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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 7:09:01 GMT
66 Rovers fans went to watch their team play. Normally we would take 800 - 1000 to Wycombe. How has the point not been made? What is the real difference between 66 fans and no fans? The difference is between 66 & 800 - 1000. If we'd taken 600 then the moaners would have more of an argument. And neither side was an U21/23 side so I still don't see the need for the animosity for this game. Boycott the game against West Ham if you like as that will make a better point. If we get crowds of 5000 for games without U21/23 but only 400 to watch the U21/23 then it will clearly highlight that fans don't want the U21/23 teams. And if we make it to the final there will still be at least 25000 gasheads buying tickets. Excellently put! I have season tickets at Rovers and West Ham, but have no intention whatsoever of watching the game on 24th October, despite the fact that there are many youngsters who West Ham fans feel should be given a first team chance ("Super Slav" seems to have a thing against youth, IMO.) so it would be interesting to see them in action. (BTW, I would ALWAYS want to see a Rovers win, no matter what level of competition.). I am certain that if Rovers get to Wembley, many of the people criticising the competition at the moment will go to watch the final. Respect to you. Can't be easy not to go given your interest in both clubs. Whilst it would be rubbish to miss out on a day at Wembley, I wouldn't attend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 7:10:51 GMT
On what basis is paying to watch a game in the EFL Trophy not supporting it? It's undeniable. I get the latter point but still firmly believe the power lies with supprters. Empty stadiums and flat atmospheres will help prevent the U23 teams from gaining the match day experience they seem to be craving. Clubs and football in general need a firm message that our support is not unconditional and fans won't accept a fundamental principle of the Football League quite literally being sold off. Those that chose to stay away and not engage with the competition are doing just that. Couldn't agree more , I've said it before , I find it hugely disrespectful to our players who have years of football league experience under there belts having to play against these snot nosed pampered primadonna under 23s who think they've already made it . Eventually it will be the norm and these little runts will be included in our domestic leagues and will make a mockery out of our beloved clubs. But the problem is unless the boycotts are done properly nothing will change , total boycott is the only way ! "Hugely disrespectful" - why don't you send this sort of statement to Hamer & DC? Why should we as a club support Premiership clubs and give their "snot nosed pampered primadoona under23s" game time - "little runts" or even big "runts". How "disrespectful" to allow our senior players to even mix with them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 7:13:25 GMT
Excellently put! I have season tickets at Rovers and West Ham, but have no intention whatsoever of watching the game on 24th October, despite the fact that there are many youngsters who West Ham fans feel should be given a first team chance ("Super Slav" seems to have a thing against youth, IMO.) so it would be interesting to see them in action. (BTW, I would ALWAYS want to see a Rovers win, no matter what level of competition.). I am certain that if Rovers get to Wembley, many of the people criticising the competition at the moment will go to watch the final. Respect to you. Can't be easy not to go given your interest in both clubs. Whilst it would be rubbish to miss out on a day at Wembley, I wouldn't attend. If you are a true gashead you would go
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 30, 2017 7:24:55 GMT
we went through this sh** last year on here ~ if fans want to go then they have every right and it is probably a sensible idea if those who don't like do not have a go at them.I don't know why the mods allow it. Shameful If we stopped fans having a go at other fans about stuff we wouldn't have any threads. Also, a lot of posters seem to feel strongly that as few threads as possible are deleted (as a matter of principle - although to be fair there's no real evidence of that, I might do a poll). I was tempted to move the thread very early on to General Chat, but couldn't really justify it as it was definitely focused on Rovers. Istm the people involved were enjoying themselves, insulting each other, talking sh**, and bringing in wider politics in a spurious sort of vaguely uninformed and ridiculous manner, which seems to be what the internet is for, probably.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 7:29:48 GMT
Couldn't agree more , I've said it before , I find it hugely disrespectful to our players who have years of football league experience under there belts having to play against these snot nosed pampered primadonna under 23s who think they've already made it . Eventually it will be the norm and these little runts will be included in our domestic leagues and will make a mockery out of our beloved clubs. But the problem is unless the boycotts are done properly nothing will change , total boycott is the only way ! Personally I don't agree with PL /Championship development teams being in this competition, but it's been agreed, for this season & next, so we have to play in it. The EFL has stated that this is not a back door ploy to allow PL B teams to play in the EFL. If you don't believe them, should the 'boycott' be aimed at all EFL games? There are some fans who choose not to get involved in 'politicals' & just want to follow their teams, in my view they shouldn't be called out or ridiculed, they are entitled to their opinion as everyone else. It works both ways mind, some of these little runts are playing in our first team at present & also played tonight. If you feel strongly that U23 teams should not join competitive lower league conpetition but choose to attend anyway then surely you're a turkey who's voting for Christmas? You're right, we have to play in it but fans don't need to support the competition. As with any trial, they'll be several criteria set to adjudge whether it's been a success. Engagement and attendance will inevitably be right up there so by choosing to stand up for the future of the Football League, fans are voting with their feet. The denial of back door ploy is a nonsense. They're testing the water and trying to normalise the presence of U23 teams. The fact that various chairman have gone against the wishes of their supporters and opted to take the Premier League payout is worrying. People are entitled to blindly follow their team and not consider the bigger picture. However they need to be aware that in doing so, are actively heightening the prospects of us facing the likes of Swansea U23, Stoke U23 and dare I say Bristol City U23 in a competitive league fixture in the future.
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 30, 2017 7:40:46 GMT
we went through this sh** last year on here ~ if fans want to go then they have every right and it is probably a sensible idea if those who don't like do not have a go at them.I don't know why the mods allow it. Shameful If we stopped fans having a go at other fans about stuff we wouldn't have any threads. Also, a lot of posters seem to feel strongly that as few threads as possible are deleted (as a matter of principle - although to be fair there's no real evidence of that, I might do a poll). I was tempted to move the thread very early on to General Chat, but couldn't really justify it as it was definitely focused on Rovers. Istm the people involved were enjoying themselves, insulting each other, talking sh**, and bringing in wider politics in a spurious sort of vaguely uninformed and ridiculous manner, which seems to be what the internet is for, probably. That should read, politics I ( Antonio ) do not agree with ? Sadly for you , you are a Mod and not a God.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 30, 2017 7:50:57 GMT
Personally I don't agree with PL /Championship development teams being in this competition, but it's been agreed, for this season & next, so we have to play in it. The EFL has stated that this is not a back door ploy to allow PL B teams to play in the EFL. If you don't believe them, should the 'boycott' be aimed at all EFL games? There are some fans who choose not to get involved in 'politicals' & just want to follow their teams, in my view they shouldn't be called out or ridiculed, they are entitled to their opinion as everyone else. It works both ways mind, some of these little runts are playing in our first team at present & also played tonight. If you feel strongly that U23 teams should not join competitive lower league conpetition but choose to attend anyway then surely you're a turkey who's voting for Christmas? You're right, we have to play in it but fans don't need to support the competition. As with any trial, they'll be several criteria set to adjudge whether it's been a success. Engagement and attendance will inevitably be right up there so by choosing to stand up for the future of the Football League, fans are voting with their feet. The denial of back door ploy is a nonsense. They're testing the water and trying to normalise the presence of U23 teams. The fact that various chairman have gone against the wishes of their supporters and opted to take the Premier League payout is worrying. People are entitled to blindly follow their team and not consider the bigger picture. However they need to be aware that in doing so, are actively heightening the prospects of us facing the likes of Swansea U23, Stoke U23 and dare I say Bristol City U23 in a competitive league fixture in the future.and would that me such a bad thing ? we could be one of those U23 Teams Your assumption is that we will always be "a Lower League Team" but very soon we will be in the Championship league ourselves
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2017 7:54:00 GMT
If you feel strongly that U23 teams should not join competitive lower league conpetition but choose to attend anyway then surely you're a turkey who's voting for Christmas? You're right, we have to play in it but fans don't need to support the competition. As with any trial, they'll be several criteria set to adjudge whether it's been a success. Engagement and attendance will inevitably be right up there so by choosing to stand up for the future of the Football League, fans are voting with their feet. The denial of back door ploy is a nonsense. They're testing the water and trying to normalise the presence of U23 teams. The fact that various chairman have gone against the wishes of their supporters and opted to take the Premier League payout is worrying. People are entitled to blindly follow their team and not consider the bigger picture. However they need to be aware that in doing so, are actively heightening the prospects of us facing the likes of Swansea U23, Stoke U23 and dare I say Bristol City U23 in a competitive league fixture in the future.and would that me such a bad thing ? we could be one of those U23 Teams Your assumption is that we will always be "a Lower League Team" but very soon we will be in the Championship league ourselves Always, remember where you're coming from. - Take That
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 30, 2017 7:54:45 GMT
To the poster.... respect. To us 66 respect. We saw a great game of football and some players that we haven't seen much of. Well worth the money and showed why the tournament is a worthwhile event to give your players who don't usually get a chance a chance. OK the format could be improved but at the end of the day it is a "majority" vote and that's what you have to go by. The best way to answer the FA is to stuff the u21 sides.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2017 7:54:52 GMT
Respect to you. Can't be easy not to go given your interest in both clubs. Whilst it would be rubbish to miss out on a day at Wembley, I wouldn't attend. If you are a true gashead you would go Are you unable to see the bigger picture?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 7:57:28 GMT
To the poster.... respect. To us 66 respect. We saw a great game of football and some players that we haven't seen much of. Well worth the money and showed why the tournament is a worthwhile event to give your players who don't usually get a chance a chance. OK the format could be improved but at the end of the day it is a "majority" vote and that's what you have to go by. The best way to answer the FA is to stuff the u21 sides. Are you planning to go to the West Ham game Steve?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 8:03:56 GMT
If you feel strongly that U23 teams should not join competitive lower league conpetition but choose to attend anyway then surely you're a turkey who's voting for Christmas? You're right, we have to play in it but fans don't need to support the competition. As with any trial, they'll be several criteria set to adjudge whether it's been a success. Engagement and attendance will inevitably be right up there so by choosing to stand up for the future of the Football League, fans are voting with their feet. The denial of back door ploy is a nonsense. They're testing the water and trying to normalise the presence of U23 teams. The fact that various chairman have gone against the wishes of their supporters and opted to take the Premier League payout is worrying. People are entitled to blindly follow their team and not consider the bigger picture. However they need to be aware that in doing so, are actively heightening the prospects of us facing the likes of Swansea U23, Stoke U23 and dare I say Bristol City U23 in a competitive league fixture in the future.and would that me such a bad thing ? we could be one of those U23 Teams Your assumption is that we will always be "a Lower League Team" but very soon we will be in the Championship league ourselves What would be the positives of facing the indignity of playing Bristol City U23 in a league fixture then Henbury?
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 30, 2017 8:04:37 GMT
Falsenumber 9- Yes and I hope we stuff them and I hope every under 21 team from the Leagues above are knocked out.
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Post by stapletongas on Aug 30, 2017 8:13:59 GMT
Meanwhile the immature OP is bragging about starting this whole argument. The subject matter has no real value to him, it's just a schoolboy prank and plenty have risen to it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 8:14:09 GMT
Falsenumber 9- Yes and I hope we stuff them and I hope every under 21 team from the Leagues above are knocked out. Does the idea of facing U23 teams on a Saturday at 3pm not bother you?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 30, 2017 8:25:23 GMT
Falsenumber 9- Yes and I hope we stuff them and I hope every under 21 team from the Leagues above are knocked out. Does the idea of facing U23 teams on a Saturday at 3pm not bother you? Whats in a name..........
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 8:26:11 GMT
Meanwhile the immature OP is bragging about starting this whole argument. The subject matter has no real value to him, it's just a schoolboy prank and plenty have risen to it. He's obviously desperate to garner kudos from the cool kids!
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 30, 2017 8:32:52 GMT
Meanwhile the immature OP is bragging about starting this whole argument. The subject matter has no real value to him, it's just a schoolboy prank and plenty have risen to it. Thing is I do feel strongly on this, since football has started the way clubs and the game have made money has been in attendances. If the attendances were 0 at every game it would have been stopped in its tracks. By attending these games you are culpable for any further B Team issues. By attending you endorse them. By attending you are putting the future of hundreds of clubs at risk. That's on you, not the folk that boycott, not the folk that call you scabs for going, you can't say you're "supporting" your club because you simply aren't. Just chuck the club a tenner if you're that upset about withholding money from them but don't put the future of the club and lower league football at risk by going to a poxy game that even our manager doesn't take seriously.
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Post by stapletongas on Aug 30, 2017 8:41:36 GMT
Meanwhile the immature OP is bragging about starting this whole argument. The subject matter has no real value to him, it's just a schoolboy prank and plenty have risen to it. Thing is I do feel strongly on this, since football has started the way clubs and the game have made money has been in attendances. If the attendances were 0 at every game it would have been stopped in its tracks. By attending these games you are culpable for any further B Team issues. By attending you endorse them. By attending you are putting the future of hundreds of clubs at risk. That's on you, not the folk that boycott, not the folk that call you scabs for going, you can't say you're "supporting" your club because you simply aren't. Just chuck the club a tenner if you're that upset about withholding money from them but don't put the future of the club and lower league football at risk by going to a poxy game that even our manager doesn't take seriously. Yeah right, I didn't come down with the last shower and can see right through you. Your tweet says it all. Posting this thread was one big joke to you, akin to letting a stink bomb off outside the headmasters office then running away smirking. You're not worth anyone's time of day.
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 30, 2017 8:44:34 GMT
Thing is I do feel strongly on this, since football has started the way clubs and the game have made money has been in attendances. If the attendances were 0 at every game it would have been stopped in its tracks. By attending these games you are culpable for any further B Team issues. By attending you endorse them. By attending you are putting the future of hundreds of clubs at risk. That's on you, not the folk that boycott, not the folk that call you scabs for going, you can't say you're "supporting" your club because you simply aren't. Just chuck the club a tenner if you're that upset about withholding money from them but don't put the future of the club and lower league football at risk by going to a poxy game that even our manager doesn't take seriously. Yeah right, I didn't come down with the last shower and can see right through you. Your tweet says it all. Posting this thread was one big joke to you, akin to letting a stink bomb off outside the headmasters office then running away smirking. You're not worth anyone's time of day. The folk that are attend are scabs, the fact they are rustled by being called scabs is fantastic, they should feel nothing but shame and I'm still here fronting up, no running away.
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