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Post by Gas_Quarters on Mar 29, 2017 12:21:48 GMT
Not sure why he believes he can dictate that football league clubs have to play senior players when a prestigious tournament like the FA Cup is used as a training match to the top clubs without any repercussions. I'm not sure if there are any real winners in all of this (apart from one of the finalists of course), but it certainly isn't football league clubs in general. An already mickey mouse cup has now been downgraded to Goofy status. Agreed. The fact that they said they revamped the competition to help develop young English players, then fined clubs for playing their young English players is possibly the most ridiculous thing that's happened in English football this century.
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Post by baggins on Mar 29, 2017 12:24:08 GMT
This still going to happen next season?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Mar 29, 2017 12:27:00 GMT
This still going to happen next season? If it's left to twat Harvey then yes
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Post by baggins on Mar 29, 2017 12:27:59 GMT
This still going to happen next season? If it's left to twat Harvey then yes Great. Field our youth, sod the fine.
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Post by tommym9 on Mar 29, 2017 12:33:28 GMT
I'll chip in for the fine
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Post by baggins on Mar 29, 2017 12:45:18 GMT
I'll chip in for the fine How much is the fine?
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Post by Marshy on Mar 29, 2017 12:47:44 GMT
I'll chip in for the fine How much is the fine? Don't worry it's fine Wael pay it.
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Post by mftc on Mar 29, 2017 12:56:01 GMT
If the premier teams want less games why not kick them out of the "LEAGUE" cup. It only seems to be Arsenal under 23s who are interested in it until the semis anyway.
They can have their own floodlit midweek u23 cup at the home grounds for cheap admission to allow kids and local fans to go.
Full FA cup replays can be reintroduced. Imagine if we somehow got to rd 5 and drew against a prem club at home but lost on pens rather than a day out (and huge money spinner) at an away game in a replay.
The League cup can then take the place of the JPT, with the winners at Wembley (possibly regional finals as well).
If the first round was league 2 automatically at home to a localish championship club that should help generate some monies for the teams at the bottom of the pyramid. League one clubs get a bye in rd 1, as long as numbers allow.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 29, 2017 12:56:54 GMT
I'll chip in for the fine How much is the fine? £3000
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Post by baggins on Mar 29, 2017 13:03:35 GMT
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Post by Marshy on Mar 29, 2017 13:06:35 GMT
What per game? If so that will cost us £9000 then?
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Post by Jomo on Mar 29, 2017 13:14:45 GMT
If the premier teams want less games why not kick them out of the "LEAGUE" cup. It only seems to be Arsenal under 23s who are interested in it until the semis anyway. They can have their own floodlit midweek u23 cup at the home grounds for cheap admission to allow kids and local fans to go. Full FA cup replays can be reintroduced. Imagine if we somehow got to rd 5 and drew against a prem club at home but lost on pens rather than a day out (and huge money spinner) at an away game in a replay. The League cup can then take the place of the JPT, with the winners at Wembley (possibly regional finals as well). If the first round was league 2 automatically at home to a localish championship club that should help generate some monies for the teams at the bottom of the pyramid. League one clubs get a bye in rd 1, as long as numbers allow. Completely agree with this suggestion. Nobody really gives two hoots about the League Cup or the Football League Trophy, so why not do away with them both and have a new League Cup containing only Football leagues clubs, senior ones at that! It may even raise more interest in the FA Cup, which has supposedly been waning in recent years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 13:23:39 GMT
The Wembley final has nothing to do with the new format, in any case. Despite the fact that the first thing the chief executive quotes re: the new format's success is the upcoming attendance on Sunday? Its doubled the total attendance for the competition. One club who have been to Wembley a few times already since it reopened and another who can hardly muster 8k at home anymore. Rovers didn't do a great job of the initial boycotts in my opinion, but its a shame to see the hard work of fans throughout the competiton being undone like this. Have to hope the clubs who didn't reach the final see sense and vote against the continuation of it in the summer.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 29, 2017 14:27:05 GMT
The Wembley final has nothing to do with the new format, in any case. Despite the fact that the first thing the chief executive quotes re: the new format's success is the upcoming attendance on Sunday? Its doubled the total attendance for the competition. One club who have been to Wembley a few times already since it reopened and another who can hardly muster 8k at home anymore. Rovers didn't do a great job of the initial boycotts in my opinion, but its a shame to see the hard work of fans throughout the competiton being undone like this. Have to hope the clubs who didn't reach the final see sense and vote against the continuation of it in the summer. Not sure what you mean by this. People going to Wembley isn't a vote for or against the format of the competition. It's just a trip to Wembley. The change of format affected the early rounds, so obviously the attendances for the earlier rounds can be taken into account. Can't really blame people for wanting a day out at Wembley, especially a team like Coventry who have a large fanbase but have been going through a sh** time. Just because someone's gonna lie about what your actions mean, shouldn't really be an argument for acting differently. Anyway, our attendance drop was broadly in line with the competition's average, so we did our bit. I think fans' feelings are clear enough, and Harvey is only making himself look bad with all his bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 15:23:10 GMT
Shaun Harvey is simply deluded and like too many CEOs who make a mistake, he is simply not big enough to admit it, just blows his own trumpet and pretends it's all wonderful. Just hope we and other clubs make our views unambiguously clear to the EFL not that they will listen.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Mar 30, 2017 5:16:10 GMT
The Wembley final has nothing to do with the new format, in any case. Despite the fact that the first thing the chief executive quotes re: the new format's success is the upcoming attendance on Sunday? Its doubled the total attendance for the competition. One club who have been to Wembley a few times already since it reopened and another who can hardly muster 8k at home anymore. Rovers didn't do a great job of the initial boycotts in my opinion, but its a shame to see the hard work of fans throughout the competiton being undone like this. Have to hope the clubs who didn't reach the final see sense and vote against the continuation of it in the summer. A trip to Wembley is still a trip to Wembley and and most fans wont turn the opportunity down to see their team play there whatever the circumstances. It would have been completely different if an U23 side had got there, or even better if two U23 sides had got there! Harvey is just using this to convince everyone it has been a success. I read a quote yesterday I think from the Cheltenham chairman who was happy with this format and was talking rubbish about how you wouldn't turn down the chance to play at Wembely. This was a stupid argument as the old format still gave you that chance! The best thing to do is keep boycotting the games, don't play first team players and hope that two U23 sides get to the final so this disaster of a competition really gets shown up.
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Post by tommym9 on Mar 30, 2017 6:12:03 GMT
Despite the fact that the first thing the chief executive quotes re: the new format's success is the upcoming attendance on Sunday? Its doubled the total attendance for the competition. One club who have been to Wembley a few times already since it reopened and another who can hardly muster 8k at home anymore. Rovers didn't do a great job of the initial boycotts in my opinion, but its a shame to see the hard work of fans throughout the competiton being undone like this. Have to hope the clubs who didn't reach the final see sense and vote against the continuation of it in the summer. A trip to Wembley is still a trip to Wembley and and most fans wont turn the opportunity down to see their team play there whatever the circumstances. It would have been completely different if an U23 side had got there, or even better if two U23 sides had got there! Harvey is just using this to convince everyone it has been a success. I read a quote yesterday I think from the Cheltenham chairman who was happy with this format and was talking rubbish about how you wouldn't turn down the chance to play at Wembely. This was a stupid argument as the old format still gave you that chance! The best thing to do is keep boycotting the games, don't play first team players and hope that two U23 sides get to the final so this disaster of a competition really gets shown up. I boycotted and donated the money I would have spent on tickets to the FFSC so the club didn't miss out. I would have boycotted Wembley too if we had got there for the reason that Sean Harvey couldn't call it a success if the final was well attended like it is now. Unfortunately fans wanting a day out at Wembley (and I don't blame them) are giving him ammo to force this in as permanent change. We can only hope chairmen vote against the changes that were trialled this year. P.s SH voted against this trial
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Post by Marshy on Mar 30, 2017 6:25:58 GMT
A trip to Wembley is still a trip to Wembley and and most fans wont turn the opportunity down to see their team play there whatever the circumstances. It would have been completely different if an U23 side had got there, or even better if two U23 sides had got there! Harvey is just using this to convince everyone it has been a success. I read a quote yesterday I think from the Cheltenham chairman who was happy with this format and was talking rubbish about how you wouldn't turn down the chance to play at Wembely. This was a stupid argument as the old format still gave you that chance! The best thing to do is keep boycotting the games, don't play first team players and hope that two U23 sides get to the final so this disaster of a competition really gets shown up. I boycotted and donated the money I would have spent on tickets to the FFSC so the club didn't miss out. I would have boycotted Wembley too if we had got there for the reason that Sean Harvey couldn't call it a success if the final was well attended like it is now. Unfortunately fans wanting a day out at Wembley (and I don't blame them) are giving him ammo to force this in as permanent change. We can only hope chairmen vote against the changes that were trialled this year. P.s SH voted against this trial Its a shame that 2 well supported sides have got to the final. Accrington and a southern minnow would have been great (I can't think of 1 at the mo!) Let's hope that common sense prevails and this farce is ended.
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Post by Squiffy on Mar 30, 2017 7:24:28 GMT
They won't listen to the fans. It's only money that talks. Our best hope is that Checkatrade have experienced enough adverse publicity to not want to sponsor it again next year and that it puts others off from doing so. No sponsor, no competition. However they say there's no such thing as bad publicity, as demonstrated by this post, as I just searched for their website to check that there aren't any hyphens in Checkatrade (as I know what the grammar police are like on here) so they got one more hit that they wouldn't have got otherwise. Doh!
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Post by Qatar Gas on Mar 30, 2017 7:32:06 GMT
I boycotted and donated the money I would have spent on tickets to the FFSC so the club didn't miss out. I would have boycotted Wembley too if we had got there for the reason that Sean Harvey couldn't call it a success if the final was well attended like it is now. Unfortunately fans wanting a day out at Wembley (and I don't blame them) are giving him ammo to force this in as permanent change. We can only hope chairmen vote against the changes that were trialled this year. P.s SH voted against this trial Its a shame that 2 well supported sides have got to the final. Accrington and a southern minnow would have been great (I can't think of 1 at the mo!) Let's hope that common sense prevails and this farce is ended. That's why I has hoping that one if not two academy sides made the final with only a few thousand in attendance. Harvey still would have tried to justify it as a success mind by saying how it would have been a great day out and valuable experience for the academy players!
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