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Post by garystash on Mar 20, 2017 7:24:33 GMT
Sorry if this has been covered already but the whole situation with Luke James doesn't seem quite as simple as it might normally be. Didn't Peterborough waste half a million quid on him and give him a four year deal in late 2014? In which case if DC does get him scoring we are potentially going to be in a Gaffney situation where they suddenly decide they want a solid transfer fee if we want to sign him in the Summer? It's hard to see them giving him away. It just strikes me that if DC gets him scoring then Peterborough might decide to keep him or demand over the odds from us for him - so the whole project seems a bit odd. Totally different case if he was actually our player. Don't get me wrong, if DC rates him then so do I. But if he's not our player then why would we put so much effort into getting him up and running again unless there's a mutual agreement about signing him in the off-season and most importantly at an agreed value. Is that even legal or possible? I remember the loan deal was with the 'option to buy'. Now, I'm not sure if that means a price is pre-agreed, but you would think so. Edit: option to make it permanent in May m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36723609
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 20, 2017 7:44:01 GMT
Sorry if this has been covered already but the whole situation with Luke James doesn't seem quite as simple as it might normally be. Didn't Peterborough waste half a million quid on him and give him a four year deal in late 2014? In which case if DC does get him scoring we are potentially going to be in a Gaffney situation where they suddenly decide they want a solid transfer fee if we want to sign him in the Summer? It's hard to see them giving him away. It just strikes me that if DC gets him scoring then Peterborough might decide to keep him or demand over the odds from us for him - so the whole project seems a bit odd. Totally different case if he was actually our player. Don't get me wrong, if DC rates him then so do I. But if he's not our player then why would we put so much effort into getting him up and running again unless there's a mutual agreement about signing him in the off-season and most importantly at an agreed value. Is that even legal or possible? I remember the loan deal was with the 'option to buy'. Now, I'm not sure if that means a price is pre-agreed, but you would think so. Edit: option to make it permanent in May m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36723609That seals it, I really think he will stay. I've got a feeling he will come good.
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 20, 2017 7:55:59 GMT
I remember the loan deal was with the 'option to buy'. Now, I'm not sure if that means a price is pre-agreed, but you would think so. Edit: option to make it permanent in May m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36723609That seals it, I really think he will stay. I've got a feeling he will come good. Until a month ago I couldn`t see anything in him at all, apart from running around a lot. But the last few weeks, he does seem to have added a degree of talent to his game too. I thought he played well on Saturday; the pass to release Gaffney for his goal was sublime. He must be a nightmare for defenders, with his non stop movement. I think he`s worth persevering with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 8:11:38 GMT
No, get rid. We should be aiming higher. Give Simeone a call; see if he`s willing to sell us Antoine Griezmann. I`m sure he would come for £2,000 a week, plus his choice of car from Bristol Street Motors. There lies the problem,james,harrison and gaffney are all decent but if our budget is significantly higher next season we may be able to get better if its the same it may be difficult to find better players. Ps i know its not all about money but if you look through the leagues its the larger budget teams that usually prevail. We won't be a higher budget team and we have never really been big spenders. I'd say most fans are pretty happy with the culture wrt bringing players on. There is also no guarantee of success with money and although you are right generally there are also plenty of examples of large budgets failing.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 20, 2017 8:20:40 GMT
That seals it, I really think he will stay. I've got a feeling he will come good. Until a month ago I couldn`t see anything in him at all, apart from running around a lot. But the last few weeks, he does seem to have added a degree of talent to his game too. I thought he played well on Saturday; the pass to release Gaffney for his goal was sublime. He must be a nightmare for defenders, with his non stop movement. I think he`s worth persevering with. I've always felt he's been a bit unlucky to be honest. Against Fleetwood he came on and did well, should have won a penalty and got booked for diving. Then since then I can remember him have shots cleared off the line, hit the post etc, and then Saturday, he wins the penalty but is unfortunate that he's missed it. Credit must go to DC's strong management again as when he believes in someone, he will persevere with them, even if it means taking the flak from our fans. Remember when Taylor went on a barren run to start with and missed a few sitters? Although you could see Taylor had class but many were quick to criticise him and DC for not being dropped. But DC kept belief in him and it paid off (well kind of!) The lovely thing is now is that DC has got the belief of the fans behind him. And I'm sure some of these people behind Luke James still now, would not have been behind him if it wasn't for DC's record of improving and getting the best out of players.
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Post by Gasshole on Mar 20, 2017 8:43:02 GMT
There lies the problem,james,harrison and gaffney are all decent but if our budget is significantly higher next season we may be able to get better if its the same it may be difficult to find better players. Ps i know its not all about money but if you look through the leagues its the larger budget teams that usually prevail. We won't be a higher budget team and we have never really been big spenders. I'd say most fans are pretty happy with the culture wrt bringing players on. There is also no guarantee of success with money and although you are right generally there are also plenty of examples of large budgets failing. True eh, It's incredible how much Lansdown has spent, and they are absolutely fkin rubbish.
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 20, 2017 9:08:31 GMT
If Luke sky walker had missed the Lallana chance this thread would have erupted, "can't even get his feet right what is he a three year old!
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 20, 2017 9:09:47 GMT
Think it's a conspiracy to get him cheap next season Golden boot winner!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 20, 2017 10:01:11 GMT
No, get rid. We should be aiming higher. Give Simeone a call; see if he`s willing to sell us Antoine Griezmann. I`m sure he would come for £2,000 a week, plus his choice of car from Bristol Street Motors. There lies the problem,james,harrison and gaffney are all decent but if our budget is significantly higher next season we may be able to get better if its the same it may be difficult to find better players. Ps i know its not all about money but if you look through the leagues its the larger budget teams that usually prevail. Why would it be bigger next season ? Same ground, same gates, same number of supporters no new income streams ??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 10:33:08 GMT
There lies the problem,james,harrison and gaffney are all decent but if our budget is significantly higher next season we may be able to get better if its the same it may be difficult to find better players. Ps i know its not all about money but if you look through the leagues its the larger budget teams that usually prevail. Why would it be bigger next season ? Same ground, same gates, same number of supporters no new income streams ?? Fair point,its going to be very difficult in my view to improve the team next season.
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 20, 2017 10:38:39 GMT
Why would it be bigger next season ? Same ground, same gates, same number of supporters no new income streams ?? Fair point,its going to be very difficult in my view to improve the team next season. If we could keep the squad we have now, I`d be delighted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 10:51:05 GMT
Why would it be bigger next season ? Same ground, same gates, same number of supporters no new income streams ?? Fair point,its going to be very difficult in my view to improve the team next season. Well maybe we could attract players who may not have fancied us this time last year? We have gone from LG1 new boys to genuinely competitive, and we have upwards trajectory.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Mar 20, 2017 11:00:50 GMT
Not sure if I was a player looking for an upwardly mobile club to join how much our crap stadium would deter me.Crowds a plus as I wouldn't want to play in front of tiny attendances week in week out.Everything is relative of-course.Elderly Alfreton supporter became very emotional about playing at such a big club when he watched us demolish his part timers whereas Bolton referred to the Mem as having a stand like something from Chernobyl.
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Post by gaffers on Mar 20, 2017 11:08:44 GMT
The players we could attract aren't going to have a high market value And their wages can't be too high so that normally means lower league players so it will be a step up anyway...unless we go for young unproven players
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Post by gaelgas on Mar 20, 2017 11:17:45 GMT
There lies the problem,james,harrison and gaffney are all decent but if our budget is significantly higher next season we may be able to get better if its the same it may be difficult to find better players. Ps i know its not all about money but if you look through the leagues its the larger budget teams that usually prevail. Why would it be bigger next season ? Same ground, same gates, same number of supporters no new income streams ?? Budgets tend to be set on the previous season's income, our gates have increased by 16.3% this season so it's entirely possible that there would be a commensurate and significant increase (say 10-15%) in our budget.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 20, 2017 11:24:15 GMT
But as the gates increased translated into profits being increased, or at least losses cut by 10-15%? Plus does the club even want to go up whilst we're at the Mem? Although if we ever agree a deal with the UWE you'd hope the AL-Q's plan would be to hit the Championship by the time we move, which will surely mean DC being given a bigger budget?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 11:24:24 GMT
There lies the problem,james,harrison and gaffney are all decent but if our budget is significantly higher next season we may be able to get better if its the same it may be difficult to find better players. Ps i know its not all about money but if you look through the leagues its the larger budget teams that usually prevail. Why would it be bigger next season ? Same ground, same gates, same number of supporters no new income streams ?? Exactly - and that's why imo we are probably at least two seasons away from even contemplating a promotion. At a guess I would reckon an average wage for a reasonably good championship player would be in the region of £8-£12k per week - a first division player possibly more like £2-£5k. On the face of it our owners will not be bankrolling a playing budget - it needs to be self financing which it won't be whilst we are still at the Mem. Prepared to be shot down on this if someone knows differently - fact is the unmentionable tripled his wages when he moved - and he's only a bench warmer!!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Mar 20, 2017 11:39:10 GMT
There lies the problem,james,harrison and gaffney are all decent but if our budget is significantly higher next season we may be able to get better if its the same it may be difficult to find better players. Ps i know its not all about money but if you look through the leagues its the larger budget teams that usually prevail. Why would it be bigger next season ? Same ground, same gates, same number of supporters no new income streams ?? Gates have gone up from last year though so that may affect next year's budget. The other thing to consider is that we will not have the same size squad that we had at the start of this season. DC's tactic of offering the whole promotion squad contracts obviously worked because we got promoted, but it also meant that there was a lot of fringe players or players sat in the stands that were on our wage bill. If you look at the outs and ins since September, our wage bill now must be smaller than it was then. Outs: Roos Puddy Roberts Colkett Boateng Snake (probably comfortably our highest earner) Lawrence Mcchrystal Ins: Lumley Sweeney Partington Burn Add to this the fact that he's already told Easter, Lyttle and Malpas that they won't be needed next season. Mansell and Mildenhall have featured very little so it would surprise me if they were still here next year (at least as players). I bet there is much more of the wage budget available now than there was earlier in the season. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Mar 20, 2017 11:44:05 GMT
We won't be a higher budget team and we have never really been big spenders. I'd say most fans are pretty happy with the culture wrt bringing players on. There is also no guarantee of success with money and although you are right generally there are also plenty of examples of large budgets failing. True eh, It's incredible how much Lansdown has spent, and they are absolutely fkin rubbish. Another way of looking at it, compare our 13/14 relegation budget with our 15/16 promotion budget. I bet the latter was much lower. UTG!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 20, 2017 12:05:32 GMT
Why would it be bigger next season ? Same ground, same gates, same number of supporters no new income streams ?? Budgets tend to be set on the previous season's income, our gates have increased by 16.3% this season so it's entirely possible that there would be a commensurate and significant increase (say 10-15%) in our budget. do you take into account the increased costs of the new training ground purchase/update ?
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