someone's daft enough to commit another yellow card offense when they've already had one, then its their own fault when they get sent off. I agree. But you can't just do that in one match and then ignore it for the rest of the season. Not saying this ref does, but, on the whole, refs need to behave consistently, collectively. How many times have we seen someone go down like that and not get a card?It just seems bizarre to do it twice to the same bloke in one half, and then give a penalty to the opposition for a similar situation. To give a card for diving the ref has to be 100% it's a dive. And to give a pen a ref has to be 100% it's a pen. So that's 3 100% decisions the ref gave which completely turned the game, whereas looking at the replays they all look like 50-50s to me. If the first Sincs was a dive, why is the player who (didn't) foul him, holding his hands up in apology as he runs back?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 10:29:29 GMT
The guy for the pen threw himself down. with Sincs I just can't make a decision due to the way filmed. I don't think I've ever seen Sincs go down without a bulldozer hitting him - so surprised.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Mar 15, 2017 11:10:44 GMT
Just to clarify, I'm not defending the ref's decision because as I say I haven't seen it. What I'm saying is that if I was watching a game on tv and the ref gave a player two yellow cards both for diving and sent him off I'd say fair play to him. That's what should be happening week in week out in some premier league games because it needs to be eradicated from the game. And if they see it that the player has dived twice, they shouldn't let them off the second time because they have just given him the first booking for the same offense 5 minutes earlier. But yes Antonio you are right that the ref needs to be 100% sure that someone has dived before giving them a yellow card for it and there also needs to be more consistency with it.
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Post by wiaww on Mar 15, 2017 11:15:45 GMT
The guy for the pen threw himself down. with Sincs I just can't make a decision due to the way filmed. I don't think I've ever seen Sincs go down without a bulldozer hitting him - so surprised. First is categorically not a dive. You can tell by the way their number 3 puts his hands up as he jogs away that contact was made. If Sincs had gone down without any contact their 3 would have rounded on him in a heartbeat. Ironic then that it's their 3 that launches himself to the ground in our box second half. Shocking reffing.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 15, 2017 11:17:03 GMT
Just to clarify, I'm not defending the ref's decision because as I say I haven't seen it. What I'm saying is that if I was watching a game on tv and the ref gave a player two yellow cards both for diving and sent him off I'd say fair play to him. That's what should be happening week in week out in some premier league games because it needs to be eradicated from the game. And if they see it that the player has dived twice, they shouldn't let them off the second time because they have just given him the first booking for the same offense 5 minutes earlier. But yes Antonio you are right that the ref needs to be 100% sure that someone has dived before giving them a yellow card for it and there also needs to be more consistency with it. This would all be well and good if they were 2 definite dives and the Bury player would get punished for his dive instead of winning a penalty.
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Mar 15, 2017 11:17:48 GMT
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Post by kylegas on Mar 15, 2017 11:17:48 GMT
Looked like 2 dives to me, which is 2 yellow cards. Can't blame the ref for Sinclair's stupidity.. and if that penalty was a dive (which it may well have been) then fair play to the bloke for making it look a lot more realistic than our dives, other than those 3 decisions how was the ref for the rest of the game?
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Mar 15, 2017 11:18:37 GMT
Post by Gas_Quarters on Mar 15, 2017 11:18:37 GMT
Just to clarify, I'm not defending the ref's decision because as I say I haven't seen it. What I'm saying is that if I was watching a game on tv and the ref gave a player two yellow cards both for diving and sent him off I'd say fair play to him. That's what should be happening week in week out in some premier league games because it needs to be eradicated from the game. And if they see it that the player has dived twice, they shouldn't let them off the second time because they have just given him the first booking for the same offense 5 minutes earlier. But yes Antonio you are right that the ref needs to be 100% sure that someone has dived before giving them a yellow card for it and there also needs to be more consistency with it. This would all be well and good if they were 2 definite dives and the Bury player would get punished for his dive instead of winning a penalty. You clearly didn't read the rest of my post then.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2017 11:20:24 GMT
Just to clarify, I'm not defending the ref's decision because as I say I haven't seen it. What I'm saying is that if I was watching a game on tv and the ref gave a player two yellow cards both for diving and sent him off I'd say fair play to him. That's what should be happening week in week out in some premier league games because it needs to be eradicated from the game. And if they see it that the player has dived twice, they shouldn't let them off the second time because they have just given him the first booking for the same offense 5 minutes earlier. But yes Antonio you are right that the ref needs to be 100% sure that someone has dived before giving them a yellow card for it and there also needs to be more consistency with it. Suggest you watch the highlights before commenting? If Sincs had done two clear dives then it's his own fault but the two offences didn't seem like obvious dives to most of us, plus why treat the Bury player differently? This seems a "fix" to me and with the ref coming from Darwin probably explains things as he probably doesn't want one of his local teams relegated, a bit like if one of us was ref'ing a Bath City game.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 15, 2017 11:23:08 GMT
I was there last night, and it was impossible to decide on any of the three main events. However, having just woken up, I've now looked at the footage, and I think the body language of the players involved says it all.
On the first tackle, their guy is apologising as he runs away with his arms in the air. On the second, the lad who did the tackle looks very sheepish, thinking he has' probably ' given away a free kick in a dangerous place. How any of the refs on here can say either was a definite booking is beyond me unless you have secret cameras anywhere.
As for the penalty, why wasn't he booked for diving? The most clearcut of all. As for the ref living just outside Bury, well, that's just a bl**dy joke.
But what really tells you the ref was a joke were many of his other decisions which are not shown. Other times when their players dived on the floor but no cards, constant shirt pulling, wrestling players down but no punishment.
No, this guy was determined to keep Bury up, and sadly I think he has succeeded. Mind you, we didn't really create much last night ourselves.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 15, 2017 12:13:01 GMT
I was there last night, and it was impossible to decide on any of the three main events. However, having just woken up, I've now looked at the footage, and I think the body language of the players involved says it all. On the first tackle, their guy is apologising as he runs away with his arms in the air. On the second, the lad who did the tackle looks very sheepish, thinking he has' probably ' given away a free kick in a dangerous place. How any of the refs on here can say either was a definite booking is beyond me unless you have secret cameras anywhere. As for the penalty, why wasn't he booked for diving? The most clearcut of all. As for the ref living just outside Bury, well, that's just a bl**dy joke. But what really tells you the ref was a joke were many of his other decisions which are not shown. Other times when their players dived on the floor but no cards, constant shirt pulling, wrestling players down but no punishment. No, this guy was determined to keep Bury up, and sadly I think he has succeeded. Mind you, we didn't really create much last night ourselves. Looking at the replies on this thread, they range from saying that they were both clear dives to saying that there was clearly contact on both occasions. I find it hard to judge from the highlights, having watched it several times. The ref has to be clear in his mind straight away that it was an obvious dive, on both occasions, to give those cards. I'm not sure how he can have been. We are right to feel hard done by and Sincs must be livid as it affects his reputation.
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