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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 5, 2017 11:50:02 GMT
DC's approach has always been to react to other teams away from home, up to this season it's been relatively successful, whether we agree to the approach or not it is beyond our control. Although can you honestly see that Smith fell over/was blocked for the second goal and then hoofed it up field rather than into the stand for the third just because Parts was playing instead of Leads? Even if DC decided to stick with a similar line up probably injuries/suspensions/call ups would mean changes each week anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 12:04:33 GMT
DC's approach has always been to react to other teams away from home, up to this season it's been relatively successful, whether we agree to the approach or not it is beyond our control. Although can you honestly see that Smith fell over/was blocked for the second goal and then hoofed it up field rather than into the stand for the third just because Parts was playing instead of Leads? Even if DC decided to stick with a similar line up probably injuries/suspensions/call ups would mean changes each week anyway. That's not strictly true our away form last season was pretty poor
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Post by knowall on Nov 5, 2017 12:20:24 GMT
DC's approach has always been to react to other teams away from home, up to this season it's been relatively successful, whether we agree to the approach or not it is beyond our control. Although can you honestly see that Smith fell over/was blocked for the second goal and then hoofed it up field rather than into the stand for the third just because Parts was playing instead of Leads? Even if DC decided to stick with a similar line up probably injuries/suspensions/call ups would mean changes each week anyway. I cannot comment on what happened at Notts as I was not there and have watched no film. Generally, I think trying to out-think opponents is a very difficult project and this (and last) season DC is finding more difficult. I and many others it seems would love to see DC pick what he considers his best team for several matches home and away (of course allowing for injuries and suspensions and international call-ups.) why wouldn't you?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 5, 2017 14:17:26 GMT
DC uses the "changes" talk normally as a big stick but unless Wael gives him £££'s in January the only chances will be Bola & Sweeney leaving, But Friday's team was virtually the same as the previous Saturday's, only the more defensive Parts replaced Leads at RB, the back line/CM has hardly changed since TB replaced Sweeney? Plus two of our goals came from Smith howlers I can't see how he's affected by a different RB playing? It seemed we had the usual problem of defending crosses/corners into our box, just where Harrison is effective, in my view not making that change upfront didn't help. Why can't DC get in a defence coach to help him if Yates has no interest in returning over the winter. Thank you for confirming my point. Virtually is not the same as actually. Please tell me two matches this season where the same players were employed - you won't be able to. I believe if we are to have a successful team we have to impose our selves on other teams - not be set up solely to react to other teams lineups. To your point re Smith - a goalkeeper is comfortable when he knows how each player in front of him will react to certain situations - if he is unsure then he will be at a disadvantage and mistakes will happen. My boy is 9 and a goalie and even he knows that!! Literally School boy stuff. For a keeper its less about the talent in front of him and more about knowing them and having a settled 4 in front of you. Do I come off my line? Um...oh no it's ok Leads will get back. Oh wait, Leads isn't playing this week. Oh bugger I let one in. Shall I come for that? nah, Broadbent dealt with that all last game. Oh wait, Sweeney is playing today. Oh sh**, did I just let another in?
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Post by midlandgas213 on Nov 5, 2017 14:31:43 GMT
I played in goal for school team , Avon counties, Sunday league and also RAF, in each level the rule was anything in the 6 yard area was the keepers ball regardless , nowadays keepers seem not to want to come off of their lime for anything.
We used to have some fantastic goalkeepers but recently we have been struggling n the area that is one reason why I suggest that we give Andre a game or two.
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Post by knowall on Nov 5, 2017 15:39:59 GMT
Thank you for confirming my point. Virtually is not the same as actually. Please tell me two matches this season where the same players were employed - you won't be able to. I believe if we are to have a successful team we have to impose our selves on other teams - not be set up solely to react to other teams lineups. To your point re Smith - a goalkeeper is comfortable when he knows how each player in front of him will react to certain situations - if he is unsure then he will be at a disadvantage and mistakes will happen. My boy is 9 and a goalie and even he knows that!!
Literally School boy stuff. For a keeper its less about the talent in front of him and more about knowing them and having a settled 4 in front of you. Do I come off my line? Um...oh no it's ok Leads will get back. Oh wait, Leads isn't playing this week. Oh bugger I let one in. Shall I come for that? nah, Broadbent dealt with that all last game. Oh wait, Sweeney is playing today. Oh sh**, did I just let another in? But apparently Topper does not
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Post by stevek192 on Nov 6, 2017 0:36:40 GMT
The blocking on the second goal was strange because it looked to me that he had no confidence whatsoever in his ability to go for the ball and looked more like Puddy than a 6ft 5 keeper. It was a ball he should have physically been able to command and he should have done better on the first as well. I have never been in favour of DC's constant changing but he hasn't done bad with it..has he.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 6, 2017 2:56:57 GMT
We are ******* awful at defending. It is difficult for DC to build a solid back five when all his preferred defenders are out of form and playing with no confidence. Lockyer, I just do not know what has happened to him, and Browner were do you start. I cannot see this changing until DC drops his week by week "project" and goes for a best 11 approach, at least the players would know were they stand, play well you are in, play **** you are out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 7:14:50 GMT
We are ******* awful at defending. It is difficult for DC to build a solid back five when all his preferred defenders are out of form and playing with no confidence. Lockyer, I just do not know what has happened to him, and Browner were do you start. I cannot see this changing until DC drops his week by week "project" and goes for a best 11 approach, at least the players would know were they stand, play well you are in, play **** you are out. They think they are all big time Charlie's out on the water then can't perform match days
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 6, 2017 10:34:23 GMT
I was there. Agree that Notts County were a very physical team and as the game wore on they imposed themselves more as their confidence grew. Fair play to them because at 2 - 0 down a few sides would have given up, but you could see that their players believed that they were going to get back into the game at some point. When their first one went in they immediately grew in stature and mentally it had an affect on Rovers. It felt like a move towards parking the bus without the belief that it would work, and it didn't. Their 3rd was the killer blow in my opinion.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 12:29:04 GMT
Good report and after listening to the commentary totally sums up what came across on the radio. The club should sit up and take notice when a gashead who attends all matches home and away has decided after so many inept away performances both this season and toward the end of last, that he will not be going to Scunthorpe next Saturday. The large away followings that the club have enjoyed in recent times has clearly not been rewarded by the players/manager and even a 0-0 draw now and again seems a total impossibility. Something is clearly not right,whether the players are just not good enough, the Managers constant chop/changing has unsettled the vast majority of them or dare I say it a number of them are totally disillusioned and are not playing for him. I think that the problem or problems ,? lay in players who now know that even a super human effort won’t guarantee them a starting spot, that is unless your on the DC’s favourites list. When you have a fair number of players to deal with then it’s not just football management but man management and managing expectations that needs addressing. We need a proper and voluble captain, one who will shout the odds and have a word, when necessary and we need the manager to back him and to stop messing players, who have just had a great game, around. Imagine being someone such as Telford for one moment. Plays, scores a few in one game then doesn’t start next game and then doesn’t even make the bench on others. I know he’s not ours but it’s why we make loans, to get the best we can from what we have. All well and good to spout off evolution not revolution and want OUR players to come into some form but I bet Stoke aren’t happy and I bet others will be looking at how many games loan players get, when with us. This is a time for MEN and not boys, leaders and not sheep and we need to man to duck up and show some pride. As it is it seems the heads are once again drooping and we look lost. Come on DC, you said yourself that you will be a sitting duck, time to put and end to the soft underbelly and put some steel into the team. I have not been going this season for entertainment but to see friends that I otherwise wouldn’t see. I would be cherry picking otherwise and I know many more feel the same. Iys time to put up or shut up, to fight for every last ball and not wait for it and to show clear headedness. I think we have been lacking direction since the first game. My gut feel was that we had made a hash of the summer and we would pay for that. I hope DC & the boys prove me wrong yet again. Look what happened each time we went out of the cup early, it is still early days and this can easily be turned around, it just needs the will to do so and the ability to adapt and not show that stubborn streak at all times.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2017 12:39:20 GMT
It would be a good argument if you could list a number of players but only Telford as probably warranted more game time but Nichols 2 in 2 before Friday suggests DC was right to stick by him. Parts,Bola & Broadbent have all been given their chance to impress as have the two goalies. Locks retains his place but he could well become our first international player for years this weekend I doubt he'd win a cap if he was dropped/not playing.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 12:47:14 GMT
DC's approach has always been to react to other teams away from home, up to this season it's been relatively successful, whether we agree to the approach or not it is beyond our control. Although can you honestly see that Smith fell over/was blocked for the second goal and then hoofed it up field rather than into the stand for the third just because Parts was playing instead of Leads? Even if DC decided to stick with a similar line up probably injuries/suspensions/call ups would mean changes each week anyway. I cannot comment on what happened at Notts as I was not there and have watched no film. Generally, I think trying to out-think opponents is a very difficult project and this (and last) season DC is finding more difficult. I and many others it seems would love to see DC pick what he considers his best team for several matches home and away (of course allowing for injuries and suspensions and international call-ups.) why wouldn't you? We will ALWAYS have a contingent of malcontent whingers, those who like to play video games & who believe they have real footballing nous and the brains to manage. If we won all the time then it would be the manner of winning but, getting back to your point, I think you’re spot on. You don’t change a winning team, you don’t reward a player who has scored a couple by dropping him and I think DC is only saying the right thing in accepting that he shoulders the blame here. Too many projects and not enough football. We need our substitute players so hungry to play that they pull off a dog 😂👍🏻 A winning team is an happy team, you just don’t change that dynamic unless it’s a form of sabotage. I know I’m an old fart but I remember the team Don Megson,largely inherited from Bill Dodgin, and you could near enough put your house on what the team would be, if all were fit. Christ, even Jim Eadie got picked and won an award for the longest amount of minutes with clean sheets and that was after necking a few pints in the true blue club as his pre match warm up ! We need a good captain and a reasonably settled side. I don’t think Billy Bob would make much difference right now. Sadly, I’ve seen the heads start to drop and I thought DC had ended that permanently. For me, if I had a choice in it, I’d take last seasons squad over this one. Over to you DC and the Al Qadi family.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 12:49:48 GMT
Thank you for confirming my point. Virtually is not the same as actually. Please tell me two matches this season where the same players were employed - you won't be able to. I believe if we are to have a successful team we have to impose our selves on other teams - not be set up solely to react to other teams lineups. To your point re Smith - a goalkeeper is comfortable when he knows how each player in front of him will react to certain situations - if he is unsure then he will be at a disadvantage and mistakes will happen. My boy is 9 and a goalie and even he knows that!! Literally School boy stuff. For a keeper its less about the talent in front of him and more about knowing them and having a settled 4 in front of you. Do I come off my line? Um...oh no it's ok Leads will get back. Oh wait, Leads isn't playing this week. Oh bugger I let one in. Shall I come for that? nah, Broadbent dealt with that all last game. Oh wait, Sweeney is playing today. Oh sh**, did I just let another in? Laughing WITH you not at you Hugo the Elder the Elder. . Made I laugh
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Post by markczgas on Nov 6, 2017 12:52:24 GMT
The biggest signing we can make is getting either Twentyman or Tillson in as a defence coach - the team look lost at the back ! Not sure about the individuals mentioned but I think we obviously need to do something different in terms of defensive coaching, as I actually believe our defenders are not individually that bad. Certainly Lockyer, Sweeney and Broadbent all are classy on their day and we have plenty of good full back options on paper. With the correct organisation and shape I truly believe our defence can be a strong point, just as it was for most of the second half of last season. Yep of course, but was thinking about quality ex-Rovers players who played at the back and who might be interested ?? Both have been coaches/assistants too !
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Post by markczgas on Nov 6, 2017 12:59:19 GMT
We are ******* awful at defending. It is difficult for DC to build a solid back five when all his preferred defenders are out of form and playing with no confidence. Lockyer, I just do not know what has happened to him, and Browner were do you start. I cannot see this changing until DC drops his week by week "project" and goes for a best 11 approach, at least the players would know were they stand, play well you are in, play **** you are out. The problem is all defenders are shaky. I unfortunately witnessed Shrews away and after that game Bola was rightly dropped - he didn't want to tackle , he didn't want to mark/challenge for balls so I was pleased Brown came in - I thought he'd been doing quite well since coming back ( but didn't go to County). Then,Locks has hardly convinced but Sweeney and Burn looked distinctly average v Hammers' kids, both Leads and Parts have looked poor with defensive duties, so another dilemma. So who do you pick ? The common theme is they are all defenders - that's why I think DC (who was an attacking midfielder) and Stewie need someone who can organise a defence and a keeper (this is another issue this season- neither keeper has really impressed too). Hope the bite the bullet asap !!
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 13:03:01 GMT
It would be a good argument if you could list a number of players but only Telford as probably warranted more game time but Nichols 2 in 2 before Friday suggests DC was right to stick by him. Parts,Bola & Broadbent have all been given their chance to impress as have the two goalies. Locks retains his place but he could well become our first international player for years this weekend I doubt he'd win a cap if he was dropped/not playing. Was just using him as an example of how DC will, very often, not play someone who was MOM or who played so well that posters have made a point of writing about their part. I know football has moved on and all players are athletes now but it hasn’t moved on so much that you drop someone who showed great endeavour and who did well. How many times have you read the teamsheet and though duck me, I can’t believe he dropped ( insert name) ?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 13:10:01 GMT
Not sure about the individuals mentioned but I think we obviously need to do something different in terms of defensive coaching, as I actually believe our defenders are not individually that bad. Certainly Lockyer, Sweeney and Broadbent all are classy on their day and we have plenty of good full back options on paper. With the correct organisation and shape I truly believe our defence can be a strong point, just as it was for most of the second half of last season. Yep of course, but was thinking about quality ex-Rovers players who played at the back and who might be interested ?? Both have been coaches/assistants too ! Twentyman has chosen his route & is doing very well at it. He’s done very well to be able to get the Ted’s onside and not moan about him being pro gas. I think he would only entertain it if the money was right and it was part time but I don’t see him as a viable option just now. He seems very happy where he is right now.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 6, 2017 13:20:51 GMT
Thank you for confirming my point. Virtually is not the same as actually. Please tell me two matches this season where the same players were employed - you won't be able to. I believe if we are to have a successful team we have to impose our selves on other teams - not be set up solely to react to other teams lineups. To your point re Smith - a goalkeeper is comfortable when he knows how each player in front of him will react to certain situations - if he is unsure then he will be at a disadvantage and mistakes will happen. My boy is 9 and a goalie and even he knows that!! Literally School boy stuff. For a keeper its less about the talent in front of him and more about knowing them and having a settled 4 in front of you. Do I come off my line? Um...oh no it's ok Leads will get back. Oh wait, Leads isn't playing this week. Oh bugger I let one in. Shall I come for that? nah, Broadbent dealt with that all last game. Oh wait, Sweeney is playing today. Oh sh**, did I just let another in? Don't agree personally
The keeper is the most important part. it shouldn't matter who is in the back line. because any set of defenders should know that the keeper either comes for everything, or nothing. It's easier to know what 1 man is going to do, what 1 man wants to do than the 3 or 4 in front
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 6, 2017 13:51:36 GMT
My boy is 9 and a goalie and even he knows that!! Literally School boy stuff. For a keeper its less about the talent in front of him and more about knowing them and having a settled 4 in front of you. Do I come off my line? Um...oh no it's ok Leads will get back. Oh wait, Leads isn't playing this week. Oh bugger I let one in. Shall I come for that? nah, Broadbent dealt with that all last game. Oh wait, Sweeney is playing today. Oh sh**, did I just let another in? Don't agree personally
The keeper is the most important part. it shouldn't matter who is in the back line. because any set of defenders should know that the keeper either comes for everything, or nothing. It's easier to know what 1 man is going to do, what 1 man wants to do than the 3 or 4 in front
In the main, yes a keeper commands his box but constantly chopping and changing the 4 in front of him is massively unsettling.
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