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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:17:30 GMT
Think you are over simplifying things this cup has never been blessed with good attendances until the last couple of rounds it has always been called the Mickley mouse cup so I feel your claim is invalid Sorry Padstow, but I disagree. There is an undeniable reduction in attendances for the EFL trophy since the inclusion of B teams. I'll get the statistics if you insist, but this is about much more than this being a 'Mickey Mouse' competition. The lure of a Wembley final was understandably too much for Oxford and Coventry fans last season, but plenty of clubs recorded their lowest attendances since WW2 in the competition last year. Ok get the figures and not just a sample total attendances in round 1 fixtures this year against total attendances last year and the one before and don't forget you arent the only one who can access the figures so no porkies
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Post by tommym9 on Aug 30, 2017 17:21:21 GMT
And that is why the EFL will walk all over the fans of the lower league clubs in this competition. Unless and until those who disagree with this format carry their boycott on to Wembley and the EFL see low crowds there, then the EFL will ignore fans and do what the **** they want. It's the only currency they understand. Of course, on the other hand, you could argue that with crowds like that at Wembley not enough fans have hard over views against this competition. In which case EFL have won. If so, I personally fear for what they will do next. Stopping promotion/relegation, feeder clubs. Who knows? Whatever the PL dictate for a few pennies. I do not trust Harvey or any of his cronies to do anything right for their members. This format is the thin end of a very thick wedge for them to decimate L1/L2. Agree - and it poses the real dilemma of what we would do if Rovers made it to the EFL Trophy final. To be consistent, I'd have to say I'd boycott, but that is a very hard decision to make. A compromise would be to go, but organise some very visible means of protest. I would boycott and persuade as many people as possible to do the same. The fact Oxford and Coventry took so many last year has been used as an indicator of the cups success by the EFL so I would say Wembley is the most important match to boycott. Having said that it is the most difficult to do so...
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 30, 2017 17:23:50 GMT
Sorry Padstow, but I disagree. There is an undeniable reduction in attendances for the EFL trophy since the inclusion of B teams. I'll get the statistics if you insist, but this is about much more than this being a 'Mickey Mouse' competition. The lure of a Wembley final was understandably too much for Oxford and Coventry fans last season, but plenty of clubs recorded their lowest attendances since WW2 in the competition last year. Ok get the figures and not just a sample total attendances in round 1 fixtures this year against total attendances last year and the one before and don't forget you arent the only one who can access the figures so no porkies No intention to deceive. I'll gather the stats and come back to you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:25:18 GMT
And that is why the EFL will walk all over the fans of the lower league clubs in this competition. Unless and until those who disagree with this format carry their boycott on to Wembley and the EFL see low crowds there, then the EFL will ignore fans and do what the **** they want. It's the only currency they understand. Of course, on the other hand, you could argue that with crowds like that at Wembley not enough fans have hard over views against this competition. In which case EFL have won. If so, I personally fear for what they will do next. Stopping promotion/relegation, feeder clubs. Who knows? Whatever the PL dictate for a few pennies. I do not trust Harvey or any of his cronies to do anything right for their members. This format is the thin end of a very thick wedge for them to decimate L1/L2. Agree - and it poses the real dilemma of what we would do if Rovers made it to the EFL Trophy final. To be consistent, I'd have to say I'd boycott, but that is a very hard decision to make. A compromise would be to go, but organise some very visible means of protest. And you know deep down you would be like all the others on here if rovers get to the final you will be in the queue for tickets and a protest would be the furthest thing from your mind. If you want to protest why not stand outside of the club shop trying to deter others from buying a ticket for the next game in this cup. Not only you but all the others who are against it to show the strength of your convictions
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:26:31 GMT
Ok get the figures and not just a sample total attendances in round 1 fixtures this year against total attendances last year and the one before and don't forget you arent the only one who can access the figures so no porkies No intention to deceive. I'll gather the stats and come back to you. So will I and we will compare notes
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 30, 2017 17:28:21 GMT
Agree - and it poses the real dilemma of what we would do if Rovers made it to the EFL Trophy final. To be consistent, I'd have to say I'd boycott, but that is a very hard decision to make. A compromise would be to go, but organise some very visible means of protest. And you know deep down you would be like all the others on here if rovers get to the final you will be in the queue for tickets and a protest would be the furthest thing from your mind. If you want to protest why not stand outside of the club shop trying to deter others from buying a ticket for the next game in this cup. Not only you but all the others who are against it to show the strength of your convictions Slow down mate. I already admitted the dilemma. In all likelihood, I would go if Rovers made it to the final, but wear something to protest and try to get as many of the other 30,000 to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:33:04 GMT
And you know deep down you would be like all the others on here if rovers get to the final you will be in the queue for tickets and a protest would be the furthest thing from your mind. If you want to protest why not stand outside of the club shop trying to deter others from buying a ticket for the next game in this cup. Not only you but all the others who are against it to show the strength of your convictions Slow down mate. I already admitted the dilemma. In all likelihood, I would go if Rovers made it to the final, but wear something to protest and try to get as many of the other 30,000 to do so. Why not follow my suggestion and protest outside the club shop before the next game and try to dissuade fans from buying tickets. It will be much more effective than a tee shirt or a few posts on a forum that very few fans bother with
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Post by Big Jock on Aug 30, 2017 17:41:12 GMT
I think you underestimate the numbers who will boycott this even if we get to latter stages. I wouldn't go to Wembley if we reached the final if you paid me. And i totally understand why many are banging on about it.
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Post by grayraydon on Aug 30, 2017 18:09:38 GMT
I think you underestimate the numbers who will boycott this even if we get to latter stages. I wouldn't go to Wembley if we reached the final if you paid me. And i totally understand why many are banging on about it. Same, I will never attend another game while under this format, either at wembley or anywhere else and think quite a lot if not all of the people I go home and away with would too.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Aug 30, 2017 18:10:34 GMT
I was offered a free box last year and refused it. I can guarantee you 100% I would refuse a free hospitality day out at Wembley to watch rovers in the final.
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Post by lympstonegas on Aug 30, 2017 18:13:41 GMT
Sorry but I'm not convinced there would be any noticible boycott if we made Wembley. Egged by wanting to take more than the sh** ever have I think any concern for the future would be overlooked in a heart beat for the here and now. And what if we were meeting the sh** in a later round like last time in the southern final, please don't try and tell me this game would be boycotted
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:26:22 GMT
imo the real scabs would be those who boycott earlier rounds but would still attend the final.
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 30, 2017 18:32:12 GMT
imo the real scabs would be those who boycott earlier rounds but would still attend the final. Probably right. You and those with greater conviction than me have made up my mind. I'd boycott a Wembley final until B teams were excluded from the competition. Thanks for making my mind up.
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 30, 2017 18:35:00 GMT
Sorry but I'm not convinced there would be any noticible boycott if we made Wembley. Egged by wanting to take more than the sh** ever have I think any concern for the future would be overlooked in a heart beat for the here and now. And what if we were meeting the sh** in a later round like last time in the southern final, please don't try and tell me this game would be boycotted ....umm........they're not in the competition.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:42:55 GMT
Pretty bizarre the suggestions that we'd take more to Wembley than we did for the biggest game in our history. Two previous appearances would make it quite easy for a lot to say no.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 30, 2017 18:44:30 GMT
Chewy 0 attendances would make no difference. There have been record low attendances for many clubs for games. If that doesn't speak volumes nothing will. The people in charge only care about sucking up to the Premier sides and any money they can get out of it. As for DC not taking it seriously we still played to win and gave valuable experience to some young talented players. If we didn't give a sh** why not put out even less experienced players and make a statement of intent by losing? You get fined for playing understrength sides in a tournament that includes Reading Under-23's.
The only reason this farce is still going on is because of the attendance in last years final and monetary payments from the Premier League. We can not effect those payments but by boycotting we can effect the attendances. Oxford and Coventry supporters let down the whole of football last year by attending and I'm hopeful this years final will be Middleborough U23's vs Reading U23's.
And the clubs voting for it again, that's the reason why it's happening in this format again. Fortunately we didn't vote for it but that's the wonder of democracy. We have to do what the majority agree! One thing it isn't and that's the fans' fault of any club, Rovers included so to call out them is unfair imo. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:51:48 GMT
I was massively against this competition and still am not a fan but must admit I am getting used to it! Now we have a development squad it's actually quite handy!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:53:18 GMT
I was massively against this competition and still am not a fan but must admit I am getting used to it! Now we have a develeopement squad it's actually quite handy! Agree with that, but doesnt mean anyone has to watch it though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:56:31 GMT
I was massively against this competition and still am not a fan but must admit I am getting used to it! Now we have a develeopement squad it's actually quite handy! Agree with that, but doesnt mean anyone has to watch it though. True but I def cannot ignore it like I did last season. I was actually looking forward to the highlights! Still will not attend like I don't reserve games but I think it might be growing on me subconsciously.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:57:40 GMT
The old format was rubbish and so is this but at least I can see a purpose to the competition now before it was a complete waste of time tbf.
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