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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Nov 2, 2017 14:09:02 GMT
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 2, 2017 14:24:45 GMT
So what has he told us in that interview? Nothing not already known except the training ground is being worked on. Strangely 8 weeks later nothing has happened with the training ground, or to my knowledge a revision to the planning permission being submitted. Hence a vacuum of communication breeds rumours and ultimately distrust. Exactly, he has told us nothing that we didn't already know. This is why I made this thread with an OLD story, showing we already know this information. We already know Wael is taking things QUIETLY and SLOWLY. YET all I am reading on this forum is "no communication". If things are going quietly and slowly, there wont be regular updates of communication. Would you prefer the club to stay quiet and go about its business and update us when there is something actually to update us with or would you prefer a fortnightly update simply saying "there is no new update"? Obviously regular communication is not actually necessary. I have read things on this forum saying we have no money and Wael hasn't done anything. That is another reason why I made this thread with an OLD story, showing we already know what Wael has done for us showing, we have funds. We already know Wael is building the club up in a SUSTAINABLE way for LONG TERM SUCCESS. The club is communicating enough. We know its going quietly and slowly. We already have the information we need for now and when there is something eventually to update us on, then the club will. Patience is needed. And that is what this thread is about. We are up to date. Its impatient fans who are spreading rumours which ultimately breeds distrust. Not the club. Oh well believe what you want. Eight weeks old and still no developments at training ground, not even a planning application. Wael commissioned a feasibility study for UWE and fed back it was positive, result UWE canned. Wael and Hamer tell us staying at the Mem is not an option, result the Mem is now the favoured option. As I've said before owning Bristol Rovers must be an easy gig and some people will believe whatever they are told and berate anyone who questions the substance of those statements even when the facts contradict the statements. Personally I'm ambivalent to the owners and strongly believe that every football fan should be sceptical about there statements. I'll believe what I see not what I'm told. Guess that just makes us different. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 2, 2017 14:30:50 GMT
Exactly, he has told us nothing that we didn't already know. This is why I made this thread with an OLD story, showing we already know this information. We already know Wael is taking things QUIETLY and SLOWLY. YET all I am reading on this forum is "no communication". If things are going quietly and slowly, there wont be regular updates of communication. Would you prefer the club to stay quiet and go about its business and update us when there is something actually to update us with or would you prefer a fortnightly update simply saying "there is no new update"? Obviously regular communication is not actually necessary. I have read things on this forum saying we have no money and Wael hasn't done anything. That is another reason why I made this thread with an OLD story, showing we already know what Wael has done for us showing, we have funds. We already know Wael is building the club up in a SUSTAINABLE way for LONG TERM SUCCESS. The club is communicating enough. We know its going quietly and slowly. We already have the information we need for now and when there is something eventually to update us on, then the club will. Patience is needed. And that is what this thread is about. We are up to date. Its impatient fans who are spreading rumours which ultimately breeds distrust. Not the club. Oh well believe what you want. Eight weeks old and still no developments at training ground, not even a planning application. Wael commissioned a feasibility study for UWE and fed back it was positive, result UWE canned. Wael and Hamer tell us staying at the Mem is not an option, result the Mem is now the favoured option. As I've said before owning Bristol Rovers must be an easy gig and some people will believe whatever they are told and berate anyone who questions the substance of those statements even when the facts contradict the statements. Personally I'm ambivalent to the owners and strongly believe that every football fan should be sceptical about there statements. I'll believe what I see not what I'm told. Guess that just makes us different. You do need to seek some professional help for that issue you have |
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Post by aghast on Nov 2, 2017 14:39:55 GMT
The truth will always stand up to scrutiny. One man's truth is another man's lie. I don't know what that means, but it seemed right to post it. |
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 2, 2017 14:48:59 GMT
Who would of thought 'Evolution' would of been so slow?!?!?!?!?!? I still have faith in the regime because as many have said what is the alternate? The training ground will be complete, the Mem will be revamped, but these things take time. As a fanbase we have gotten way too greedy due to our amazing short term success. But this spike of success had to come to an end eventually.
And lets cut to the chase, we're all annoyed and anxious of our own performance on and off the pitch because City are doing very well at the moment, that's the only reason people are up in arms, because it does seem the gap between the two clubs is getting wider unless we do something. But those frustrated with the board have to understand these things take time, previous boards have done nothing for the long term infrastructure of our club and WAQ is finally addressing those problems. But we can't expect this to be done in a matter of months this will take a long time. This! Personally this is a huge source of frustration and one that may get worse. If City make it to the 'promised land' of the Prem, then it will very bad for Rovers. We will likely lose potential supporters as a glut of youngsters and neutrals yet to choose their club, will naturally lean towards the shiny red stadium south of the river with a team that is playing the likes of Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea Man Utd, Liverpool etc.. whilst we will be playing Bury, Rochdale, Rotherham and Fleetwood! We need to do something to increase our 'stock' imo and that will take investment, something we have seen very little of up to now The Ted's won't make it to the promised land, but I agree that when they are on the up the focus turns to how we can respond. I don't give a sh** about the sh**, but I can see how it can wind our fans up, especially when the Ted's go on and on about it. Nothing more annoying than an up themselves gloating Ted. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 2, 2017 14:58:30 GMT
This! Personally this is a huge source of frustration and one that may get worse. If City make it to the 'promised land' of the Prem, then it will very bad for Rovers. We will likely lose potential supporters as a glut of youngsters and neutrals yet to choose their club, will naturally lean towards the shiny red stadium south of the river with a team that is playing the likes of Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea Man Utd, Liverpool etc.. whilst we will be playing Bury, Rochdale, Rotherham and Fleetwood! We need to do something to increase our 'stock' imo and that will take investment, something we have seen very little of up to now Nothing more annoying than an up themselves gloating Ted. Is there any other sort? |
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Post by cj on Nov 2, 2017 15:02:18 GMT
Exactly, he has told us nothing that we didn't already know. This is why I made this thread with an OLD story, showing we already know this information. We already know Wael is taking things QUIETLY and SLOWLY. YET all I am reading on this forum is "no communication". If things are going quietly and slowly, there wont be regular updates of communication. Would you prefer the club to stay quiet and go about its business and update us when there is something actually to update us with or would you prefer a fortnightly update simply saying "there is no new update"? Obviously regular communication is not actually necessary. I have read things on this forum saying we have no money and Wael hasn't done anything. That is another reason why I made this thread with an OLD story, showing we already know what Wael has done for us showing, we have funds. We already know Wael is building the club up in a SUSTAINABLE way for LONG TERM SUCCESS. The club is communicating enough. We know its going quietly and slowly. We already have the information we need for now and when there is something eventually to update us on, then the club will. Patience is needed. And that is what this thread is about. We are up to date. Its impatient fans who are spreading rumours which ultimately breeds distrust. Not the club. Oh well believe what you want. Eight weeks old and still no developments at training ground, not even a planning application. Wael commissioned a feasibility study for UWE and fed back it was positive, result UWE canned. Wael and Hamer tell us staying at the Mem is not an option, result the Mem is now the favoured option. As I've said before owning Bristol Rovers must be an easy gig and some people will believe whatever they are told and berate anyone who questions the substance of those statements even when the facts contradict the statements. Personally I'm ambivalent to the owners and strongly believe that every football fan should be sceptical about there statements. I'll believe what I see not what I'm told. Guess that just makes us different. Its like me saying I will travel to work by bus. But then the bus didn't turn up so I walked instead. Have I contradicted myself because I said I was getting the bus but I walked instead? Of course not! Same applies to Rovers. The feasibility report was positive for UWE. But it was canned afterwards because an agreement couldn't be made between us and UWE. Where is the contradiction about that? The Mem was not an option for us, while the UWE deal was still on - obviously. But once UWE was no longer on, redevelopment of the Mem was the only choice. Its not the favoured option as you say. The Mem is the only option now, unless another site is found. What is the contradiction about that? You do understand that when updates are given by the club, if circumstances change following the update, for whatever reason, then its not a contradiction by the club. Its simply just a change of circumstance which means the original update is no longer the plan. Also, just my opinion, its totally unreasonable to suggest 8 weeks after the last update on the training ground that we should told be updated on the situation. Its unfair on the club to criticise the club for that. A side point about your last paragraph, FOR ME, what sets Wael out different to a lot of owners, he is a fan and everything he does as an owner is based on being a fan. At away games, he travels with the fans and he sits with the fans, instead of comfortably sitting in a directors box. He has tried to improve the match day experience for the fans. |
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 2, 2017 15:04:07 GMT
Oh well believe what you want. Eight weeks old and still no developments at training ground, not even a planning application. Wael commissioned a feasibility study for UWE and fed back it was positive, result UWE canned. Wael and Hamer tell us staying at the Mem is not an option, result the Mem is now the favoured option. As I've said before owning Bristol Rovers must be an easy gig and some people will believe whatever they are told and berate anyone who questions the substance of those statements even when the facts contradict the statements. Personally I'm ambivalent to the owners and strongly believe that every football fan should be sceptical about there statements. I'll believe what I see not what I'm told. Guess that just makes us different. You do need to seek some professional help for that issue you have How's that rumour going that you were peddling about the training ground not happening at the Colony? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 2, 2017 15:05:45 GMT
You do need to seek some professional help for that issue you have How's that rumour going that you were peddling about the training ground not happening at the Colony? As i say you do need to seek some professional help for that issue you have |
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 2, 2017 15:10:13 GMT
Nothing more annoying than an up themselves gloating Ted. Is there any other sort? More than one 🤣 |
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Post by cj on Nov 2, 2017 15:16:07 GMT
Personally I'm ambivalent to the owners and strongly believe that every football fan should be sceptical about there statements. I'll believe what I see not what I'm told. Guess that just makes us different. You say you believe what you see and not what you are told. Me too. I have seen many great things that Wael has done for us. Surely you have seen these things too. I have been told many things by people on here who claim to know how much money Wael has or don't have. I dont believe it. Do you? Based purely on what WE have SEEN from Wael, what is there to be "sceptical" about? Based purely on what WE are TOLD on here and read into updates, WE dont believe anyway. So we are in unison. |
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Post by aghast on Nov 2, 2017 15:18:48 GMT
My faith is slowly leaking away as the months roll on and nothing happens. To keep my faith I need evidence that a plan and investment exist, and evidence it is going to happen. I can't just keep on believing in nothing, or I might as well sit at the bottom of the garden and see if any fairies are playing down there. I might be wrong, and something sensational will be announced, but how long do we have to wait? February 2018 for any news on the training ground? Sometime next year for the first proposals for the Mem? Even those are very optimistic timescales. I just can't see why the owners will pump milllions into a new training facility and even more millions into a shiny new Mem (whether through internal or external investment) if any revenue streams from the investment are perhaps 5 years away. I say this with respect. You say your faith is slowly leaking away as time rolls on. To keep your faith you need to see evidence that something is going to happen, asking how long do we have to wait. BUT.... Then you say Feb 2018 and sometime next year for news on the training ground and 1st proposals on the stadium are very optimistic timescales. So, obviously you know its going to take a long time to find out something is going to happen as its very optimistic timescales. Why then is your faith leaking away and you want evidence now that something is going happen otherwise you faith will keep slowly leaking away, when you obviously know nothing is going to happen anytime soon? I just don't get! Again, with respect, you clearly sound like you know patience will be needed but at the same time, you are struggling to be patient! My head is now fried! It wasn't my patience I was discussing really. It was the situation where the whole ownership project starts to lose viability at some stage in the future, where the lack of any progress for month upon month upon year, as operating losses continue to mount up, might get to the stage where the only feasible option to recover an investment is to sell up. As you say, I knew months ago that nothing was going to happen soon. Months later here we are and still nothing is going to happen soon, as far as I can see, so the timescales are just being extended. Mr Hamer has already put back the start date of the Colony by a year. You can be as optimistic and reasonable as you like, but if I'd told you in February 2016 that infrastucture-wise we would be where we are now, you wouldn't have believed me. As I and others have said before, almost everything the club has achieved since the new owners took control is down to DC and the players |
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Post by singupgas on Nov 2, 2017 15:36:42 GMT
I say this with respect. You say your faith is slowly leaking away as time rolls on. To keep your faith you need to see evidence that something is going to happen, asking how long do we have to wait. BUT.... Then you say Feb 2018 and sometime next year for news on the training ground and 1st proposals on the stadium are very optimistic timescales. So, obviously you know its going to take a long time to find out something is going to happen as its very optimistic timescales. Why then is your faith leaking away and you want evidence now that something is going happen otherwise you faith will keep slowly leaking away, when you obviously know nothing is going to happen anytime soon? I just don't get! Again, with respect, you clearly sound like you know patience will be needed but at the same time, you are struggling to be patient! My head is now fried! It wasn't my patience I was discussing really. It was the situation where the whole ownership project starts to lose viability at some stage in the future, where the lack of any progress for month upon month upon year, as operating losses continue to mount up, might get to the stage where the only feasible option to recover an investment is to sell up. As you say, I knew months ago that nothing was going to happen soon. Months later here we are and still nothing is going to happen soon, as far as I can see, so the timescales are just being extended. Mr Hamer has already put back the start date of the Colony by a year. You can be as optimistic and reasonable as you like, but if I'd told you in February 2016 that infrastucture-wise we would be where we are now, you wouldn't have believed me. As I and others have said before, almost everything the club has achieved since the new owners took control is down to DC and the players You are absolutely right, if we were in league 2 and all of this was going on there would be way more noise The fact is, we are now a mid table-bottom half league 1 team, that is enough for some to paper over the cracks we are not really progressing off the pitch where it really matters or at least we don't seem to be . Other than a few backroom staff, we have stagnated. |
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 2, 2017 15:52:32 GMT
Personally I'm ambivalent to the owners and strongly believe that every football fan should be sceptical about there statements. I'll believe what I see not what I'm told. Guess that just makes us different. You say you believe what you see and not what you are told. Me too. I have seen many great things that Wael has done for us. Surely you have seen these things too. I have been told many things by people on here who claim to know how much money Wael has or don't have. I dont believe it. Do you? Based purely on what WE have SEEN from Wael, what is there to be "sceptical" about? Based purely on what WE are TOLD on here and read into updates, WE dont believe anyway. So we are in unison. You'll need to ask someone else about Wael's wealth as I have no idea. As to what I've seen a lot of backroom staff arriving, only the likes of DC will know how effective those people have been, all paid for by a loan from Dwane Sports secured against the football club's only real asset. Hence be sceptical about what any football club owner tells you. When I see that loan being repaid in the accounts then I'll see that the evolution is working and we are moving to self sufficiency. Do you think we'll see that in the next set of accounts? But keep believing after all Wael is a fan just like the last owner and where did he take us? |
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Post by cj on Nov 2, 2017 16:07:57 GMT
As I and others have said before, almost everything the club has achieved since the new owners took control is down to DC and the players The clubs achievements are usually scored by what happens on the pitch. So yeah, that would be down to DC and the players. But I would also point out Wael's achievements. Wael recognised we were understaffed in all areas and rectified this. We now have a well staffed academy and a large 1st team backroom staff. He has created a development squad. All to benefit DC and the squad. Wael has improved the match day experience for the fans. Maybe little things for some but the little things mount up and does make a difference. Most of Wael's time has been on UWE and sounds like saved us from dodging a bullet by pulling out of the deal that Higgs previously set up. Wael could have easily went ahead with UWE's wishes to get us a stadium but it wouldn't have been a good deal in the end for us. Then he would be public enemy number 1. Thankfully he was strong enough and knows what he is doing to pull out of the deal. This decision alone to pull out could be worth more than promotion to us! Then you got the training ground plans. Also managing to keep DC at the club too with a new contract. All within 18 months and he isnt always in the country either! If we were still under Higgs, UWE wouldn't have happened anyway because we would still have the Mem to get rid of due to Sainsburys pulling out, which would have funded UWE. Higgs wouldn't have been able to get investments like Wael did. Would we have got the little upgrades around the Mem under Higgs? No. Would Higgs have allowed a bigger backroom staff so both the academy and 1st team could be properly staffed? No. Would Higgs have allowed a development squad? No. Would Higgs have purchased land to build a training ground to move us into the 21st century? No. If under Higgs, I doubt we would have kept DC. I believe were were heading for administration or worse. Now compare Higgs with what he did during his entire spell and what Wael has done in just 18 months, Wael deserves credit for what he has done. Not just simply being dismissed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 16:13:07 GMT
Patience 55 years I been waiting that long enough do I qualify? When my kids misbehave, I put them on the naughty spot for 1 minute per year of their age. They know if they talk during that time, their time on the naughty spot starts again. Likewise, when a new regime starts at the club, they should get a clean sheet and your patience should start again. Its only been 18 months since Wael took over and a lot of that has been spent on UWE. Your patience of 55 years is fantastic. Don't waste all that effort now. Like buying a lottery ticket for years. Don't stop now because you know your numbers will come up next week otherwise  My patience is just 34 years. I hope I can follow your lead and not end up like some others on here who only been around for 3 seasons and is only use to success so wants everything now. We've seen it a hell of a lot worse than what we got. Believe me we will always be rag bag and these owners won't make no difference and it's the only club I can watch and support so I just accept the fact that we will always be rag bag rovers 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 16:28:02 GMT
You say you believe what you see and not what you are told. Me too. I have seen many great things that Wael has done for us. Surely you have seen these things too. I have been told many things by people on here who claim to know how much money Wael has or don't have. I dont believe it. Do you? Based purely on what WE have SEEN from Wael, what is there to be "sceptical" about? Based purely on what WE are TOLD on here and read into updates, WE dont believe anyway. So we are in unison. You'll need to ask someone else about Wael's wealth as I have no idea. As to what I've seen a lot of backroom staff arriving, only the likes of DC will know how effective those people have been, all paid for by a loan from Dwane Sports secured against the football club's only real asset. Hence be sceptical about what any football club owner tells you. When I see that loan being repaid in the accounts then I'll see that the evolution is working and we are moving to self sufficiency. Do you think we'll see that in the next set of accounts? But keep believing after all Wael is a fan just like the last owner and where did he take us? But one company they own has secured a loan against the assets of another company they own as the first company didn't have assets to secure against and if you're looking to borrow £10m (which they in affect have albeit to then reinvest - think taking out an extended mortgage to get your house extension) then you're never gonna get that unsecured! Wael is not SL who will throw millions around and just write it off as a) it's not sensible business practice and b) it's not something he's ever said he'd do. Why not shares you ask ? A) it'll dilute their shareholding and b) you have to go through a lot of regulation in a newly more regulated environment and publish intent and gain approvals for the issue which takes time. They have done nothing with securing the investment that no one else hasn't done - think Liverpool, Man Utd etc etc. It offers protection for them, the investment and the football club so please can we stop this constant bashing of a standard accounting and business practice. The owe the money to themselves.... |
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Post by cj on Nov 2, 2017 16:28:40 GMT
You say you believe what you see and not what you are told. Me too. I have seen many great things that Wael has done for us. Surely you have seen these things too. I have been told many things by people on here who claim to know how much money Wael has or don't have. I dont believe it. Do you? Based purely on what WE have SEEN from Wael, what is there to be "sceptical" about? Based purely on what WE are TOLD on here and read into updates, WE dont believe anyway. So we are in unison. You'll need to ask someone else about Wael's wealth as I have no idea. As to what I've seen a lot of backroom staff arriving, only the likes of DC will know how effective those people have been, all paid for by a loan from Dwane Sports secured against the football club's only real asset. Hence be sceptical about what any football club owner tells you. When I see that loan being repaid in the accounts then I'll see that the evolution is working and we are moving to self sufficiency. Do you think we'll see that in the next set of accounts? But keep believing after all Wael is a fan just like the last owner and where did he take us? Compare the state of us when Higgs left to the state of us now under Wael, can you not see any improvements? Evolution is working. Wael said it will be a quiet slow process. |
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Post by justin blue on Nov 2, 2017 16:29:37 GMT
It wasn't my patience I was discussing really. It was the situation where the whole ownership project starts to lose viability at some stage in the future, where the lack of any progress for month upon month upon year, as operating losses continue to mount up, might get to the stage where the only feasible option to recover an investment is to sell up. As you say, I knew months ago that nothing was going to happen soon. Months later here we are and still nothing is going to happen soon, as far as I can see, so the timescales are just being extended. Mr Hamer has already put back the start date of the Colony by a year. You can be as optimistic and reasonable as you like, but if I'd told you in February 2016 that infrastucture-wise we would be where we are now, you wouldn't have believed me. As I and others have said before, almost everything the club has achieved since the new owners took control is down to DC and the players You are absolutely right, if we were in league 2 and all of this was going on there would be way more noise The fact is, we are now a mid table-bottom half league 1 team, that is enough for some to paper over the cracks we are not really progressing off the pitch where it really matters or at least we don't seem to be . Other than a few backroom staff, we have stagnated. No we haven't stagnated things are progressing maybe not as fast as we would all would have liked, but we are still here which was probably in doubt not so long ago. Has the new regime lived up to our expectation? Probably not, but in the absence of a queue of billionaires waiting to take us on we will have to hope that they can deliver eventually. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Nov 2, 2017 16:34:16 GMT
In Wael we trust.
I believe our club is in safe hands.
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