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Post by inee on Apr 28, 2018 15:08:29 GMT
I know you're the man that knows the stats etc lol. I know he went on loan to Salisbury, do you know how he got on? I can't recall reading much about him in the weekly round up of our loan players. If he struggled, maybe that was a deciding factor. DC probably still has close links there and we must have got feedback from them. He had loans at Salisbury (2 games, 0 goals), Mangotsfield United (8 games, 1 goal) and Farnborough (9 games, 1 goal). He also had a loan at Yate but I haven't got the stats for that. Perhaps those lack of goals was a deciding factor like you say. Cheers for the stats ,puts a slightly different slant on things ,several ways to look at it ,30 goal season for us and a dry spell elsewhere ,does that mean hargreaves has got the u23 squad moving the ball and feeding him hence lots of goals, is his dry spell because the loan teams dont feed him the ball enough. A while back i used to coach a youth side ,the behaviour of a lot of parents was nothing short of vile ,trying to relive their youth through the kids ,it's a common trait ,i've seen kids who were good but forced to play so never realised their full potential ,i've seen kids bollocked loudly in front of everyone because they did something wrong or wern't quick enough ,been threatened for leaving little johnny out of a game, it goes on and on. The kids probably gutted but these things happen especially when they get to the age group he was and are dropped ,the coaches must have seen something that limited his talent it's also not unusual for some to reach the max of their ability ,or hit a wall in themselves ,as for 1st team game time again dc probably saw something he din't like ,these days i think kids are not used to rejection . To me what the dad did is unforgivable for several reasons ,firstly to suggest the side is fixed etc is just wrong, to complain about the people who have trained him until now is also wrong, to complain about other players being worse is wrong as it will probably den't their confidence ,maybe he just reached his max. Lewis dealt with it in a totally grown up manor and his dad should look at his son with pride as he said ,shook the coaches hand and said i'll prove you wrong, good luck to the fella hope he does make it. Me i would have thanked the club for bringing my sons talents to the level they are ,like someone else said he did his son no favours ,parents rants have a habit of biting the kids on their arse later on
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Post by inee on Apr 28, 2018 14:42:48 GMT
Or maybe read the end part of the article ,or do you mean although he apologised and claims to have changed his views ,you still want to draw attention to him ,the complex thing here is that you are challenging his religious beliefs which highlights that diversity is a minefield in that hate laws cover both sides of that incident ,why was he removed because of his beliefs when they are supposed to be protected ,or is it those views can only be tolerated from certain religions. We could turn it on it's head and say here's a positive example of the acceptance of gays ,the guy made those comments but has now seen the light ,but then that wouldn't fit would it , rather than high light people can change it does the opposite. So how can people call for change and acceptance ,and yet when it appears ignore it ,it illustrates that far from those taking a look at themselves(which he appears to have done) ,the ones who need to take a look at themselves are the ones who preach tollerance as long as its their way The point I was making is that views like this are still held. Great that this bloke has changed his mind, but there are many that are yet to. The point about religious freedom vs other peoples rights isn't one I'm going to get into because we'll be here forever. yes some holds those views ,but in this instance was due to his religion ,i've said many as time many are uncomfortable with other choices of sexuality ,those won't or can't change ,who are we to say those are worse or better than everyone else, however you made the point that these views are still held ,we all know that was the bloke wrong yep hes a prick ,most will not read or digest the article but will solely focus on what he said . Yes many have yet to change their views ,some will some won't , you can't change everyone in one go ,so surely the focus should be on the fact that he appears to have changed ,it's no coincidence that the focus is always on the wrong ,whereas if you focus on the positive side some will change their views ,if you can see what i mean
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 14:51:14 GMT
Or maybe read the end part of the article ,or do you mean although he apologised and claims to have changed his views ,you still want to draw attention to him ,the complex thing here is that you are challenging his religious beliefs which highlights that diversity is a minefield in that hate laws cover both sides of that incident ,why was he removed because of his beliefs when they are supposed to be protected ,or is it those views can only be tolerated from certain religions. We could turn it on it's head and say here's a positive example of the acceptance of gays ,the guy made those comments but has now seen the light ,but then that wouldn't fit would it , rather than high light people can change it does the opposite. So how can people call for change and acceptance ,and yet when it appears ignore it ,it illustrates that far from those taking a look at themselves(which he appears to have done) ,the ones who need to take a look at themselves are the ones who preach tollerance as long as its their way
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 13:59:19 GMT
This thread has yet again descended into one huge facepalm. Really concerned with the rising anti-LGBT sentiment on this forum, over the last week particularly. I specifically think the moderators need to address some of the innuendo used (taking it certain ways and e45 cream for soreness etc). Any member of the LGBT community coming on here to read what people have to say would be mortified. Why on earth in 2018 can people still not be accommodating to all? If a section of the LGBT community would like to come together to attend matches with like minded people, in unity and comfort, how does that affect you? Same goes for those of you who had issues with the Bangla Bantams on another thread. I apologise unreservedly to any member of the LGBT reading this thread. Rant over. UTG interesting points but i didn't realise you spoke on behalf of every member of the lbgt community as that's a pretty bold claim, the question is why cant people just integrate rather than say oh look in gay ,i don't give a stuff about whose shagging who ,if someone want to chat on the terraces that's fine if they don't then f**k em ,not because they are gay or whatever ,just because they are miserable lady gardens. What i don't understand is you have offended no one on this thread so why do you feel the need to apologise for something you haven't done strange
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 13:43:28 GMT
I think what some people like about match days and football crowds is that its a bit like the old england they remember and loved. The one where there were just white british people mostly and homophobia was just the norm along with open racism in society in general. So when "kick it out" or "call it out" are pro-active in football those people feel threatened and try to come up with any number of contrived reasons why its actually a terrible idea. 2 But we all know the real reasons for there objections dont we? Disclaimer....this is a general observation as other posts of mine on similar subjects have been and is not aimed at any forum members in particular. 1 what i and others like about matchday is watching our team and having a good laugh with people regardless of anything 2 yup because people like yourself feel the need to draw everyone's attention to people who are different from yourself rather than let them get on with it ,i posted a link to a tv show that questions your claim about people not attending matches all it will achieve is people saying to others oh your groups over there go n join em ,rather than chewing the cud with them ,again people like yourself need to understand the difference between the word racism and religion ,until you and others can do that thing will remain the same
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 13:31:37 GMT
Interesting that a thread about diversity and welcoming all turns into a thread for jokes about being gay... perhaps a valid reason why LGBT+ people feel unwelcome attaching themselves to a football club. I volunteer for a suicide charity and it is amazing in what we call an enlightened so called educated society that people who don't fit the White English heterosexual standard (I am White English heterosexual) are subject to abuse and intolerance. Many young gay people still find it difficult to come out to friends, family, work colleagues etc. And I have spoken to a middle age man (can't provide details because of confidentiality but he wasn't Gas) and he has been a football fan for years and wouldn't dream of telling his fellow fans he is gay because they are the ones who tell jokes about gays, shout 'poof' and 'gayboy' at footballers as if it's an insult or something to be ashamed of. Perhaps some people are offended about others being gay and as some adamantly say above 'It's my right!!'. I've met plenty of bigoted people who shout about their rights in church, the workplace and on the terraces. I would be glad if the day would hasten when no one notices race, gender, sexual orientation and it wasn't a problem. But as can be seen above that day is a long way off yet.....this is what i've been saying in this and other threads ,integrate not segregate ,however some feel the need to make people stand out by creating groups ,and think if you have a different skin colour then you are of a different race when we eat shi t n pish the same , i just can't understand how putting labels on people and creating groups is the way forward, When it just tends to undo the work that been done already
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 10:56:06 GMT
just looked an a local food bank might take then, so am please that someone could get a use out of em
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 10:55:10 GMT
chers nobs that two fooking things burnt into my eyes now
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 10:44:20 GMT
I would rather give them to someone for free than a charity shop that's why i offered them here, what doesn't go will be used as rags We always give to Salvation Army. Nope they are a religious organisation
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 10:43:31 GMT
Hear Sainsbury’s are interested 😂 thanks for that gave me the bloody night sweats that did i woke up in total panic crying, my dream told me we were playing at wembly in orange sainsbury shirts ,had to bash me head into the wall a few times,take 1/2 dozen diazepam and a packet of the wife's Tramadol ,and i still can't shift that image
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 10:39:24 GMT
I’d rather watch rugby that those pussies in padding!!! F”ck off yanks!!! go to you tube and type americans watching rugby for the first time ,they mostly say the same thing ,do you remember the programme years back about bath going to play against a american football team they did a af game and a rugby game
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 10:33:26 GMT
Just to play devil's advocate, that kind of money could do a hell of a lot for the grassroots game It could but how much do you think will filter down to help the real yung uns develop ,or go to schools to fund better footballing facilities. It will more likely get lost on the way from top to bottom, sad really.
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 10:28:20 GMT
As the other diversity threads are locked i will put this here, some have muted that people with different skin colours are afraid to go to football, other myself included made the point that , they do but prefer the bigger teams. I detest the prem ,however i stumbled across a tv program last night which although is about prem teams is one of the best and amusing football programs available, have all ready set a tv link to it as it's something i will watch www.channel4.com/programmes/the-real-football-fan-show
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 10:19:58 GMT
I would rather give them to someone for free than a charity shop that's why i offered them here, what doesn't go will be used as rags
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 10:18:45 GMT
Come on hugo that's a pretty weak reason, we all know people who get beat up for no reason are you implying gays or lesbians(i thought that stereotyping went away years ago)are weak as the opposite is true ,so your trying to tell me that gays and lesbians in a group will not fight amongst themselves or will jump in on anyone who starts the world doesn't tick that way some will stand their ground other will not get involved same as everyone else,how do they know they are not welcome? more importantly who has said they are not welcome. nobody told me and many others they wern't welcome ,we just turn't up and go to know people. like someone else said if everyone starts a group there will be hundreds, which ends in less mixing. who told the gay or lesbian supporter who already attend our games that they were or wern't welcome Yeah, sure ok. Well done. You have all the reasons all neatly wrapped up. no but hold on pal ,your post was to me very off towards gays n lesbians ,you post suggested they were week and needed protection ,i merely pointed out that was an old stereotype ,go into any gay bar and start a fight you will soon see just how well they handle themselves ,have you any gays or lesbians in your family ,the point i'm trying to made is all the white middle class do gooders are drawing attention to people and causing segregation , i'm saying is the best way for people to not stand out and appear different is to just get on with it. someone mentioned that there are not many players who are out ,why on earth is it so important for people to demand out themselves ,maybe just maybe they want to be left alone and seen as a footballer . This sudden need for groups just reminds me of that vile prick peter thatchell and his group outrage ,for those who don't remember them ,they went around outing people , whether they wanted outing or not. Which then gave them unwanted attention often in a negative way. they were no longer bob the cabinet minister ,they then became bob the gay cabinet minister and a target for those who hated them.
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Post by inee on Apr 26, 2018 21:25:37 GMT
Come on hugo that's a pretty weak reason, we all know people who get beat up for no reason are you implying gays or lesbians(i thought that stereotyping went away years ago)are weak as the opposite is true ,so your trying to tell me that gays and lesbians in a group will not fight amongst themselves or will jump in on anyone who starts the world doesn't tick that way some will stand their ground other will not get involved same as everyone else,how do they know they are not welcome? more importantly who has said they are not welcome. nobody told me and many others they wern't welcome ,we just turn't up and go to know people. like someone else said if everyone starts a group there will be hundreds, which ends in less mixing.
who told the gay or lesbian supporter who already attend our games that they were or wern't welcome
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Post by inee on Apr 26, 2018 20:35:56 GMT
Why on Earth do these people feel the need to have their own group if everyone with a different way of life he'd one there would be hundreds Just forget about different groups and just be supporters full stop whoever you are Perhaps because they are being marginalised and discriminated against? In an ideal world they could forget about being part of a different group and feel welcome as a supporter but the mindless actions of a small few in society sadly prevent it. This means they can't "just be supporters". The aim of these groups is to make supporters feel more inclusive and supported. Nothing wrong in that surely? the thing is people miss the point with these groups ,why do they fell the need to announce to everyone oh look at me why are they special are they so vain or looking for a response from some who don't agree with their life style, rather than just get on with it as others have said ,before you lot start chucking the latest phobic buzz words around,just because someone doesn't agree with their life style choice it doesn't mean anything ,it simply means they don't agree. So what wrong with just getting on with people , tbh i don't need to know what your orientation is i will speak to anyone and everyone.
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Post by inee on Apr 24, 2018 22:25:35 GMT
yup sad indeed ,lets hope once his family is ok ,he gets success in whatever job he does
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Post by inee on Apr 24, 2018 22:22:08 GMT
The issue around ethnicity or race is an emotive one ,on the one hand people are advocating separate groups then getting really defensive over it defining people into separate races by skin colour. Others like myself firmly believe if people want to attend they will and that despite skin colour we all belong to the human race yup one race ,and will never understand why people do it all they are doing is making one part of society stand out. Elderly and disabled groups no problem with them as they have specific issues they often deal with. Religious supporters groups good idea as it would keep people who subscribe to the big book of lies away from us Are you saying that those with a belief in God and the bible should be made a joke of and segregated then? You see it as a laugh by your emoji but change religious supporters to black people and how funny would it sound then? Again what is it with someones skin colour with you people is it so hard to understand that i see all colours as one race ,it fair makes i bleed purple pish every time people try to make a point by mentioning skin colour with religion. Religion was invented to keep weak minded fools in line ,religion has and is still destroying the world so yup stand in the corner ,may i ask what religion you follow.
Diversity causes more issues than it solves as it makes people stand out as different, so instead of religion can we send the deaf gingers to the corner instead
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Post by inee on Apr 24, 2018 18:06:10 GMT
There is a lot of focus on here from a certain few individuals about groups based around ethnic lines. This seems to be the issue for some people. The Community Trust are talking about support for all underrepresented groups in football. This means ensuring all our fans feel safe and can support the Gas. This means making sure the elderly, women and girls, the disabled, lgbt are all respected and represented. I see very little talk from these certain individuals arguing that they should not allow an elderly supporters group, a women's supporters group, a disabled supporters group, an lgbt group. Why is that? These are all underrepresented groups just the same as those based around someone's race or religion. The issue around ethnicity or race is an emotive one ,on the one hand people are advocating separate groups then getting really defensive over it defining people into separate races by skin colour. Others like myself firmly believe if people want to attend they will and that despite skin colour we all belong to the human race yup one race ,and will never understand why people do it all they are doing is making one part of society stand out. Elderly and disabled groups no problem with them as they have specific issues they often deal with. Religious supporters groups good idea as it would keep people who subscribe to the big book of lies away from us
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