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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2017 0:26:26 GMT
I thought I would start a generic British politics thread now that Nobby isn't around to start them himself.
Things are rather interesting at the moment with Brexit negotiations, sex scandals, the Budget due soon, rumours of defence cuts before the year is out, resignations of Michael Fallon and Priti Patel (no, Pirate, please just no!) and probably much more.
How long will Teresa May be in charge for? Will Boris still be there after his rather unfortunate pronouncements and his dad going on 'I'm a celebrity'?
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 15, 2017 8:13:35 GMT
I never thought I`d live to see another PM as awful as Gordon Brown. But I have. Theresa May is a hopeless incompetent, bumbling her way from crisis to crisis. Will she cling on long enough to keep Vladimir Ilyich Corbyn out of office? Hard to see.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2017 12:44:11 GMT
Can't disagree William, although she did appear more self assured at PMQs today. Whilst I am no fan I do want her to stay as the thought of her possible replacements from within and across the benches doesn't increase my optimism.
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Post by barumgas on Nov 20, 2017 18:35:33 GMT
If Mrs May caves into the Brexit divorce bill as expected she will find herself on thin ice and several Tory MPs seeking her demise but who can do better. Rees Mogg could be an interesting choice
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Post by baggins on Nov 21, 2017 11:49:18 GMT
If Mrs May caves into the Brexit divorce bill as expected she will find herself on thin ice and several Tory MPs seeking her demise but who can do better. Rees Mogg could be an interesting choice Interesting as in?
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 21, 2017 12:54:34 GMT
If Mrs May caves into the Brexit divorce bill as expected she will find herself on thin ice and several Tory MPs seeking her demise but who can do better. Rees Mogg could be an interesting choice Interesting as in? I'd certainly add "" either side of the word. Personally I think whilst he has the possibility it would be unlikely, mainly because whoever is leader needs to have the support of the wider party otherwise they will end up like Labour with the core vote loving him but with no genuine support amongst the MPs and wider voters. Also, I think May will be in charge until the end of Brexit. With regards to the money, it's an amount I did expect as we initially offered £20bn and they wanted £60bn. Some won't like it but I suspect with the likes of Gove, Davies and Johnson having to publically agree it won't be too divisive within the party.
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Post by baggins on Nov 21, 2017 13:41:53 GMT
I'd certainly add "" either side of the word. Personally I think whilst he has the possibility it would be unlikely, mainly because whoever is leader needs to have the support of the wider party otherwise they will end up like Labour with the core vote loving him but with no genuine support amongst the MPs and wider voters. Also, I think May will be in charge until the end of Brexit. With regards to the money, it's an amount I did expect as we initially offered £20bn and they wanted £60bn. Some won't like it but I suspect with the likes of Gove, Davies and Johnson having to publically agree it won't be too divisive within the party. Dear God, Mogg, Boris, running the UK? I'm off.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 21, 2017 13:58:56 GMT
I'd certainly add "" either side of the word. Personally I think whilst he has the possibility it would be unlikely, mainly because whoever is leader needs to have the support of the wider party otherwise they will end up like Labour with the core vote loving him but with no genuine support amongst the MPs and wider voters. Also, I think May will be in charge until the end of Brexit. With regards to the money, it's an amount I did expect as we initially offered £20bn and they wanted £60bn. Some won't like it but I suspect with the likes of Gove, Davies and Johnson having to publically agree it won't be too divisive within the party. Dear God, Mogg, Boris, ruining the UK? I'm off. Corrected, free of charge 😀
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Post by jaggas on Nov 22, 2017 18:48:08 GMT
The Tories made a huge mistake going for T May instead of A Leadsom I said so at the time.Leadsom was part of the leave campaign and promised to trigger article 50 immediately unlike May who dithered for 9 months and allowed the money obsessed cockroaches of the EU get a plan together.
Now we are in a game of bluff with the 4TH Reich with May being spineless and weak she blinked first and it could cost the UK taxpayer billions of pounds.This is a really sorry state of affairs as the UK held all the aces at the start and after every round of talks our lot show their hand giving the leeches an idea of what we have.
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Post by baggins on Nov 23, 2017 11:11:58 GMT
The Tories made a huge mistake going for T May instead of A Leadsom I said so at the time.Leadsom was part of the leave campaign and promised to trigger article 50 immediately unlike May who dithered for 9 months and allowed the money obsessed cockroaches of the EU get a plan together. Now we are in a game of bluff with the 4TH Reich with May being spineless and weak she blinked first and it could cost the UK taxpayer billions of pounds.This is a really sorry state of affairs as the UK held all the aces at the start and after every round of talks our lot show their hand giving the leeches an idea of what we have. Cameron made the mistake of holding the referendum in the first place to try and unite his crumbling party. And it backfired. Now look at us. Great.
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Post by axegas on Nov 23, 2017 12:04:46 GMT
The Tories made a huge mistake going for T May instead of A Leadsom I said so at the time.Leadsom was part of the leave campaign and promised to trigger article 50 immediately unlike May who dithered for 9 months and allowed the money obsessed cockroaches of the EU get a plan together. Now we are in a game of bluff with the 4TH Reich with May being spineless and weak she blinked first and it could cost the UK taxpayer billions of pounds.This is a really sorry state of affairs as the UK held all the aces at the start and after every round of talks our lot show their hand giving the leeches an idea of what we have. At least the "4th" Reich have problems of their own to sort out. Merkels coalition talks collapsed, gives us a bit more power in the negotiations as i'd imagine they would want to get Brexit out the way as soon as possible. Is no deal better than a costly one? I honestly don't know, there is too many variables to contend with.
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Post by inee on Nov 24, 2017 11:57:51 GMT
We hold all the aces, a few german car makers have already said they will suffer if they cant trade with us, to be honest i'd rather we traded with china and had the benefits we get from buying from the eu, what really gets my goat is the eu's insistence that we pay so much for leaving, we should pay our subs up to our leaving date and no more, Lets face it if you bought a car and the manufacturer wanted you to pay loads more than the value of the car when you got another one, saying that was what you owed due to changing brands,then quite rightly the manufacture would be done for fraud etc, but the 1000 year Reich want just that,. Lets face it if the eu struggles or collapses when one member leaves then that should be all you need to know about how stable the eu really is. It matters not a jot who is negotiating our leaving ,who ever does the job will never never be thanked for it however it ended up , at least May is not doing a Cameron by running away even the jam foresaw cameron What a catalyst you turned out to be Loaded the guns then you run off home for your tea Left me(may) standing, like a guilty (naughty) schoolboy(girl)
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Post by jaggas on Nov 24, 2017 22:27:08 GMT
Eton Rifles.................love it inee and your post is spot on.
Baggins you cannot blame Cameron as UKIP`s rising popularity and huge share of the vote at the election before last forced Camerons hand on the EU and a referendum was inevitable.Camerons only mistake was campaigning to remain after the plums of the EU called his bluff after going to them with a mandate for an in out referendum.If Cameron had told the British public how difficult the EU were to deal with and he advocated leave he would be the most powerful man in Europe now with a mandate and a monster majority in the commons.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 6, 2017 23:13:38 GMT
DUP scupper phase 1 agreements, porn on the deputy PM's work computer and a failed assassination attempt on the PM. Interesting times.
Anyway, who's watching I'm a celebrity....?
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Post by aghast on Dec 7, 2017 14:59:10 GMT
A PM with no majority, trying to negotiate a Brexit deal which gives us access to the customs union and preserves the soft border with the Republic, gets into a pact with the hard-line anti-Republican pro-Brexit DUP.
You reap what you sow.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 8, 2017 21:37:47 GMT
"Due regard" to the ECJ, "Regulatory alignment", seems linguistic gymnastics is alive and well. At least we can move to the next stage now.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 8, 2017 21:41:32 GMT
I see Boris is off to Iran, I wonder if he is looking for a PR coup with Nazanin Zagari-Ratcliffe looking for help.
In other news, the Defence Secretary has been busy with budget, new ship and terrorist thoughts in the press and Momentum is under investigation whilst new stories about deselection come out. Also, Labour are on an election footing, expecting a new election in the spring.
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Post by devonblue on Dec 8, 2017 22:27:53 GMT
This whole Brexit thing is going to end very badly, the latest agreement just delays the agony. I can see Ireland border issue pulling the Govt down in the next 6 months.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 9, 2017 22:33:16 GMT
This whole Brexit thing is going to end very badly, the latest agreement just delays the agony. I can see Ireland border issue pulling the Govt down in the next 6 months. Just after the result, Aghast and I both agreed that we were in for a few years of political turmoil after which we would end up with a watered down version of what we already had. Whilst there have been times I thought we could go "hard brexit" nothing has happened so far to make me change my mind and losing her majority may actually have forced Mrs May to tone down her red lines. Still a ling way to go, next will be the transition deal then move onto actual trade talks.
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