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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:13:42 GMT
Here's a couple of new things you may not of realised , the PR announcement from the club that had said we had turned down £500k from a championship club on deadline day for Bill to lead us to think that the club at least/ at last has ambition, ... Are you saying, we announced we rejected a half-million bid but that wasn't true? We didn't turn down an offer for Bill is what I'm saying as there were no offer |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:23:06 GMT
Wael was loving all the attention when being carried down glos rd coming out with statements the fans wanted too hear we should've made the bastd walk.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:28:24 GMT
I have been hearing nothing but negative stories about the board for the past few months. Are any of you still optimistic they are in it for the long haul and are going to deliver ? I hated the period of slow decline following the failed promotion season of 99-00 and all the ill feeling towards the board that followed and i really hoped for a period of all pulling together and some relative success. I very much still have faith.... 3 main reasons: 1. I haven't seen a shred of evidence that backs up the numerous disruptive stories and rumours that have been brought up on here - only hearsay and comments like 'my source' or a friend of a friend. That's not to say they are wrong but if they were true I would have expected parties to either go to press, court etc by now and even if notices of intent are issued then the press would have picked it up and the assumption that we aren't paying bills as we have no money is too far fetched for me especially as if staff and players etc weren't paid or paid late, again it would be lodged with PFA etc 2. Whilst it may not be as quick as some want, I've only seen the regime do what they said they would. Buy land for a training ground, invest in players, invest in the infrastructure by get a more professional back room set up in, start work in our commercial space, secure our best manager in years on a long term contract and make small and reasonable changes to an expensive to run, dated ground in the 2nd or 3rd most expensive place to live and run a business in the land. 3. There isn't anyone else knocking our door down saying I'll buy you and wipe out all your debts, invest multi-millions in the team and spend £50-60m building a new stadium and state of the art training complex. I respect everyone's opinion but I think sometimes we all have to get a bit more realistic with our expectations and how long things can take The 3rd point you make hasn't and won't ever be achieved |
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Post by LJG on Nov 1, 2017 9:32:02 GMT
Well, if you were to say something new and worrying then I might be worried, but all you've done is list a bunch of stuff that everyone on here knew already. If you come back and say I told you so in 6 months, I could say what did you tell us, and you would have to say something like, I told you it was worrying. And I would say but did you give us any solid info? And you would say, no, not really, I just listed a load of stuff that everyone knew anyway. And then I would say, why didn't you warn us properly with some facts so that we would know what was really going on and we could prepare ourselves for it, or protest about it, or something. And you would have to say, good point, I should have given you some decent facts. And I would then say, not much of an I told you so, then, is it? To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying you haven't actually told us anything new. Here's a couple of new things you may not of realised , the PR announcement from the club that had said we had turned down £500k from a championship club on deadline day for Bill to lead us to think that the club at least/ at last has ambition, or the fact that Avon and Somerset have been waiting to be paid for last season, there's more but to be brutally honest most on here won't believe unless you can provide printed transcripts no doubt but it doesn't stop it all being true. As I've said in an earlier post I have always been an optimist not a doom monger when it comes to Rovers but all these murmurings emanating from the club are extremely concerning indeed, they want out because they haven't shown due diligence when acquiring the club and now realise the deal is not for them which is dumbfounding when you consider they are supposed to be successful business men. A couple of other things some of which you do know Dwayne sports is channel island based nothing new there but because for some unknown reason (sh1t advisors or have a go heroes) they don't know British tax law i.e. They thought that the building of the Colony and that of the UWE would be VAT free which it would be because new builds are VAT exempt but that only applies to British mainland based companies not those who are based in Guernsay. That would mean that our £40million pound plus pipe dream would've cost nearer to £50 million and the same rules apply to the state of the art training complex , none of it is going to happen. Sorry but the opposite of the bit in bold is true. New commercial land and buildings are standard rated for VAT: VAT Act 1994 Schedule 9 Group 1 para 1 (a). You're just repeating things that have been said on here before and adding your own emphasis. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:37:16 GMT
Yes, save for the fact that the ALQs didn't buy the club blind and had many meetings with UWE before they bought the club (according to Wael) so knew exactly what the deal was and it didn't stop them from buying. All of their rhetoric at the time was of developing a new stadium and moving forward with UWE from a position that they knew what the deal Higgs had agreed was before they bought the club. They even let the court case appeal with Sainsbury's run on despite Hamer telling us at the time that it was no longer important to win that to build UWE. All this shows is that on the balance of probability it is the ALQs rather than UWE who have significantly changed their position to cause it all to collapse. For what it's worth I will throw something into the debate. I'm led to believe amongst other things that the UWE would not move from their position of wanting a substantial percentage of the gate receipts from all events including all Rovers games at the UWE. I will leave the experts on here to debate whether this was acceptable, our owners obviously thought not. If that was the case, why did the viability study say the Stadium was a goer? And up until the last minute the contracts were going to be signed? Perhaps you are quoting the original deal under Nick Higgs? Either way we have gone from the Mem is not an option to developing it, and I use the word developing sparingly. |
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Post by LJG on Nov 1, 2017 9:48:41 GMT
The thing about UWE asking for a share of gate receipts was something I posited on here about 8 weeks ago as a "for instance" example of "don't you think that would constitute a bad deal"?
Inevitably it seems to have taken on a life of its own.
I should have known better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:53:25 GMT
The thing about UWE asking for a share of gate receipts was something I posited on here about 8 weeks ago as a "for instance" example of "don't you think that would constitute a bad deal"? Inevitably it seems to have taken on a life of its own. I should have known better. I thought everyone knew the deal with UWE was a one sided affair 3/4 years ago! |
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Post by pucklegas on Nov 1, 2017 9:54:01 GMT
We are all doomed captain Mainwaring! How about we sponsor a fence at the Colony if Wael is skint! I ve just sent my £11.99 in.
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Post by LJG on Nov 1, 2017 9:56:38 GMT
The thing about UWE asking for a share of gate receipts was something I posited on here about 8 weeks ago as a "for instance" example of "don't you think that would constitute a bad deal"? Inevitably it seems to have taken on a life of its own. I should have known better. I thought everyone knew the deal with UWE was a one sided affair 3/4 years ago! You're making my head spin. |
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Post by LJG on Nov 1, 2017 9:59:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 10:08:54 GMT
For what it's worth I will throw something into the debate. I'm led to believe amongst other things that the UWE would not move from their position of wanting a substantial percentage of the gate receipts from all events including all Rovers games at the UWE. I will leave the experts on here to debate whether this was acceptable, our owners obviously thought not. it's not worth a lot as it's hearsay So my info is "hearsay" and as you are one of the experts on here yours is all fact, provided by Ex directors or friends or other club sources. My info, again for what it's worth comes from a high level UWE source. I |
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 1, 2017 10:10:53 GMT
I think that Rovers are being lied to and conned. I think there is an undisclosed underlying interest in being involved with BRFC without actually investing. I believe it is all a front and eventually it will come out in the wash. I believe another buyer will be being lined up. Why take over a football club and invest nothing? I don't but this evolution crap. I'm just being honest. If people don't agree then I understand, but it is my gut feeling. I don't buy all this Wael on the terraces stuff either. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 10:12:08 GMT
I thought everyone knew the deal with UWE was a one sided affair 3/4 years ago! You're making my head spin. Ok fair enough. Trying to highlight that you said something really important and news breaking 8 weeks ago when ‘most’ people knew years ago is not something to gloat about is it? You will never change, I accept that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 10:17:09 GMT
The thing about UWE asking for a share of gate receipts was something I posited on here about 8 weeks ago as a "for instance" example of "don't you think that would constitute a bad deal"? Inevitably it seems to have taken on a life of its own. I should have known better. Did not read your "for instance" from 8 weeks ago LJG. My source is from on high at UWE and not a gashead or connected to our club, which I was told about yesterday, one things for sure as far as I am concerned, that person does not read this forum. |
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Post by LJG on Nov 1, 2017 10:26:55 GMT
You're making my head spin. Ok fair enough. Trying to highlight that you said something really important and news breaking 8 weeks ago when ‘most’ people knew years ago is not something to gloat about is it? You will never change, I accept that. But my point was I didn't say anything important or news breaking. I made something up off the top of my head as an example during a discussion. That thing is now being posted as "rumoured fact". I know it's not a fact because I made it up, but not for the purposes of it being a rumour. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 1, 2017 10:29:43 GMT
The thing about UWE asking for a share of gate receipts was something I posited on here about 8 weeks ago as a "for instance" example of "don't you think that would constitute a bad deal"? Inevitably it seems to have taken on a life of its own. I should have known better. Did not read your "for instance" from 8 weeks ago LJG. My source is from on high at UWE and not a gashead or connected to our club, which I was told about yesterday, one things for sure as far as I am concerned, that person does not read this forum. Thanks for explaining your source (I emphasise explain as I wouldn't expect anyone to name them). Makes understanding your point much clearer. Is anyone else prepared to do this? I don't have any contacts within the club, I am rarely able to attend games for family reasons and only know one other poster of this forum. I therefore rely on people here to keep in touch. I must be the only one not in the know. |
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Post by LJG on Nov 1, 2017 10:33:08 GMT
The thing about UWE asking for a share of gate receipts was something I posited on here about 8 weeks ago as a "for instance" example of "don't you think that would constitute a bad deal"? Inevitably it seems to have taken on a life of its own. I should have known better. Did not read your "for instance" from 8 weeks ago LJG. My source is from on high at UWE and not a gashead or connected to our club, which I was told about yesterday, one things for sure as far as I am concerned, that person does not read this forum. Ah right. Thanks for saying. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 10:35:00 GMT
Ok fair enough. Trying to highlight that you said something really important and news breaking 8 weeks ago when ‘most’ people knew years ago is not something to gloat about is it? You will never change, I accept that. But my point was I didn't say anything important or news breaking. I made something up off the top of my head as an example during a discussion. That thing is now being posted as "rumoured fact". I know it's not a fact because I made it up, but not for the purposes of it being a rumour. What you ‘made up’ was a well known fact years ago. Moving swiftly on, what a lovely Autumn morning it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 10:43:48 GMT
Agree it's unbelievable how easy a ride the ALQs are getting from most fans but strangely it seems that some of those who were Higgs biggest critics are the ALQs biggest champions! There would be absolute meltdown if events since the beginning of August had happened on Higgs watch and you'd be hard pressed to find people to believe his version of the events! However if Wael says anything - and he's saying increasingly little - too many just believe it as the gospel of the Messiah. The huge difference is that if Higgs had pulled out of a deal he had created and worked on for ten years on, saying it wasn't a very good deal then he would rightly be criticised. If Wael pulls out of a deal he didn't create and had spent a year trying to improve coz it wasn't a very good deal, saying, it's not a very good deal, then that's more reasonable, surely? Wael didn’t pull the plug on UWE, his big brother did. |
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Post by knowall on Nov 1, 2017 10:49:29 GMT
f**k me page 3 already with this utter bollox. Page 3, tits out? You bet! I believe that Ed Ware has been putting this about but I don't believe it will ever come to anything. I get the feeling he is trying to "out" the current owners as he doesn't believe that they intend to develop anything anytime soon.And of course, he made everything happen whilst he was a director - I can't quite remember what though! |
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