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Post by midlandgas213 on Aug 30, 2017 14:33:15 GMT
In my view 66 of the finest gasheads made the trip so don't knock them they saw a great victory
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 14:33:48 GMT
hahaha, scandalous to dilute the competition by having english u23 teams in it, but by all means dilute it by having Irish teams in it so we can all get diluted having a 2 day jolly in Dublin. Makes perfect sense now #prayforcorbyn At least they'd be first teams, new clubs for people to watch, worked incredibly well and was popular when used for the Scottish Challenge Cup. Yeah course they would. Guaranteed.
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Post by meader on Aug 30, 2017 14:34:17 GMT
I cant really believe all this! This is insane and bloody stupid. 11 pages and nonsense, just because 66 people went to a football game to support their team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 14:36:04 GMT
You called me a scab because i chose to vote in a democratic election for Labour,that says it all for me. That my friend is a mistake, I take that back, if you thought that. I was following the let down part of his post but I can see where you get it. Sorry for that buddy. Please check the post, I never used the term Scab, I never would. Fair enough, just got back from a funeral and a bit sensitive, i don't usually take much notice. UTG.
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 30, 2017 14:39:32 GMT
That my friend is a mistake, I take that back, if you thought that. I was following the let down part of his post but I can see where you get it. Sorry for that buddy. Please check the post, I never used the term Scab, I never would. Fair enough, just got back from a funeral and a bit sensitive, i don't usually take much notice. UTG. Sorry to hear that. Take care and I hope your day gets better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 14:41:39 GMT
To an extent it did, they haven't gone through with the League 3 they had originally intended. With Harvey at the helm I have no trust in them to deliver the best deal for their member clubs. I've never been at the helm of anything .....
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 30, 2017 14:50:26 GMT
I cant really believe all this! This is insane and bloody stupid. 11 pages and nonsense, just because 66 people went to a football game to support their team. Don't you think that's a bit over-simplistic? Rovers voted against the change in format to allow U23 teams into the competition. It follows that fans who agree with the clubs' stance should't go to the games in the new format. It's not about which of us do or don't support the team, but rather that we fear the longer-term effects, and where this will lead. Having said all that, a lot of people's personal feelings for various other contributers have been very thinly veiled attacks.
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Post by tommym9 on Aug 30, 2017 14:58:12 GMT
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 30, 2017 15:02:15 GMT
To an extent it did, they haven't gone through with the League 3 they had originally intended. With Harvey at the helm I have no trust in them to deliver the best deal for their member clubs. Agree entirely. You get the feeling that Harvey would sell his own grandmother to further his own advantage. The FA commission that came up with the idea of League 3 (initially 10 Premier League B teams and 10 from what is now the National League) was made up of Greg Dyke, Roy Hodgson, Glenn Hoddle, Howard Wilkinson, Rio Ferdinand, Danny Mills, former Football League chairman Greg Clarke, PFA chairman Ritchie Humphreys, FA vice-chairman Roger Burden and Crewe Alexandra's former director of football Dario Gradi. Whilst there is some sanity in that group, there's not a lot. You only have to listen to the radio interviews that Dyke and Greg Clarke gave at the time and immediately after to see that they have no regard whatsoever for the current Associate Members. Whilst their aim of a better performing national side is valid, they have only looked at it through a prism of the Premier League clubs. Chewbacca - I'd disagree with your methods in starting this thread, but I'm pleased that up and down the country the majority of fans of L1 & 2 clubs understand what is at stake and have voted with their feet.
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 30, 2017 15:07:12 GMT
I'd only add that the shame is shared by those 2/3rds of L1 & L2 club chairmen that voted to sell their clubs souls and retain the trophy in the B team format. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39895497I'm pleased that Rovers publicly announced they voted against.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 15:13:46 GMT
To an extent it did, they haven't gone through with the League 3 they had originally intended. With Harvey at the helm I have no trust in them to deliver the best deal for their member clubs. Agree entirely. You get the feeling that Harvey would sell his own grandmother to further his own advantage. The FA commission that came up with the idea of League 3 (initially 10 Premier League B teams and 10 from what is now the National League) was made up of Greg Dyke, Roy Hodgson, Glenn Hoddle, Howard Wilkinson, Rio Ferdinand, Danny Mills, former Football League chairman Greg Clarke, PFA chairman Ritchie Humphreys, FA vice-chairman Roger Burden and Crewe Alexandra's former director of football Dario Gradi. Whilst there is some sanity in that group, there's not a lot. You only have to listen to the radio interviews that Dyke and Greg Clarke gave at the time and immediately after to see that they have no regard whatsoever for the current Associate Members. Whilst their aim of a better performing national side is valid, they have only looked at it through a prism of the Premier League clubs. Chewbacca - I'd disagree with your methods in starting this thread, but I'm pleased that up and down the country the majority of fans of L1 & 2 clubs understand what is at stake and have voted with their feet. Think you are over simplifying things this cup has never been blessed with good attendances until the last couple of rounds it has always been called the Mickley mouse cup so I feel your claim is invalid
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 15:16:14 GMT
I cant really believe all this! This is insane and bloody stupid. 11 pages and nonsense, just because 66 people went to a football game to support their team. Don't you think that's a bit over-simplistic? Rovers voted against the change in format to allow U23 teams into the competition. It follows that fans who agree with the clubs' stance should't go to the games in the new format. It's not about which of us do or don't support the team, but rather that we fear the longer-term effects, and where this will lead. Having said all that, a lot of people's personal feelings for various other contributers have been very thinly veiled attacks. So why not give the fans a chance to vote whether to back the boards decision or not.that is the democratic way and would stop the over reaction and name calling
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 30, 2017 15:28:19 GMT
Fair play and full respect to the 66 Gasheads who had the interest and the where with all to travel to Wycombe on a Tuesday night to watch the boys in blue and white in the checkatrade trophy; you pays your money you makes you choice, well done to each and everyone of you. You watch everybody jump on board if we make it to the later rounds. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 15:31:35 GMT
As our club voted against don't they speak for us, so the EFL know our stance. We as supporters of Bristol Rovers go to watch our team, they're in a competition that worries me for the future of lower league football though so i choose not to attend,but i enjoyed the commentary last night and felt happy for those gasheads in the ground. I agree with falsenumber9 and think he puts the case well, as for the OP just being controversial and insulting people has the opposite effect in my view.
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 30, 2017 15:39:04 GMT
Don't you think that's a bit over-simplistic? Rovers voted against the change in format to allow U23 teams into the competition. It follows that fans who agree with the clubs' stance should't go to the games in the new format. It's not about which of us do or don't support the team, but rather that we fear the longer-term effects, and where this will lead. Having said all that, a lot of people's personal feelings for various other contributers have been very thinly veiled attacks. So why not give the fans a chance to vote whether to back the boards decision or not.that is the democratic way and would stop the over reaction and name calling Oh you're right, totally. I think it's an emotive subject though, and people fearing the worst regarding B-Teams and whatnot (like myself, and seemingly Chewbacca) feel that they/we have to make our voices heard and make them heard loudly! The problem is, there were 40,000 at Wembley for Coventry - Oxford last season so it's been deemed a success by the fools running it. I don't think name-calling is the way to go personally, as you say it's allowing people to make their own decisions - but B-Teams in the FL is the big fat elephant in the room.
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 30, 2017 15:44:23 GMT
Agree entirely. You get the feeling that Harvey would sell his own grandmother to further his own advantage. The FA commission that came up with the idea of League 3 (initially 10 Premier League B teams and 10 from what is now the National League) was made up of Greg Dyke, Roy Hodgson, Glenn Hoddle, Howard Wilkinson, Rio Ferdinand, Danny Mills, former Football League chairman Greg Clarke, PFA chairman Ritchie Humphreys, FA vice-chairman Roger Burden and Crewe Alexandra's former director of football Dario Gradi. Whilst there is some sanity in that group, there's not a lot. You only have to listen to the radio interviews that Dyke and Greg Clarke gave at the time and immediately after to see that they have no regard whatsoever for the current Associate Members. Whilst their aim of a better performing national side is valid, they have only looked at it through a prism of the Premier League clubs. Chewbacca - I'd disagree with your methods in starting this thread, but I'm pleased that up and down the country the majority of fans of L1 & 2 clubs understand what is at stake and have voted with their feet. Think you are over simplifying things this cup has never been blessed with good attendances until the last couple of rounds it has always been called the Mickley mouse cup so I feel your claim is invalid Sorry Padstow, but I disagree. There is an undeniable reduction in attendances for the EFL trophy since the inclusion of B teams. I'll get the statistics if you insist, but this is about much more than this being a 'Mickey Mouse' competition. The lure of a Wembley final was understandably too much for Oxford and Coventry fans last season, but plenty of clubs recorded their lowest attendances since WW2 in the competition last year.
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 30, 2017 15:50:12 GMT
Don't you think that's a bit over-simplistic? Rovers voted against the change in format to allow U23 teams into the competition. It follows that fans who agree with the clubs' stance should't go to the games in the new format. It's not about which of us do or don't support the team, but rather that we fear the longer-term effects, and where this will lead. Having said all that, a lot of people's personal feelings for various other contributers have been very thinly veiled attacks. So why not give the fans a chance to vote whether to back the boards decision or not.that is the democratic way and would stop the over reaction and name calling If you read the link that tommym9 posted, you'll see that where fans were consulted, they were largely ignored: "The EFL has consistently disregarded the views of the game’s key stakeholder, the supporter. Where fan consultation was conducted, it was ignored. In two extreme cases, Carlisle United and Notts County ignored over 95% of their respondents. Why should any EFL fan ever take another club survey? For years supporters have been spoon-fed excuse after excuse for lower league clubs being required to bend to The Premier League and The English National Team. The Football League was forced to vote in EPPP, allowing youngsters to be stockpiled at Premier League clubs rather than gaining first team experience in The EFL. When those stockpiles become too large, the Premier League invades a competition it deliberately split away from in 1992 to retain a larger share of the money flowing through the sport."
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 30, 2017 16:12:59 GMT
Think you are over simplifying things this cup has never been blessed with good attendances until the last couple of rounds it has always been called the Mickley mouse cup so I feel your claim is invalid Sorry Padstow, but I disagree. There is an undeniable reduction in attendances for the EFL trophy since the inclusion of B teams. I'll get the statistics if you insist, but this is about much more than this being a 'Mickey Mouse' competition. The lure of a Wembley final was understandably too much for Oxford and Coventry fans last season, but plenty of clubs recorded their lowest attendances since WW2 in the competition last year. And that is why the EFL will walk all over the fans of the lower league clubs in this competition. Unless and until those who disagree with this format carry their boycott on to Wembley and the EFL see low crowds there, then the EFL will ignore fans and do what the **** they want. It's the only currency they understand. Of course, on the other hand, you could argue that with crowds like that at Wembley not enough fans have hard over views against this competition. In which case EFL have won. If so, I personally fear for what they will do next. Stopping promotion/relegation, feeder clubs. Who knows? Whatever the PL dictate for a few pennies. I do not trust Harvey or any of his cronies to do anything right for their members. This format is the thin end of a very thick wedge for them to decimate L1/L2.
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 30, 2017 16:14:23 GMT
This is the magic of today's society. Always some group or other out there trying to protect us from something they fear, something they don't like & using social media to try & whip up a frenzy. The issue is nothing to do with 66 fans going to Wycombe, it's the millions that pay TV subscriptions to watch games on Sky or BT, that have never been to a live game in their life. Now if you can get 50% to cancel their subscriptions then the PL won't be so powerful. Perhaps there should be more continuity between supporters & their clubs, to understand why a majority of clubs have voted in favour & what their views are on competing against PL U23 teams & whether they would vote for this in future. To me that's sensible democratic debate, something some name callers on here would know nothing about.
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 30, 2017 16:53:38 GMT
Sorry Padstow, but I disagree. There is an undeniable reduction in attendances for the EFL trophy since the inclusion of B teams. I'll get the statistics if you insist, but this is about much more than this being a 'Mickey Mouse' competition. The lure of a Wembley final was understandably too much for Oxford and Coventry fans last season, but plenty of clubs recorded their lowest attendances since WW2 in the competition last year. And that is why the EFL will walk all over the fans of the lower league clubs in this competition. Unless and until those who disagree with this format carry their boycott on to Wembley and the EFL see low crowds there, then the EFL will ignore fans and do what the **** they want. It's the only currency they understand. Of course, on the other hand, you could argue that with crowds like that at Wembley not enough fans have hard over views against this competition. In which case EFL have won. If so, I personally fear for what they will do next. Stopping promotion/relegation, feeder clubs. Who knows? Whatever the PL dictate for a few pennies. I do not trust Harvey or any of his cronies to do anything right for their members. This format is the thin end of a very thick wedge for them to decimate L1/L2. Agree - and it poses the real dilemma of what we would do if Rovers made it to the EFL Trophy final. To be consistent, I'd have to say I'd boycott, but that is a very hard decision to make. A compromise would be to go, but organise some very visible means of protest.
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