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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 10:53:58 GMT
it's not worth a lot as it's hearsay So my info is "hearsay" and as you are one of the experts on here yours is all fact, provided by Ex directors or friends or other club sources. My info, again for what it's worth comes from a high level UWE source. I So your UWE source says it's all their fault , how did Michael Cunnah figure in all this uwe shambles , just a serious question |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 1, 2017 10:55:44 GMT
The huge difference is that if Higgs had pulled out of a deal he had created and worked on for ten years on, saying it wasn't a very good deal then he would rightly be criticised. If Wael pulls out of a deal he didn't create and had spent a year trying to improve coz it wasn't a very good deal, saying, it's not a very good deal, then that's more reasonable, surely? Wael didn’t pull the plug on UWE, his big brother did. Maybe it was his Dad ? |
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Post by knowall on Nov 1, 2017 11:05:13 GMT
So what's the truth and what's your proof? Should not be too hard a question. Truth is we don't pay any of our bills , Court action instigated ,lack of a new stadium, loans from their own bank, debts mounted up significantly , the Colony is a pipe dream and so is a refurb of the Mem , way things are heading our owners will want out but let's just hope our only asset isn't stripped before then and they get outed before it's too late. Mark my words this isn't good . I'm usually a hopeless optimist regarding Rovers but my sources are extremely worried as now am I . No reason to doubt the sources as they only want what's best for the club . which glass do they reside at the bottom of? |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 1, 2017 11:18:26 GMT
Yeah, I'm with you. All the rumours seem like bullshit and all the information we get from the club seems like bullshit. What are we to do? Are the rumours bullshit ? I'm not so sure but let's be honest the club , their front man and their rhetoric aren't exactly disproving this are they? They've come out on at least one occasion when the whole Holtbygate saga was going on. Do you really expect them to respond to every rumour? |
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Post by LJG on Nov 1, 2017 11:30:47 GMT
But my point was I didn't say anything important or news breaking. I made something up off the top of my head as an example during a discussion. That thing is now being posted as "rumoured fact". I know it's not a fact because I made it up, but not for the purposes of it being a rumour. What you ‘made up’ was a well known fact years ago. Moving swiftly on, what a lovely Autumn morning it is. So when did it become a well known fact UWE were asking for a share of gate receipts? Point me in the direction of a newspaper article or an interview would you, I completely missed that when it came out. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 12:16:56 GMT
I just cant see how the owners are going to take the massive financial step up to making the club championship ready.
The new ground,training ground,cat 2 academy and better players can only be achieved by throwing large amounts of money into the club and there is no evidence that the owners are interested in doing that.
The way i see it wealthy owners come into clubs lose money but end up with a valuable product which sometimes makes a profit and can be sold for a fortune.
So ive lost faith.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 1, 2017 12:30:42 GMT
I very much still have faith.... 3 main reasons: 1. I haven't seen a shred of evidence that backs up the numerous disruptive stories and rumours that have been brought up on here - only hearsay and comments like 'my source' or a friend of a friend. That's not to say they are wrong but if they were true I would have expected parties to either go to press, court etc by now and even if notices of intent are issued then the press would have picked it up and the assumption that we aren't paying bills as we have no money is too far fetched for me especially as if staff and players etc weren't paid or paid late, again it would be lodged with PFA etc 2. Whilst it may not be as quick as some want, I've only seen the regime do what they said they would. Buy land for a training ground, invest in players, invest in the infrastructure by get a more professional back room set up in, start work in our commercial space, secure our best manager in years on a long term contract and make small and reasonable changes to an expensive to run, dated ground in the 2nd or 3rd most expensive place to live and run a business in the land. 3. There isn't anyone else knocking our door down saying I'll buy you and wipe out all your debts, invest multi-millions in the team and spend £50-60m building a new stadium and state of the art training complex. I respect everyone's opinion but I think sometimes we all have to get a bit more realistic with our expectations and how long things can take 1) Unpaid bills. Outstanding for months. 2) Training ground just growing grass. More staff employed but no income to cover costs: result bankruptcy. Only reason for giving DC a five year deal is to maximise compensation if he gets poached. He still only gets 1 years pay if we sack him. 3) Who knows. The Mem would be worth millions to a developer. This unpaid bill(s) thing. Is it just one bill or many? It seems to revolve around the training ground going by the stories.
An unpaid bill itself doesn't mean anything untoward in its self. Perhaps it is under dispute like many invoices are between many companies all the time, but as usual there is no evidence of what the actual problem is, just people saying unpaid Bills as if that means something.
2) why keep adding to the staff if they can't/won't fund it. They are bankers. they know money doesn't grow on trees?
If Hani is the big bad in story time, why isn't he shutting down all the other spending, no matter how small?
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Post by peterparker on Nov 1, 2017 12:33:41 GMT
I have been hearing nothing but negative stories about the board for the past few months. Are any of you still optimistic they are in it for the long haul and are going to deliver ? I hated the period of slow decline following the failed promotion season of 99-00 and all the ill feeling towards the board that followed and i really hoped for a period of all pulling together and some relative success. I very much still have faith.... 3 main reasons: 1. I haven't seen a shred of evidence that backs up the numerous disruptive stories and rumours that have been brought up on here - only hearsay and comments like 'my source' or a friend of a friend. That's not to say they are wrong but if they were true I would have expected parties to either go to press, court etc by now and even if notices of intent are issued then the press would have picked it up and the assumption that we aren't paying bills as we have no money is too far fetched for me especially as if staff and players etc weren't paid or paid late, again it would be lodged with PFA etc 2. Whilst it may not be as quick as some want, I've only seen the regime do what they said they would. Buy land for a training ground, invest in players, invest in the infrastructure by get a more professional back room set up in, start work in our commercial space, secure our best manager in years on a long term contract and make small and reasonable changes to an expensive to run, dated ground in the 2nd or 3rd most expensive place to live and run a business in the land. 3. There isn't anyone else knocking our door down saying I'll buy you and wipe out all your debts, invest multi-millions in the team and spend £50-60m building a new stadium and state of the art training complex. I respect everyone's opinion but I think sometimes we all have to get a bit more realistic with our expectations and how long things can take I don't know why some people think the Al-Qadi's or anyone else is just going to sink 50m into a stadium and expect nothing back.
How many stadiums/stands have actually been funded by cash free investment from a wealthy owner? Arsenal, Liverpool, et all are/were all financed by borrowed money. SL may have done it, and I think that is confusing/adding expectation to some peoples minds
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Post by baggins on Nov 1, 2017 12:40:27 GMT
I think that Rovers are being lied to and conned. I think there is an undisclosed underlying interest in being involved with BRFC without actually investing. I believe it is all a front and eventually it will come out in the wash. I believe another buyer will be being lined up. Why take over a football club and invest nothing? I don't but this evolution crap. I'm just being honest. If people don't agree then I understand, but it is my gut feeling. I don't buy all this Wael on the terraces stuff either. Sorry. This underlying interest, it's what? And there's pictures of Wael on the terraces, with the fans, and stories of him sitting with fans on the trains coming back from away trips, so I don't get what you don't "buy". |
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Post by baggins on Nov 1, 2017 12:54:50 GMT
I have been hearing nothing but negative stories about the board for the past few months. Are any of you still optimistic they are in it for the long haul and are going to deliver ? I hated the period of slow decline following the failed promotion season of 99-00 and all the ill feeling towards the board that followed and i really hoped for a period of all pulling together and some relative success. I very much still have faith.... 3 main reasons: 1. I haven't seen a shred of evidence that backs up the numerous disruptive stories and rumours that have been brought up on here - only hearsay and comments like 'my source' or a friend of a friend. That's not to say they are wrong but if they were true I would have expected parties to either go to press, court etc by now and even if notices of intent are issued then the press would have picked it up and the assumption that we aren't paying bills as we have no money is too far fetched for me especially as if staff and players etc weren't paid or paid late, again it would be lodged with PFA etc 2. Whilst it may not be as quick as some want, I've only seen the regime do what they said they would. Buy land for a training ground, invest in players, invest in the infrastructure by get a more professional back room set up in, start work in our commercial space, secure our best manager in years on a long term contract and make small and reasonable changes to an expensive to run, dated ground in the 2nd or 3rd most expensive place to live and run a business in the land. 3. There isn't anyone else knocking our door down saying I'll buy you and wipe out all your debts, invest multi-millions in the team and spend £50-60m building a new stadium and state of the art training complex. I respect everyone's opinion but I think sometimes we all have to get a bit more realistic with our expectations and how long things can take Pretty much where I am. |
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Post by knowall on Nov 1, 2017 13:26:05 GMT
I very much still have faith.... 3 main reasons: 1. I haven't seen a shred of evidence that backs up the numerous disruptive stories and rumours that have been brought up on here - only hearsay and comments like 'my source' or a friend of a friend. That's not to say they are wrong but if they were true I would have expected parties to either go to press, court etc by now and even if notices of intent are issued then the press would have picked it up and the assumption that we aren't paying bills as we have no money is too far fetched for me especially as if staff and players etc weren't paid or paid late, again it would be lodged with PFA etc 2. Whilst it may not be as quick as some want, I've only seen the regime do what they said they would. Buy land for a training ground, invest in players, invest in the infrastructure by get a more professional back room set up in, start work in our commercial space, secure our best manager in years on a long term contract and make small and reasonable changes to an expensive to run, dated ground in the 2nd or 3rd most expensive place to live and run a business in the land. 3. There isn't anyone else knocking our door down saying I'll buy you and wipe out all your debts, invest multi-millions in the team and spend £50-60m building a new stadium and state of the art training complex. I respect everyone's opinion but I think sometimes we all have to get a bit more realistic with our expectations and how long things can take Pretty much where I am. and me |
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 1, 2017 13:31:38 GMT
What you ‘made up’ was a well known fact years ago. Moving swiftly on, what a lovely Autumn morning it is. So when did it become a well known fact UWE were asking for a share of gate receipts? Point me in the direction of a newspaper article or an interview would you, I completely missed that when it came out. It’s not a fact and it’s unlikely to be a fact because the ALQs would not have bought the club if they’d known this to be a fact and if it was a fact that would have made UWE unviable. So in summary the chances of it being a fact are about the same as the ALQs doing little due diligence before acquisition or doing full due diligence knowing it to be a fact and thinking it was still viable. |
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Post by garystash on Nov 1, 2017 13:36:46 GMT
I'd like to know when the club said the UWE deal wasn't a good one?
Can someone point me at the source?
As I recall, the only actual reason given was that UWE didn't return a signed document by a deadline.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 1, 2017 13:45:31 GMT
I'd like to know when the club said the UWE deal wasn't a good one? Can someone point me at the source? As I recall, the only actual reason given was that UWE didn't return a signed document by a deadline. Which in itself is clearly a bullshit excuse.  |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 1, 2017 13:48:34 GMT
I'd like to know when the club said the UWE deal wasn't a good one? Can someone point me at the source? As I recall, the only actual reason given was that UWE didn't return a signed document by a deadline. I don't really understand the differentiation. Surely they were negotiating for a deal they thought was good, and the talks broke down. Talks wouldn't have broken down if they'd agreed a deal they wanted, ie one they defined as good. UWE didn't send a head of terms, ie a letter of intent as regards the negotiations, ie an attempt at common ground in which to look for a good deal. Istm pretty obvious if Dwane thought the original deal (the one Higgs made) was a good one, they would have agreed that. 'Good' in this context is pretty much 'one we would have wanted to sign,' surely. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 1, 2017 13:55:26 GMT
I'd like to know when the club said the UWE deal wasn't a good one? Can someone point me at the source? As I recall, the only actual reason given was that UWE didn't return a signed document by a deadline. Bloody Royal Mail, maybe they should privatise it. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 1, 2017 13:56:06 GMT
I'd like to know when the club said the UWE deal wasn't a good one? Can someone point me at the source? As I recall, the only actual reason given was that UWE didn't return a signed document by a deadline. Which in itself is clearly a bullshit excuse. By them or us? |
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Post by markczgas on Nov 1, 2017 14:05:07 GMT
3.) Is not a reason for, it's just argument against someone else coming in or not !
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Post by baggins on Nov 1, 2017 14:07:28 GMT
3.) Is not a reason for, it's just argument against someone else coming in or not ! They're not. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 14:15:37 GMT
I believe that Ed Ware has been putting this about but I don't believe it will ever come to anything. I get the feeling he is trying to "out" the current owners as he doesn't believe that they intend to develop anything anytime soon.And of course, he made everything happen whilst he was a director - I can't quite remember what though! I agree with you 💯 % |
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