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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 8, 2017 21:54:34 GMT
This has to be mind games with UWE, and they've gone too far because redeveloping the Mem is laughable.Would be cheaper, better and bring more returns to pay through the teeth for UWE. Unless we're going to knock all the stands down and put up super tents. The he terrifying thing is though is that he is serious, although his views on redeveloping could be new tents.
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Post by gaelgas on Aug 8, 2017 21:55:45 GMT
Other than that a 100,000 seater floating pitch in the Severn with a park and ride new improved Aust ferry. What about when the tide goes out? Not thought that through. Yep, that's the problem with that plan for sure...
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Post by gaelgas on Aug 8, 2017 21:58:41 GMT
Just what we need .. the next three years of Gloucester Road protest groups, radicals, lesbians, do gooders, and total pain in the arses.. whining about lighting, car parking, noise and anything else that might earn them attention and headlines. The carousel is being spun yet again .... buckle up everybody and grab a sick bag. What have lesbians got to do with anything you plank? You're right, they are, in the main, irrelevant.
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Post by pirate49 on Aug 8, 2017 21:59:04 GMT
I hope that the other consortium has kept in touch with one another. Best to have a Plan B!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 21:59:16 GMT
If we're staying at the Mem, then it's pretty certain that DC will be off.
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Post by speedwellgas on Aug 8, 2017 22:00:33 GMT
Well I don't suppose we will hear anything until 2018 now.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 8, 2017 22:01:13 GMT
If we're staying at the Mem, then it's pretty certain that DC will be off. Yup. I think so too now. Making a big mistake here unfortunately.
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Post by gaelgas on Aug 8, 2017 22:03:01 GMT
Forget the Premier League talk. We've never been there and almost certainly never will, just like most other clubs, so we'll never need a stadium like that. All I want to see is a nice ground suitable for the Championship, which the 2007 plans would have delivered. How they're going to pay for it, and how it will subsequently repay the investment, I have no idea, but I'm sure the owners must have some idea, or they wouldn't announce this, would they? I just hope that a redevelopment does mean a rebuild and not more tents, paint and canopies, which would leave the club heading back to League 2 or worse. Like most other clubs? When in fact more than half the current 92 league clubs have been in the Premiership/Premier League, 49 in total.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 22:03:11 GMT
We now know that if they're not looking for a new site for a stadium, then they've got no money for one.
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Post by gasincider on Aug 8, 2017 22:05:34 GMT
The owners have to come clean and clearly state why UWE has failed. Otherwise it could lead to a lot of unrest. We deserve better than being kept in the dark and fed sh*t.
We've had this for 50 years. Time now for honesty.
Can't help but think this is down to a lack of funding.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 8, 2017 22:06:30 GMT
We now know that if they're not looking for a new site for a stadium, then they've got no money for one. Where was that ever implied? They have a team of people that have built 12 stadiums looking at it. Just because the old mem redevelopment wasn't suitable it doesn't mean a second bunch of great minds can't come up with something that can work. UWE is dead. Long live the mem. We will have to be a bit more patient I think.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 8, 2017 22:11:34 GMT
We now know that if they're not looking for a new site for a stadium, then they've got no money for one. Where was that ever implied? They have a team of people that have built 12 stadiums looking at it. Just because the old mem redevelopment wasn't suitable it doesn't mean a second bunch of great minds can't come up with something that can work. UWE is dead. Long live the mem. We will have to be a bit more patient I think. So these experts couldn't get the UWE to reply to an email but can build a world class stadium at the Mem? Wael contradicted himself by saying DS decided not to proceed with the UWE, but then says the UWE never responded to their email, so which was it? Why does Plan B have to be the Mem why don't we consider all the options. How can we be "nomads" with a 125 year lease?
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Post by francegas on Aug 8, 2017 22:12:23 GMT
Listening to that interview does not fill me with confidence. Lots of umms and errs. Wael does not come across as his usual confident self. Really hope he is still committed to Rovers.
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Post by lmgas on Aug 8, 2017 22:12:31 GMT
It just doesn't stack up to walk away from the uwe deal if they were as close as wael says, fair enough if you were making a small purchase, but the money spent in this! There's that saying, cutting off your nose to spite your face, this seems to be cutting off your head!
If uwe were difficult to deal with I fear the shock and the result of battling with the council and the nimbys - the 18 months with uwe will feel like a walk in the park!
IF he delivers it then fair play to him, but I hope he's got a lot of patience, time and money!
Shame Keith Brookman didn't ask him about the intended capacity.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 8, 2017 22:13:48 GMT
Waited all through that interview for the obvious question....... What sort of stadium do you envisage being built and what capacity ? I noticed we didn't hear "world class stadium " that was bandied about previously.
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Post by womble on Aug 8, 2017 22:19:24 GMT
Where was that ever implied? They have a team of people that have built 12 stadiums looking at it. Just because the old mem redevelopment wasn't suitable it doesn't mean a second bunch of great minds can't come up with something that can work. UWE is dead. Long live the mem. We will have to be a bit more patient I think. So these experts couldn't get the UWE to reply to an email but can build a world class stadium at the Mem? Wael contradicted himself by saying DS decided not to proceed with the UWE, but then says the UWE never responded to their email, so which was it? Why does Plan B have to be the Mem why don't we consider all the options. How can we be "nomads" with a 125 year lease? How did he contradict himself? UWE are told that July 31st is the time limit for an agreement. UWE fail to respond by that date, so DS decide they are not proceeding. Within the City of Bristol boundary there are no options. City tried to get round that by building on green belt - that didn't go well.
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Post by lmgas on Aug 8, 2017 22:20:02 GMT
Wael saying they'd of needed to revist planning permission for the uwe was interesting, had they completely reworked the thing as well? presumably so, which makes it even stranger!
Despite what he says I do wonder if they are playing a game in the hope of getting uwe to move on whatever the big unknown issue is.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 8, 2017 22:29:04 GMT
Wael saying they'd of needed to revist planning permission for the uwe was interesting, had they completely reworked the thing as well? presumably so, which makes it even stranger! Despite what he says I do wonder if they are playing a game in the hope of getting uwe to move on whatever the big unknown issue is. If we did then the August cut off date becomes totally irrelevant, there were so many contradictions in that interview it was a shocker. Why is the UWE definitely dead, one a week or so won't make that much difference if the UWE now approached DS to say the HoT was agree? How can can we be waiting for pp at The Colony without the application being shown on the S Glos website? But why lumber the club with more multi million debts anyway before the Mem is redeveloped or at least pp obtained?
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 8, 2017 22:30:27 GMT
Where was that ever implied? They have a team of people that have built 12 stadiums looking at it. Just because the old mem redevelopment wasn't suitable it doesn't mean a second bunch of great minds can't come up with something that can work. UWE is dead. Long live the mem. We will have to be a bit more patient I think. So these experts couldn't get the UWE to reply to an email but can build a world class stadium at the Mem? Wael contradicted himself by saying DS decided not to proceed with the UWE, but then says the UWE never responded to their email, so which was it? Why does Plan B have to be the Mem why don't we consider all the options. How can we be "nomads" with a 125 year lease? How can you get another party to reply to an email....that's just a joke picking statement. I don't want to point out the bleedin obvious here but with our own land we can plan and build what we want in our own boundaries so long as it's approved. We don't have to muck about waiting for another party to come to the table who were commercially up for all they could get. And rightly so, its their land. DS set the deadline. UWE didn't respond. DS held off the statement hoping to get them back on board, UWE still didn't respond. DS pulled the plug. UWE dead. Where is the contradiction? Seems perfectly logical set of steps to follow to me. Which is exactly how Wael explained it, or did I miss something... We will be nomads as we will forever be tenents. That's the bit you fail to grasp. The club will live long after we are 6 foot under. It's not about the here and now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 22:30:55 GMT
Rather evasive and unconvincing on a number of points but surprising upfront on others:
Clear that the charge on the Mem. is to protect the family from risk (you never know what can happen).
Plays down the difference between loan funding (which creates debt) and investment.
Seemed to accept there are unpaid bills but points out there can be a number of reasons for that.
No clear commitment to ongoing funding, unconvincing on that point.
The concept introduced of a nomad club when you have a 120 year lease is unconvincing.
Overall an interview that does not provide the assurances I had hoped for.
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