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Post by warehamgas on May 17, 2017 15:56:39 GMT
All of the names I would be disappointed with. At strikers alone, if we are to bring in 3, I would like 1 experienced head and 2 "up and coming" players. Bury have done well with Beckford, I would loved it if we had someone in the same mold and 2 strikers from league 1 and 2 who had decent records in front of goal. Interesting on the Bury forum most like the thought of Vaughan and Beckford being their front two and also Dawson from Scunthorpe signing. But there are some who are very worried about where the money is coming from. Last season they had money problems and I think there is still an outstanding winding up order to be negotiated but I may be wrong. Reading what they say on there, the club almost wait to pay outstanding bills until they get some kind of court order. They say they still owe their kit supplier for the past season. Whatever it is it doesn't sound ethical, sustainable or right and some on their forum are questioning how the club is run. My point is, yes it all sounds great but I'm glad we as a club seem (I don't know for sure of course) to be a bit more responsible about finances and not paying wages that we can't afford. Bury had gates below 4000 I think so it all seems a bit questionable as to the sustainability of doing that. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 18:46:31 GMT
better than the Luke James Record. True. Just don't think we should go down the road of handing out 2 year contracts to players who are on a downward trajectory.
It's easy to get carried away with 'big' names this time of year.
Mark Wally Walters was on a downward trajectory, he didnt do too badly for 2 years.
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Post by alasitsgas on May 17, 2017 19:52:29 GMT
Back Jack at least he seems more interested in Rovers than the last bloke (being polite).
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 20:42:04 GMT
True. Just don't think we should go down the road of handing out 2 year contracts to players who are on a downward trajectory.
It's easy to get carried away with 'big' names this time of year.
Mark Wally Walters was on a downward trajectory, he didnt do too badly for 2 years. Exception not the rule.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 21:43:31 GMT
Mark Wally Walters was on a downward trajectory, he didnt do too badly for 2 years. Exception not the rule. Sometimes even if they are on a downward spiral they still may be able to offer something in the short term. You could also say Chris Lines was on his way down as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 21:55:40 GMT
If we all keeping guessing and throwing names into a hat were bound to get one right eventually, including the EP? Yes but there is a difference between a wild guess and an educated guess. Not DC type signings tbh. I could understand being linked with players on the way up from a lower league, young strikers with potential but not players on the way down. Except lines,easter and lawrence
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Post by philbemmygas on May 18, 2017 6:49:24 GMT
Yes but there is a difference between a wild guess and an educated guess. Not DC type signings tbh. I could understand being linked with players on the way up from a lower league, young strikers with potential but not players on the way down. Except lines,easter and lawrence Every team needs a blend of youth and experience; I counter your Lawrence who was a disappointment (but played a vital role in that team) with Monkhouse. DC will acquire players he knows/hopes will fit into his team structure, I for one am backing his judgement again this season - UTG
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 18, 2017 6:58:27 GMT
Yes but there is a difference between a wild guess and an educated guess. Not DC type signings tbh. I could understand being linked with players on the way up from a lower league, young strikers with potential but not players on the way down. Except lines,easter and lawrence All of which were from a higher level and 3 out of how many?! There are 5 players here and the majority are players on the decline.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 7:20:37 GMT
I dont think anyone is saying older and bigger names from a higher league should be on the top of the shopping list, but they should not be ruled out just because they are past their peak.
If one comes in and improves the team, even for just one season, then it would have been worth it.
You have to remember the Championship is a massive step up so many who can no longer do a job there may well do in L1, Lambert for example.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 18, 2017 7:31:25 GMT
I dont think anyone is saying older and bigger names from a higher league should be on the top of the shopping list, but they should not be ruled out just because they are past their peak. If one comes in and improves the team, even for just one season, then it would have been worth it. You have to remember the Championship is a massive step up so many who can no longer do a job there may well do in L1, Lambert for example. Froma higher level maybe not so bad but 3 of these 5 mentioned were released by clubs below us in league one!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 8:01:11 GMT
Sometimes even if they are on a downward spiral they still may be able to offer something in the short term. You could also say Chris Lines was on his way down as well. Lines? He joined us in the conference didn't he? That's hardly comparable within the debate you are having.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 8:07:34 GMT
Yes but there is a difference between a wild guess and an educated guess. Not DC type signings tbh. I could understand being linked with players on the way up from a lower league, young strikers with potential but not players on the way down. Except lines,easter and lawrence None of which were big names. Other than lines, nobody seen the others coming either. All 3 were potentially excellent signings for us based on our position, our squad depth, affordability(assumption) and the situation with the player at that time. Easter and Lines dropped down from higher and progressed with us also so hardly 1 season wonders like your typical fallen hero..
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 9:57:14 GMT
Sometimes even if they are on a downward spiral they still may be able to offer something in the short term. You could also say Chris Lines was on his way down as well. You could. But clearly Chris Lines was brought in to do a short term job and was overqualified to play at Conference level. Short term yes, but Bury have offered a 3 year contract to a player in their 30's and 2 years to Beckford. Likely to be on sizeable wages and no resale value. Remember the days when we signed the likes of Matt Gill, 30, on a three year contract? Absolute madness looking back on it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 9:59:10 GMT
Except lines,easter and lawrence All of which were from a higher level and 3 out of how many?! There are 5 players here and the majority are players on the decline. I just mean i dont think the manager cares about their age or if their on the way up or down. I dont want us to sign any of the players mentioned,maynard and ebanks-blake have had serious injuries in recent years as well. I take your point that the players mentioned are already failing at our level as opposed to being unwanted by a championship club.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 10:49:02 GMT
Sometimes even if they are on a downward spiral they still may be able to offer something in the short term. You could also say Chris Lines was on his way down as well. You could. But clearly Chris Lines was brought in to do a short term job and was overqualified to play at Conference level. Short term yes, but Bury have offered a 3 year contract to a player in their 30's and 2 years to Beckford. Likely to be on sizeable wages and no resale value. Remember the days when we signed the likes of Matt Gill, 30, on a three year contract? Absolute madness looking back on it.
Absolutely, I don't necessarily mean we should sign players like that but hopefully we will see more intent/ambition this summer after a year of consolidation.
Last summer Charlton signed Ricky Holmes, one of the best L2 players the season before last for only £125k. IMO We would have reached the play off at least if he played for us this season. That's the fine margin between getting where you want to be and missing out.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on May 18, 2017 12:13:35 GMT
You could. But clearly Chris Lines was brought in to do a short term job and was overqualified to play at Conference level. Short term yes, but Bury have offered a 3 year contract to a player in their 30's and 2 years to Beckford. Likely to be on sizeable wages and no resale value. Remember the days when we signed the likes of Matt Gill, 30, on a three year contract? Absolute madness looking back on it.
Absolutely, I don't necessarily mean we should sign players like that but hopefully we will see more intent/ambition this summer after a year of consolidation.
Last summer Charlton signed Ricky Holmes, one of the best L2 players the season before last for only £125k. IMO We would have reached the play off at least if he played for us this season. That's the fine margin between getting where you want to be and missing out.
Yep, that's good ambition from Charlton, a club that 3 seasons ago finished 62 places above us in the pyramid and yet were below us this season.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 12:21:26 GMT
Absolutely, I don't necessarily mean we should sign players like that but hopefully we will see more intent/ambition this summer after a year of consolidation.
Last summer Charlton signed Ricky Holmes, one of the best L2 players the season before last for only £125k. IMO We would have reached the play off at least if he played for us this season. That's the fine margin between getting where you want to be and missing out.
Yep, that's good ambition from Charlton, a club that 3 seasons ago finished 62 places above us in the pyramid and yet were below us this season.
I don't know about any underlying issues with Charlton as a club, they obviously have a few, but I suspect Ricky Holmes isn't one of them.
As a side note both Posh and Charlton had poor seasons but I fully expect both of them to be challenging next season.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 18, 2017 12:49:43 GMT
You could. But clearly Chris Lines was brought in to do a short term job and was overqualified to play at Conference level. Short term yes, but Bury have offered a 3 year contract to a player in their 30's and 2 years to Beckford. Likely to be on sizeable wages and no resale value. Remember the days when we signed the likes of Matt Gill, 30, on a three year contract? Absolute madness looking back on it.
Absolutely, I don't necessarily mean we should sign players like that but hopefully we will see more intent/ambition this summer after a year of consolidation.
Last summer Charlton signed Ricky Holmes, one of the best L2 players the season before last for only £125k. IMO We would have reached the play off at least if he played for us this season. That's the fine margin between getting where you want to be and missing out.
Perhaps DC/Wael felt Championship football next season was a season too soon, we just don't know the full facts to be able to draw judgement.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 12:53:50 GMT
Absolutely, I don't necessarily mean we should sign players like that but hopefully we will see more intent/ambition this summer after a year of consolidation.
Last summer Charlton signed Ricky Holmes, one of the best L2 players the season before last for only £125k. IMO We would have reached the play off at least if he played for us this season. That's the fine margin between getting where you want to be and missing out.
Perhaps DC/Wael felt Championship football next season was a season too soon, we just don't know the full facts to be able to draw judgement.
Maybe, of course we'll never know as that doesn't sell many ST's does it!
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