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Post by TugPhase on Nov 17, 2020 15:55:35 GMT
Not sure how I would feel about Tis. Like many, from the outside looking in he seemed to do a great job with Exeter. However looking at it now, in his twelve years there he won 15 more than he lost or just over one a year.. fairly unremarkable. He got them promoted to L1, but also got relegated with them. At MK he got promoted from L2 but then again we know how he got on the following season in L1. There is something I like about him, but I think he is a good L2 manager. I think we need to think bigger. We currently have a good squad and are an established L1 team. We need a good L1 manager. We've shown real ambition in our player recruitment recently, now we need to do the same for a manager. Can you name one good L1 manager who's out of work/would consider joining us? Reflecting on this, why do they need to be out of a job? Why can't we go and nab another team's manager - plenty of others do it. I'm not saying we would necessarily want them (ahem Barton), but could we go and try and pinch the manager of Donny, Fleetwood, Accrington, Crewe, Lincoln etc. etc. If a big L1 team came and did this to us we wouldn't be surprised so why wouldn't we do it? And if we could, any that appeal?
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 17, 2020 11:55:02 GMT
The facts are that he has has four seasons in L1: Scraped survival Eight place Relegated Sacked after getting one point from first nine games Not a glowing record. We are an established, mid-table L1 team with ambitions to push on - just don't think Tisdale's CV ticks that box. He has lots of attributes for a team, just not us. Put it this way, I imagine Tis wouldn't believe his luck if he got offered the job, which says something. Thing is the context is missing here. For starters, he got Exeter to the league in the first place which was punching above their weight for the budget, size of the club, and considering the fact they’d started off in the Conference having almost gone bust. Those stats are the equivalent to us making it into the Championship and hanging on for a few seasons. I don’t think we’d begrudge out next manager achieving that (assuming we don’t have new facilities to take us to the next level metaphorically) I don't think Exeter were punching above their weight by getting into the football league, they had only been out of it for a few years! And I don't think they were performing miracles by getting into and surviving in L1 either (they nearly came up again last year, for example). I'm sure there are, or have been, much smaller teams at this level doing better than they did. And MK are certainly a club more than capable of competing at this level. As Pirate says I think I am going in loops here. I just don't think it would be a great appointment, especially with our current squad. I feel like there is an opportunity to really push on and I want someone that has done well at this level. But if it is him he will get my full support.
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 17, 2020 11:13:09 GMT
I wouldn't describe us as a basket case though. We lose money as most clubs do. Wigan are a basket case - they could do with Tis. And yeah he got them to 8th, but it was a one off. You could counter that with his performance with MK Dons in League 1. I don't want a manager to focus on balancing the books, that's for our board to do. I want the manager focused on the pitch and pushing towards the top end of League 1. Before the recent capitalisation it was announced we were £24 million in debt and losing £3.4m a year, about as close as a "basket case" as you can get. As far as Tisdale's time at MK Dons is concerned, he went in and stabilised a club that was in a downward spiral, going from the Championship to League Two in three seasons, and then got them promoted back to League One at the first attempt. He was sacked the following season without being given a chance to turn things around, with his two main strikers (Rhys Healey/Joe Mason) and back up striker (Sam Nombe) out injured. What a signing Healey turned out to be by the way, bought for £200k and later sold for £1.1m. If we are a basket case, why are we signing the quality of players we are? That's the point that I am really making, we are investing with ambition on the pitch. Why wouldn't we try to do the same for the management? It just wouldn't make sense. I'm not saying we will get Paul Cook etc. but I would be disappointed if we weren't trying very hard. Look at Mansfield getting Clough... Back to Tis, there are always excuses, you could even make some for Garner. Shall we re-hire him and give him another chance? The facts are that he has has four seasons in L1: Scraped survival Eight place Relegated Sacked after getting one point from first nine games Not a glowing record. We are an established, mid-table L1 team with ambitions to push on - just don't think Tisdale's CV ticks that box. He has lots of attributes for a team, just not us. Put it this way, I imagine Tis wouldn't believe his luck if he got offered the job, which says something.
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 17, 2020 10:22:38 GMT
But we're not a financial basket case. So whilst that is a skill, it isn't one that we need. We're reasonably sound off the pitch. What we need is someone that can do the business on it. And yes, he took them to eight, once. That season was sandwiched between a season of scraping survival and relegation. Just hasn't done enough at L1 level, for me. If he is the man, he'll get my full support. I just think we should strive for better. We have been a financial basket case and continue to lose extraordinary amounts of money every year. Scraping survival for a club of Exeter's size is an achievement at this level, the fact he got them to 8th was remarkable. With his record of developing players I think he fits the mould of what we are looking for right now. I wouldn't describe us as a basket case though. We lose money as most clubs do. Wigan are a basket case - they could do with Tis. And yeah he got them to 8th, but it was a one off. You could counter that with his performance with MK Dons in League 1. I don't want a manager to focus on balancing the books, that's for our board to do. I want the manager focused on the pitch and pushing towards the top end of League 1.
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 17, 2020 10:01:28 GMT
Not sure how I would feel about Tis. Like many, from the outside looking in he seemed to do a great job with Exeter. However looking at it now, in his twelve years there he won 15 more than he lost or just over one a year.. fairly unremarkable. He got them promoted to L1, but also got relegated with them. At MK he got promoted from L2 but then again we know how he got on the following season in L1. There is something I like about him, but I think he is a good L2 manager. I think we need to think bigger. We currently have a good squad and are an established L1 team. We need a good L1 manager. We've shown real ambition in our player recruitment recently, now we need to do the same for a manager. Exeter were a basket case financially when he took over there and took them from the Conference to League One, finishing in eighth place at the conclusion of the 10/11 season – equalling the club's highest ever league finish. He also sold £7-8m million worth of players during his time at the club and rejected approaches from Swansea and Southampton to manage them. But we're not a financial basket case. So whilst that is a skill, it isn't one that we need. We're reasonably sound off the pitch. What we need is someone that can do the business on it. And yes, he took them to eight, once. That season was sandwiched between a season of scraping survival and relegation. Just hasn't done enough at L1 level, for me. If he is the man, he'll get my full support. I just think we should strive for better.
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 17, 2020 9:45:15 GMT
Not sure how I would feel about Tis. Like many, from the outside looking in he seemed to do a great job with Exeter. However looking at it now, in his twelve years there he won 15 more than he lost or just over one a year.. fairly unremarkable. He got them promoted to L1, but also got relegated with them. At MK he got promoted from L2 but then again we know how he got on the following season in L1. There is something I like about him, but I think he is a good L2 manager. I think we need to think bigger. We currently have a good squad and are an established L1 team. We need a good L1 manager. We've shown real ambition in our player recruitment recently, now we need to do the same for a manager. Can you name one good L1 manager who's out of work/would consider joining us? This comes to the point about ambition. We have signed some high-quality, proven league one players recently - Oztumer, Westbrooke, Ehmer et al. If we can attract them why shouldn't we be able to attract a similar pedigree manager? If anything having quality players already on board should increase our appeal further. So in answer to your question; Paul Cook.
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 17, 2020 8:50:07 GMT
Not sure how I would feel about Tis. Like many, from the outside looking in he seemed to do a great job with Exeter. However looking at it now, in his twelve years there he won 15 more than he lost or just over one a year.. fairly unremarkable. He got them promoted to L1, but also got relegated with them.
At MK he got promoted from L2 but then again we know how he got on the following season in L1. There is something I like about him, but I think he is a good L2 manager.
I think we need to think bigger. We currently have a good squad and are an established L1 team. We need a good L1 manager. We've shown real ambition in our player recruitment recently, now we need to do the same for a manager.
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 16, 2020 16:11:01 GMT
Would be quite pleased with Stendel. Heard that his football is very attacking mate and is one of the best coaches in the game for getting his team to Press. Any insight to him?? I've heard that he is very attack-minded and is one of the best around for getting his team to press.
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 15, 2020 13:26:31 GMT
I know it’s not popular anymore, but 1 game I would of liked to us just played a simple 4-4-2 because I believe we had the player perfect for that formation, especially for Hanlon and Daly to play up front together. I'd quite to see a classic 4-3-3 where we can utilise all our better players in their more natural positions. Something like: ---------- Jaakola --------- Hare Kilgour Ehmer Koiki ----------- Grant ---------- - Westbrooke - Oztumer - Nicholson - Hanlan -- Daly Just an example of course, I appreciate that specific midfield would need carrying a bit. I think a 'classic' 433 requires a lot more solidity in midfield than that. Oz is an attacking player. Westbrooke is marginally more box to box but far more effective in the offensive half. He's not someone you would trust to shield the back four. So that just leaves Grant, which is not enough. Look at Liverpool. Even though they dominate the ball and spend most of the time attacking, they still tend to have three midfielders who are great at the defensive side of things all playing in their midfield three.
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 14, 2020 18:26:23 GMT
Me too. I'm not disappointed, just expected a bit longer. Perhaps that means there is someone lined up?
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 7, 2020 14:24:13 GMT
The Beard really is a beautiful man. But the Gas will win 2-0. It's like seeing an ex and they look better than you remember them
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 30, 2020 16:30:31 GMT
I convinced Rovers know what they are doing. Not a sentence you get on here too often. To be fair, if you read it as it's written it sounds like they've had a few ciders and might not be talking complete sense, which may explain the improbable statement.
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 29, 2020 22:28:59 GMT
Shame I liked joe Dunne thought he was a decent bloke I liked him just for this...
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 29, 2020 16:23:04 GMT
I'd drop Zain and start Oztumer next game personally. I mentioned after the game that what really highlighted it to me was how good Honeyman was for Hull. He is the same style player as these two but looked far superior. Always wanting the ball, spinning and constantly playing dangerous, forward passes. I'm not against our two and think they will both be good players for us but they looked lower league compared to Honeyman on Tuesday. If anything, I think play them both. Take it to Rochdale...
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 28, 2020 14:29:44 GMT
this thread just shows what a bunch of arseholes are on here. Was always going to the case, people will pounce on first defeat. I think AF was just highlighting the irony in this post and one on the Coughlan thread.
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 28, 2020 9:48:47 GMT
Do people think he will be able to get another manager's job in the football league? After failing at cash-rich Mansfield in L2, it is surely unlikely, especially if he still limits himself geographically to 'near home'. How he must rue his decision to leave us... He still has a decent reputation as a fire fighter, he might get 3-4 month contracts to save teams. I thought you meant literally! To be fair if I'm in a burning building I would be reasonably happy with GC coming to rescue. Him or Sean Dyche, they would definitely get you to safety. Not sure I fancy BG so much in this scenario... Yeah fair shout though, especially if it is someone that he has a connection with e.g. Plymouth.
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 28, 2020 9:20:53 GMT
Do people think he will be able to get another manager's job in the football league? After failing at cash-rich Mansfield in L2, it is surely unlikely, especially if he still limits himself geographically to 'near home'. How he must rue his decision to leave us...
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 27, 2020 21:06:02 GMT
Poor defending for all three goals to be fair ... Hull took their chances Well but we made it very easy for them Tutonda was poor tonight and the third goal was just awful. No disgrace losing here to a well organised, gritty team with a bench who have the biggest mouths I have heard in a while. We are not a top six team by a long way and people on Here need to calm down and forget promotion and the bastard ridiculous bus that hopefully has failed its MOT after tonight. We are progressing though .. so enjoy that. We go again on Saturday ..... Agreed, thought they looked good. Honeyman was quality, hope Westbrooke/ Oztumer can get to that level
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 27, 2020 21:01:02 GMT
Hardly vitriol from anyone!? You just gee up with changes when you obviously struggling and looking ineffective. Takes a gutsy manager to make changes at status quo, what winners do. This forum full of people prepared to lose coz it Hull. Wouldn’t want that mob in trenches with me. Whereas people who jump at the opportunity to criticise their leaders are welcome in the trenches with you?
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 27, 2020 20:07:44 GMT
2-0!!!!!
Kidding, lost the video too
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