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Post by torontogaz on Apr 22, 2017 17:34:46 GMT
Come on, losing a 20 goal a season striker, in form, at christmas, folllowed by a load of drawn games in which we dominated possession.... Taylor has been an abject failure for them thusfar so the only thing the move accomplished on a footballing basis is to hinder us, rather than enhancing their team. He is a jammy sod as he was supposed to be the saviour to score goals for them.....but he's done almost nothing and still gets championship football next year, off of the back of tammy Abraham. He'll be given time, forever, by them to get himself up to this level. That signing must be seen to work, so eventually he'll probably do well for them. They want to make him their hero who shat on us to score for them, and they will make that happen.... All I can say is, that this episode has rekindled my outright conviction that there is something which runs through that club eternally that screams "bunch of wankers". Stadium burning, defacing war memorials, chasing players...and now, even when they are trying pull off this "we're a respectably club" bullshit, they are allegedly working underhand with agents to screw us and take our talent - it's not a stadium burning, but it comes from the same place. Even with money, it just shows class or character cannot be bought. it's just a more sophisticated version of the watered up trash that stands on their terrace chucking coins. Agreed 100%, plus they left it long enough that he could not be replaced.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 17:35:24 GMT
Answer is 10. Ellis 5 Gaffers 4 Easter 1 James 0 Not nearly enough, unfortunately. Sad thing is, Taylor would have scored at least that himself. You are confusing scoring with missing.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 22, 2017 17:46:51 GMT
But if we invested the money from Taylor into a new striker we would be in the play off's now. The rest of the team and it's positions are pretty solid. And once in the play off's you'll never know..
But we never and it's got me thinking why ??
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Post by wiaww on Apr 22, 2017 17:46:58 GMT
Taylor would have scored the goals to get us in the play offs. You know it's true. Where in the table were we when Taylor left for City? I'm honestly not sure but we were all agreed that we were losing games because of our frailties at the back and that was rectified with the recruitment of Lumley and Sweeney. We've looked a good side since January but Taylor would have scored vital goals had he been here and while that's a bitter pill to swallow it's the truth.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Apr 22, 2017 17:48:47 GMT
But if we invested the money from Taylor into a new striker we would be in the play off's now. The rest of the team and it's positions are pretty solid. And once in the play off's you'll never know.. But we never and it's got me thinking why ?? Hard to invest said money when it happened so late in the window and I can't imagine there's many 20 goal a season strikers around with such a low release clause.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 17:53:49 GMT
But if we invested the money from Taylor into a new striker we would be in the play off's now. The rest of the team and it's positions are pretty solid. And once in the play off's you'll never know.. But we never and it's got me thinking why ?? And who is to say that a new striker signed at such a late stage would have been any good?
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 22, 2017 18:00:25 GMT
Most players we signed for fee's over £200:000 have been good. The only exception being micky Evans / Scott Jones the other 90% have been success stories... So that's my evidence ..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 18:05:04 GMT
"You can't compare to having Sweeney, Lumley AND Taylor" So when someone says Taylors goals would have got this team in to the playoffs then, what!? We should have forgot about Lumley & Sweeney then? How does that work? AGAIN!! Just saying, "since he's left us we have averaged more points, and more goals." One man does not make a team. Just saying........... Honestly, this is being trivial but my logic is impeccable sir! If you say that "Taylor's goals would have got us to playoffs" as I agree with: This is saying that had we had Taylor for the remainder, we would have scored more goals. This scenario invovles everything being the same as per things panned out with the loans, but with the bonus of having Taylor. The point addressed is nothing to do with Sweeney or Lumley - you made it about Sweeney and Lumley because you compared points and goals pre and post Taylor leaving. Hence Sweeney and Lumley's involvement in this discussion have been to counter argue the point that Taylor leaving resulted in better performances. So yes, if we had our loans AND Taylor I have no doubt we would have got a few extra points for the playoffs. On the wider point I agree that one man is not the be all and end all etc, I am just saying that points and goals pre and post Taylor is an invalid methodology for demonstrating that his leaving had positive impact as there are other variables. The points and goals would have been even higher with him, in my view. This really is not important but sadly I am a petty, petty man. "If you say that "Taylor's goals would have got us to playoffs" as I agree with:" I didn't say that!!! Don't put words in my posts!" So your first 3 sentences are worthless. My point still stands. We average more points, and more goals without Taylor, than we do with him. Who's to say with Taylor, Sweeney and Lumley we'd have more points? No one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 18:26:54 GMT
Honestly, this is being trivial but my logic is impeccable sir! If you say that "Taylor's goals would have got us to playoffs" as I agree with: This is saying that had we had Taylor for the remainder, we would have scored more goals. This scenario invovles everything being the same as per things panned out with the loans, but with the bonus of having Taylor. The point addressed is nothing to do with Sweeney or Lumley - you made it about Sweeney and Lumley because you compared points and goals pre and post Taylor leaving. Hence Sweeney and Lumley's involvement in this discussion have been to counter argue the point that Taylor leaving resulted in better performances. So yes, if we had our loans AND Taylor I have no doubt we would have got a few extra points for the playoffs. On the wider point I agree that one man is not the be all and end all etc, I am just saying that points and goals pre and post Taylor is an invalid methodology for demonstrating that his leaving had positive impact as there are other variables. The points and goals would have been even higher with him, in my view. This really is not important but sadly I am a petty, petty man. "If you say that "Taylor's goals would have got us to playoffs" as I agree with:" I didn't say that!!! Don't put words in my posts!" Calm down. I did nothing of the sort. I was not saying "you" as in "you", I was saying it in the context of "If you believe in x, here is the supporting evidence.
For example, if you drive to the shops when it's raining, you tend to stay drier than walking. This doesn't mean I actually think you are currently driving to the shops in the rain.
So your first 3 sentences are worthless. Even if I did think that you agreed with this, it doesn't invalidate the argument. So, I could say "you believe the earth is spherical". Even if you believed the earth was flat, the earth would still be spherical. Hence there is no logic to dismissing a point because it was incorrectly ascribed to you.My point still stands. We average more points, and more goals without Taylor, than we do with him. No it doesn't. I have already explained that to you. Just to be helpful, here's those "useless 3 sentences" which explain this:
This is saying that had we had Taylor for the remainder, we would have scored more goals. This scenario invovles everything being the same as per things panned out with the loans, but with the bonus of having Taylor.
The point addressed is nothing to do with Sweeney or Lumley - you made it about Sweeney and Lumley because you compared points and goals pre and post Taylor leaving. Hence Sweeney and Lumley's involvement in this discussion have been to counter argue the point that Taylor leaving resulted in better performances.
So yes, if we had our loans AND Taylor I have no doubt we would have got a few extra points for the playoffs.
Who's to say with Taylor, Sweeney and Lumley we'd have more points? No one. I am, that's the entire basis of this discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 18:36:00 GMT
But if we invested the money from Taylor into a new striker we would be in the play off's now. The rest of the team and it's positions are pretty solid. And once in the play off's you'll never know.. But we never and it's got me thinking why ?? And who is to say that a new striker signed at such a late stage would have been any good? You are right, he could have been crap but still scored more than 0 that James has managed
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Post by yategas78 on Apr 22, 2017 18:44:37 GMT
In fairness to DC the timing of the Judas departure screwed him right up no time to react exactly why the sh**e came in for him
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 18:45:40 GMT
I think the failure to get a replacement for Taylor cost us a championship play off spot. I believe a 'target man' would have got us the extra points for 6th place. It raises the question why the board or D.C decided against it ??. However: a top 10 finish without our top scorer and less than £100 : 000 spent on the entire squad is remarkable. The summer on and off the pitch is now the critical decision. Will it be the MEM and a small budget for the next 5 years. Or UWE start and a top 6 budget ?? Losing Taylor was imo the 2nd most deciding factor for me. 1st would have been the failure to get a decent permanent keeper in the summer (which summer is up for debate)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 19:00:53 GMT
In fairness to DC the timing of the Judas departure screwed him right up no time to react exactly why the sh**e came in for him You have to have contingency plans in place when you have a 20 goal striker on a well rumoured £300k release clause. I was always certain Taylor would leave in the summer when I knew he has a clause, didn't think he would go 'there' but I guess it was all pre arranged seeing as though nobody else came in for him. Just makes me hate the teds and Lansdown more than ever, and will make beating them soon in the league that much sweeter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 19:30:44 GMT
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Post by aghast on Apr 22, 2017 19:35:00 GMT
I feel gutted by today's result, despite it being a good season overall.
We had no chance at all three, two and one week(s) ago, but a win today with everyone else doing badly would have made the Millwall game a real cracker. Although probably Saaafend would have won despite our 4-0 demolition of Millwall.
Now it's just a meaningless game. We came so close to an exciting last day, just like last year.
Oh well.
If we beat Millwall next week, I'm sure they will understand our pain and leave in an orderly manner.
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Post by Blackbeard on Apr 22, 2017 19:45:03 GMT
I feel gutted by today's result, despite it being a good season overall. We had no chance at all three, two and one week(s) ago, but a win today with everyone else doing badly would have made the Millwall game a real cracker. Although probably Saaafend would have won despite our 4-0 demolition of Millwall. Now it's just a meaningless game. We came so close to an exciting last day, just like last year. Oh well. If we beat Millwall next week, I'm sure they will understand our pain and leave in an orderly manner. I'm sure they won't 😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 20:10:38 GMT
Thats ok, we can use the footage to get their price reduced when we sign both in the summer
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Post by yategas78 on Apr 23, 2017 6:22:49 GMT
When we do Millwall next week and stop their play off dreams it's gonna be very pleasant post match with applause ringing around the MEM with no fans trying to get on the pitch we will be able to show appreciation for DC's and the teams efforts
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 6:46:29 GMT
When we do Millwall next week and stop their play off dreams it's gonna be very pleasant post match with applause ringing around the MEM with no fans trying to get on the pitch we will be able to show appreciation for DC's and the teams efforts If Jamesy scores, we're on the pitch!
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2017 6:59:02 GMT
So did Bob Harris! How can you say Harrison's pen was poor, when the goalie moved a yard off his line then got down quick, any player going for the same corner would have struggled to score. The pen should have been ordered to be retaken by the ref.
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