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Post by womble on Aug 8, 2017 22:33:19 GMT
Wael saying they'd of needed to revist planning permission for the uwe was interesting, had they completely reworked the thing as well? presumably so, which makes it even stranger! Despite what he says I do wonder if they are playing a game in the hope of getting uwe to move on whatever the big unknown issue is. If we did then the August cut off date becomes totally irrelevant, there were so many contradictions in that interview it was a shocker. Why is the UWE definitely dead, one a week or so won't make that much difference if the UWE now approached DS to say the HoT was agree? How can can we be waiting for pp at The Colony without the application being shown on the S Glos website? But why lumber the club with more multi million debts anyway before the Mem is redeveloped or at least pp obtained? If the planning permission has been submitted for The Colony, then it has to be verified by SG planners (checked to see all document, payments etc have been included), before it appears on their website.
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 8, 2017 22:33:34 GMT
I don't think I can ever recall feeling so downbeat after a 4-1 win, after listening to Wael's interview.
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Post by wiaww on Aug 8, 2017 22:36:03 GMT
What have lesbians got to do with anything you plank? well last time we submitted plans to redevelop the mem they protested against a grass in favour of carpet instead. Hurr hurr hurr. Side splittingly funny you parquet prick.
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Post by wiaww on Aug 8, 2017 22:37:04 GMT
What have lesbians got to do with anything you plank? You're right, they are, in the main, irrelevant. Edgy as f**k aren't you?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Aug 8, 2017 22:41:10 GMT
It just doesn't stack up to walk away from the uwe deal if they were as close as wael says, fair enough if you were making a small purchase, but the money spent in this! There's that saying, cutting off your nose to spite your face, this seems to be cutting off your head! If uwe were difficult to deal with I fear the shock and the result of battling with the council and the nimbys - the 18 months with uwe will feel like a walk in the park! IF he delivers it then fair play to him, but I hope he's got a lot of patience, time and money! Shame Keith Brookman didn't ask him about the intended capacity. Keith Brookman did a fair job in the main, he asked most of the awkward questions including the main things that have been debated on here. It's pretty clear that Wael is clued up on all we have been saying. In the first part of the interview I felt that UWE was still possible but clearly it's not and it seems that the Mem redevelopment has been their plan A for while. It does seem ridiculous that he suggests they were so close to agreeing with UWE but they kept going back to points they thought they'd agreed and that it is only for that reason that they pulled out. No other reason then? It's no wonder people will think it's because they don't have the funds. If they don't, they don't, same as the last owners didn't it's just that that's not what they have said or are saying now yet nothing else really makes sense. In replying to the question about the length of time that going through the planning process will take to redevelop the Mem, it was interesting that he made the point that even if agreement was reached with UWE we still would have needed to reapply for planning. That was never mentioned before and why would that be I wonder? Anyway so here we go again ,another brand new plan,and I guess we have no choice but to back it and hope it's something that genuinely will move us to another level and that we can be proud of. However the worry I have after seeing so many of these in the past is it will never become reality. Honeymoon over for me and I guess loads of others. It's actions that matter now not words.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 22:41:56 GMT
Wael saying they'd of needed to revist planning permission for the uwe was interesting, had they completely reworked the thing as well? presumably so, which makes it even stranger! Despite what he says I do wonder if they are playing a game in the hope of getting uwe to move on whatever the big unknown issue is. No, I can't see it, if it were brinkmanship you would leave UWE with a route to make compromises, for example, Wael could have said if UWE can assure us progress on outstanding issues can be made in the next few week then we would talk again but we need their agreement to a number of key points first. UWE stadium is a dead parrot... 'Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now'.
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Post by lmgas on Aug 8, 2017 22:42:22 GMT
One positive I hope is that Geoff Twentyman will hopefully put to him some of these other issues in his Saturday interview. In fairness I thought Keith Brookman asked more than I thought he might, but he is interviewing his boss, and I imagine all the questions were planned beforehand so that the answers could be too.
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Post by madgas on Aug 8, 2017 22:49:38 GMT
Happy with that.
Move on. Very specific that the stadium-team does not change. A team that has built 12 stadiums.
Tonight- there were not many of us. Having to drive out to the arse end town on a Tuesday, I believe there would of been less.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 22:50:41 GMT
Waited all through that interview for the obvious question....... What sort of stadium do you envisage being built and what capacity ? I noticed we didn't hear "world class stadium " that was bandied about previously. Unless we got to the premier league 15k capacity is all thats needed so that hardly an issue imo
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Aug 8, 2017 22:52:27 GMT
well last time we submitted plans to redevelop the mem they protested against a grass in favour of carpet instead. Hurr hurr hurr. Side splittingly funny you parquet prick. haha you mad bro
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 22:54:57 GMT
I thought the interview was fine and clear. Looking forward to a 15k all seater mem,why not?
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Post by yattongas on Aug 8, 2017 22:55:33 GMT
Waited all through that interview for the obvious question....... What sort of stadium do you envisage being built and what capacity ? I noticed we didn't hear "world class stadium " that was bandied about previously. Unless we got to the premier league 15k capacity is all thats needed so that hardly an issue imo Yes I'm sure 15k will be ample if we get to the championship, are in 7th place with 10 games to go and have City at home. Ps you could swap City for the rest of the division. What utter nonsense .
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 8, 2017 22:59:03 GMT
We now know that if they're not looking for a new site for a stadium, then they've got no money for one. It'll cost more to redevelop The Mem than build a brand new one from scratch.
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Post by wiaww on Aug 8, 2017 23:02:11 GMT
Hurr hurr hurr. Side splittingly funny you parquet prick. haha you mad bro Mad that I have that I have to share a football club with pathetic throwbacks like you, yes bro.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 8, 2017 23:03:16 GMT
Where was that ever implied? They have a team of people that have built 12 stadiums looking at it. Just because the old mem redevelopment wasn't suitable it doesn't mean a second bunch of great minds can't come up with something that can work. UWE is dead. Long live the mem. We will have to be a bit more patient I think. So these experts couldn't get the UWE to reply to an email but can build a world class stadium at the Mem? Wael contradicted himself by saying DS decided not to proceed with the UWE, but then says the UWE never responded to their email, so which was it? Why does Plan B have to be the Mem why don't we consider all the options. How can we be "nomads" with a 125 year lease? How did he contradict himself? In layman's term's Wael told them to f**k themselves because they weren't playing ball. Rovers would just of technically been tenant's yet again
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 23:05:39 GMT
Unless we got to the premier league 15k capacity is all thats needed so that hardly an issue imo Yes I'm sure 15k will be ample if we get to the championship, are in 7th place with 10 games to go and have City at home. Ps you could swap City for the rest of the division. What utter nonsense . Theres no evidence to support that though. We had 2 promotions and a play-off push in league 1 to average 9k! If we won the championship i reckon we would average about 13k at best,sure the wembley bunch would go at the end of the season for the glory. IF we struggled after a promotion to the championship we would average no more than 8k imo.
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Post by madgas on Aug 8, 2017 23:12:11 GMT
Rather evasive and unconvincing on a number of points but surprising upfront on others: Clear that the charge on the Mem. is to protect the family from risk (you never know what can happen). I think this is fair enough. Whilst I love Bristol Rovers- if I was "fortunate" enough to be able to invest I would put insurance in place.
Plays down the difference between loan funding (which creates debt) and investment. BOTH CREATE DEBT! This is a point that is lost amongst fans. The difference is that a loan "HAS" to be paid back. If we do not pay back the loan Bristol Rovers would have to sell the land (this land is not owned by Bristol Rovers). However, if the investment is not 'pay back' we're in the S.H.1.T. anyway. It means we are totally reliant on the owners putting money into the club. Wael and Hamer have said before it is about making a club that is sustainable. We could be, we need to be. The difference is trivial.
Seemed to accept there are unpaid bills but points out there can be a number of reasons for that. Biggest mystery, of the piece. I've heard a couple rumours that I believe could be close to the truth and if they are right- it's nothing to worry about.
No clear commitment to ongoing funding, unconvincing on that point. Did he not say we're building a new training ground?The concept introduced of a nomad club when you have a 120 year lease is unconvincing. Fair point, but I think he meant more to hint at the restrictions of leasehold. Something that he was clearly unsure about from the start.Overall an interview that does not provide the assurances I had hoped for. We ask for him to speak. He has. The questions were fair (bare in mind the other dude is employed by BRFC). The bit about team that have made 12 stadiums is good. It appears the team is not changing- hence we're not 'jumping to the cheap option.' We're moving to better the option.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 8, 2017 23:12:51 GMT
Yes I'm sure 15k will be ample if we get to the championship, are in 7th place with 10 games to go and have City at home. Ps you could swap City for the rest of the division. What utter nonsense . Theres no evidence to support that though. We had 2 promotions and a play-off push in league 1 to average 9k! If we won the championship i reckon we would average about 13k at best,sure the wembley bunch would go at the end of the season for the glory. IF we struggled after a promotion to the championship we would average no more than 8k imo. In a terrible ground. This arguments been done already. We were always better supported than the likes of Brighton, Hull, Wigan, Reading, Swansea, Cardiff, even clubs like Plymouth who have done up Home Park, the reason they are better supported now is simple, they've got far better facilities. If we had a decent ground we'd get far more through the turnstiles. We're no different to any other club.
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Aug 8, 2017 23:15:23 GMT
Mad that I have that I have to share a football club with pathetic throwbacks like you, yes bro. Aww sorry snowflake, if I knew a bit of light hearted humour in these slightly drab times was gonna [annoy you] then I would have thought twice. What a melt. [I've edited this coz you're obviously being deliberately, provocatively misogynistic just to show you can be, and it's (notionally) a family forum, etc. I don't like editing people's posts, and if you have a problem with it, then PM me, or complain to another Mod. Thanks. -AF]
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Post by yattongas on Aug 8, 2017 23:15:36 GMT
Yes I'm sure 15k will be ample if we get to the championship, are in 7th place with 10 games to go and have City at home. Ps you could swap City for the rest of the division. What utter nonsense . Theres no evidence to support that though. We had 2 promotions and a play-off push in league 1 to average 9k! If we won the championship i reckon we would average about 13k at best,sure the wembley bunch would go at the end of the season for the glory. IF we struggled after a promotion to the championship we would average no more than 8k imo. We've got a home game against *whoever fc * , we're near the top of the league. It's made all ticket .so weeks before you have to be organised to sort your ticket out. There's no leaving it to the day to see what the weathers like , no ringing round a few casual gas mates saying " hey fancy watching the Rovers tomorrow ? It's a big game and should be a good crowd " theres no chance of getting a seat if that's what you want . I agree if we struggled we might struggle for crowds but if that's all we are hoping for or expecting then fine. If and when we go up I'd expect us to want to compete. If we do well 15k would not be enough.
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