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Post by paulpirate on Nov 20, 2017 22:21:33 GMT
Quite a few reasons why I think it's stupid. 1) you ask what Simon Grayson is up to 2) you say dc has been sussed out 3) you say dc isn't clever enough to sort it. Hugely disrespectful to the man who pretty much single handily brought the club back from oblivion. I stick to what I said , fans are well within their rights to question dc's decisions on set up / formation and selection but to suggest some of the things you have put is well wide of the mark , I mean Simon Grayson for Christ sake , really ? i agree and don’t want him to go,I do feel he’s a bit overrated though Scraped through the playoffs on pens we had our luck that day,and the last kick of the season got promoted to l1 He’s had a lot of luck along the way,maybe that has ran out I rkn he needs someone with more experience along side him and let ms concentrate on the forwards |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 20, 2017 22:22:02 GMT
Quite a few reasons why I think it's stupid. 1) you ask what Simon Grayson is up to 2) you say dc has been sussed out 3) you say dc isn't clever enough to sort it. Hugely disrespectful to the man who pretty much single handily brought the club back from oblivion. I stick to what I said , fans are well within their rights to question dc's decisions on set up / formation and selection but to suggest some of the things you have put is well wide of the mark , I mean Simon Grayson for Christ sake , really ? So, apart from going off on a dummy spitting rant, how do you answer you own questions? Discuss and demonstrate why DC hasn't been Sussed out discuss and demonstrate how DC has proven he is clever enough to sort the problems manifested over the last 9 games I believe Simon Grayson got both Leeds and PNE promoted from this league. I'm not being disrespectful to anyone. I am discussing what I think is going wrong at the moment. I'm expressing my opinion. I believe I'm entitled to do so without unwarranted insult. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 20, 2017 22:43:11 GMT
These rumours always end up on the two FB pages and then some morons start tagging Wael in them. There are way more active users on there than here. And who, in any position of power or authority at the club, give a flying f uck what is written on Facebook? Having had a read of it, it's even more preposterous than this forum. Surely any normal business takes note of what is posted on social media? Anyway back to the game has anybody been brave enough to watch the YouTube highlights, we could easily have lost 5-1 and it seems bar his goal Brown had the only other decent shot on goal, although pretty sure Nichols had a decent shot saved during the match. Our defending was poor and given we created so few chances so were our strikers. I really do wonder what's gone at the club and really wonder whether DC will be able to turn things around, perhaps he doesn't even want to! |
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Nov 20, 2017 22:48:30 GMT
One thing that does bug me with D.C. why does he not give Telford Gaffney for example string of games??? .biggest problem last 9 games we not just had 2/3 players having poor games but 6/7 every game
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Post by pirate on Nov 20, 2017 22:50:41 GMT
And who, in any position of power or authority at the club, give a flying f uck what is written on Facebook? Having had a read of it, it's even more preposterous than this forum. Surely any normal business takes note of what is posted on social media? Anyway back to the game has anybody been brave enough to watch the YouTube highlights, we could easily have lost 5-1 and it seems bar his goal Brown had the only other decent shot on goal, although pretty sure Nichols had a decent shot saved during the match. Our defending was poor and given we created so few chances so were our strikers. I really do wonder what's gone at the club and really wonder whether DC will be able to turn things around, perhaps he doesn't even want to! We could've and probably should've been 6 or 7-0 down...and that was just at half time!!! |
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 20, 2017 22:53:23 GMT
And who, in any position of power or authority at the club, give a flying f uck what is written on Facebook? Having had a read of it, it's even more preposterous than this forum. Surely any normal business takes note of what is posted on social media? Anyway back to the game has anybody been brave enough to watch the YouTube highlights, we could easily have lost 5-1 and it seems bar his goal Brown had the only other decent shot on goal, although pretty sure Nichols had a decent shot saved during the match. Our defending was poor and given we created so few chances so were our strikers. I really do wonder what's gone at the club and really wonder whether DC will be able to turn things around, perhaps he doesn't even want to! 3 good goals,the third one was brilliant control he won’t score one like that again for a while The daft thing is they missed all the easy chances they had |
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Post by pirate on Nov 20, 2017 23:01:43 GMT
Surely any normal business takes note of what is posted on social media? Anyway back to the game has anybody been brave enough to watch the YouTube highlights, we could easily have lost 5-1 and it seems bar his goal Brown had the only other decent shot on goal, although pretty sure Nichols had a decent shot saved during the match. Our defending was poor and given we created so few chances so were our strikers. I really do wonder what's gone at the club and really wonder whether DC will be able to turn things around, perhaps he doesn't even want to! 3 good goals,the third one was brilliant control he won’t score one like that again for a while The daft thing is they missed all the easy chances they had Good control and finish, but a shocking goal to concede from our point of view. A big punt forward, one touch and the second touch into the back of the net. On second viewing the first goal was worse than I first thought and appalling defending from Leadbitter, Lockyer and Broadbent. Even the second was bad defending from Sercs and Brown allowing Forrester the space to get the shot off, although in the end it was a good strike. |
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Post by Okebournegas on Nov 20, 2017 23:20:25 GMT
Quite a few reasons why I think it's stupid. 1) you ask what Simon Grayson is up to 2) you say dc has been sussed out 3) you say dc isn't clever enough to sort it. Hugely disrespectful to the man who pretty much single handily brought the club back from oblivion. I stick to what I said , fans are well within their rights to question dc's decisions on set up / formation and selection but to suggest some of the things you have put is well wide of the mark , I mean Simon Grayson for Christ sake , really ? So, apart from going off on a dummy spitting rant, how do you answer you own questions? Discuss and demonstrate why DC hasn't been Sussed out discuss and demonstrate how DC has proven he is clever enough to sort the problems manifested over the last 9 games I believe Simon Grayson got both Leeds and PNE promoted from this league. I'm not being disrespectful to anyone. I am discussing what I think is going wrong at the moment. I'm expressing my opinion. I believe I'm entitled to do so without unwarranted insult. Dummy spitting rant ? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You were the one talking utter bollox in the first place my man, records speak for themselves mate and our form prior to this first ever real blip under dc has been exceptional and we had one of the best home records in the country. individual mistakes are what is costing us at the moment not being "sussed" out as you like to say. Again you keep mentioning Grayson , how can I take you seriously when you say his name. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 23:52:27 GMT
So did dc say to his centre-halves "make sure you let taylor make you look stupid today lads" did he say "linesy mate can you make sure every pass is floated in the air to make sure our opponents can win it" Did he say to ollie clarke "make sure you hardly touch the ball or tackle anyone today ollie" I think more than one person were involved in todays debacle myself. I shouldn't think so, no. However, he is the man who takes the training sessions every day, and therefore the person who sets the team up and gives them their game plan instructions. I would have thought that, having managed the team against Wimbledon 4 times over the past 2 seasons he would have been aware of how they play, and also Taylor's propensity for bullying centre backs. He also had the inside knowledge of Sweeney to call on. DC is quick enough to claim the credit when things are going well, and has to stand up when things aren't going so well. This he is doing. your post is simplistic in the extreme. In the same vein I don't suppose he gave Ollie those instructions. He knows how he has been playing lately, and should be in a position to replace him. As a result of not doing enough of the right business in the summer he isn't able to replace him in the team. That's down to one person only, the same person who spunked £350k on Nicholls. He also had Sercombe and Sinclair on the wings. He got rid of Montano and kept the useless Moore, and didn't sign any wingers, that's down to one person. I don't get the point of your post, except sarcasm for sarcasms sake. Point im trying to make is the best laid plans can be ruined by very poor individual errors and a team devoid of confidence. Obviously the ultimate responsibility for the team rests with the manager and he will get the sack if this run continues. Sweeney i would argue has been as poor as anyone in the squad this season so i see no compelling reason for picking him. The recruiting didnt go to plan but i have an opinion the owners played a part in that but thats a whole new/old topic. Before the season started i suggested the recruitment had not got to plan but you disagreed?? |
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Nov 21, 2017 0:03:21 GMT
I shouldn't think so, no. However, he is the man who takes the training sessions every day, and therefore the person who sets the team up and gives them their game plan instructions. I would have thought that, having managed the team against Wimbledon 4 times over the past 2 seasons he would have been aware of how they play, and also Taylor's propensity for bullying centre backs. He also had the inside knowledge of Sweeney to call on. DC is quick enough to claim the credit when things are going well, and has to stand up when things aren't going so well. This he is doing. your post is simplistic in the extreme. In the same vein I don't suppose he gave Ollie those instructions. He knows how he has been playing lately, and should be in a position to replace him. As a result of not doing enough of the right business in the summer he isn't able to replace him in the team. That's down to one person only, the same person who spunked £350k on Nicholls. He also had Sercombe and Sinclair on the wings. He got rid of Montano and kept the useless Moore, and didn't sign any wingers, that's down to one person. I don't get the point of your post, except sarcasm for sarcasms sake. Point im trying to make is the best laid plans can be ruined by very poor individual errors and a team devoid of confidence. Obviously the ultimate responsibility for the team rests with the manager and he will get the sack if this run continues. Sweeney i would argue has been as poor as anyone in the squad this season so i see no compelling reason for picking him. The recruiting didnt go to plan but i have an opinion the owners played a part in that but thats a whole new/old topic. what we don't know is were there players we were after that we did not get. If DC failed to sign other targets and has had to make do with what he has then he will and should be allowed to stay |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 0:14:14 GMT
Point im trying to make is the best laid plans can be ruined by very poor individual errors and a team devoid of confidence. Obviously the ultimate responsibility for the team rests with the manager and he will get the sack if this run continues. Sweeney i would argue has been as poor as anyone in the squad this season so i see no compelling reason for picking him. The recruiting didnt go to plan but i have an opinion the owners played a part in that but thats a whole new/old topic. what we don't know is were there players we were after that we did not get. If DC failed to sign other targets and has had to make do with what he has then he will and should be allowed to stay Well dc clearly stated he wanted a defensive midfield player and a left winger so i would suggest they were on his list. We dont have a left winger at the club and only ollie clarke is an out and out defensive midfield player[sinclair i would argue is a roving nuisance not a holding player]. These non signings have impacted our season without a doubt though our weakest area has been at centre-back imo. |
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Nov 21, 2017 0:17:36 GMT
what we don't know is were there players we were after that we did not get. If DC failed to sign other targets and has had to make do with what he has then he will and should be allowed to stay Well dc clearly stated he wanted a defensive midfield player and a left winger so i would suggest they were on his list. We dont have a left winger at the club and only ollie clarke is an out and out defensive midfield player[sinclair i would argue is a roving nuisance not a holding player]. These non signings have impacted our season without a doubt though our weakest area has been at centre-back imo. Agree that the non-signings have cost us dear ~ would love to know who we were after |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 21, 2017 5:55:42 GMT
These rumours always end up on the two FB pages and then some morons start tagging Wael in them. There are way more active users on there than here. And who, in any position of power or authority at the club, give a flying f uck what is written on Facebook? Having had a read of it, it's even more preposterous than this forum. So you're happy with people releasing completely unfounded rumours which a decent minority of the fanbase believe and you think that won't have an effect on atmosphere? If you think the last few weeks of all talk and no substance had had zero effect on the mood of the fanbase then to use a famous phrase - wake up and smell the coffee. I never said Wael gives a sh** either, just that people seem to have started tagging him in conversations about said rumours. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 7:00:48 GMT
Leaving aside the loan players there are 4/5 contracted players that have not turned up this season and IMO the team will need to be broken up completely and the players with contracts expiring at the end of the season should be released. They are clearly not good enough for this standard of football. The question in my mind is - does DC have the capability (ability) to rebuild completely, a team good enough to compete at this level? I'm not convinced personally that he has.
The problem I'm having, is understanding why all these players have become poor players at the same time - we will all have our own opinions on that one - the fact that DC had to ask the question suggests to me that things aren't what they should be in 'the dressing room. If that's the case unfortunately DC has no chance and action will need to be taken sooner rather than later - if we lose the next two matches his position could be become untenable - the future of the club (on the playing side) is much more important than one man and whilst he is highly rated (quite rightly) by many, there comes a time when difficult decisions have to be taken.
The performance on Saturday against a team lying 21st in the league and weakened by injuries was embarrassing - we were shown how to play basic football and this following equally poor performances against teams in a lower division. The team at the moment is looking more like (at best) a mid table 2nd Division team and if things are allowed to carry on as they are, that's where we are heading - sentiment may have to be put aside, however difficult that is for some to stomach.
Before last Saturday I felt that DC should be given until the end of the season to turn things around - as things stand now I'm not so sure he will be able to do that - particularly if one or two of our better players are allowed leave in the January window. A difficult decision - 'stick or twist' - despite what I've said here - my heart says 'stick' - my head will say 'twist' if we lose the next two.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Nov 21, 2017 7:37:01 GMT
Quite a few reasons why I think it's stupid. 1) you ask what Simon Grayson is up to 2) you say dc has been sussed out 3) you say dc isn't clever enough to sort it. Hugely disrespectful to the man who pretty much single handily brought the club back from oblivion. I stick to what I said , fans are well within their rights to question dc's decisions on set up / formation and selection but to suggest some of the things you have put is well wide of the mark , I mean Simon Grayson for Christ sake , really ? i agree and don’t want him to go,I do feel he’s a bit overrated though Scraped through the playoffs on pens we had our luck that day,and the last kick of the season got promoted to l1 He’s had a lot of luck along the way,maybe that has ran out I rkn he needs someone with more experience along side him and let ms concentrate on the forwards How can you be luckily promoted ? Over 46 games you finish where you deserve to finish we might have rode our luck a touch at Wembley but the table shows we were the 2nd best team in the league just as we were the 3rd best in league 2. |
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Post by socrates on Nov 21, 2017 7:37:06 GMT
Terrible first half display. It's not an exaggeration to say we could've been 4-0 down after 25 minutes and 6-0 at half time and would've been if it wasn't for a couple of decent saves from Smith and some shocking finishing. The way Wimbledon breezed through our midfield and defence with ease at times was embarrassing. Broadbent was poor today with a couple lapses in concentration that could've proved costly, but Lockyer was even worse - the first goal was far too easy with Locks and Leads at fault allowing Barcham through virtually unchallenged, although to be fair to him in the end he finished the goal well with a lovely dink over Smith. The second goal was a quality finish from a quality player in Forrester, but he was allowed to cut inside far too easily for my liking. The third goal was schoolboy stuff - a large punt forward, one touch and the second in the back of the net. Shocking defending, again Lockyer's side. With Sincs narrow on the right side and Sercs on the left, the lack of width and wingers was there for all to see. Not to mention the lack of a genuine quality defensive midfielder to shield the back four in the side which is proving costly. We need to add quality to the side - a winger (or two), a defensive midfielder, a centre back and a goalscorer. January can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned. I didn't go today but have a couple of thoughts Why don't we play with wing-backs to give us some width? You mentioned Broadbent was poor is that anything to do with Lockyer and his lack of form or does Broadbent perhaps get nervous next to the captain? Twice recently he has had decent games alongside Rollin or is it the opposition? All valid points but the biggest question from me is why didn’t we start with our most prolific striker this season and instead we play a striker who’s scored one goal and played many more games ? Especially when Gafney has scored all but one of his goals at home this season. But yeah like you said Broadbent and Mayo should have started , they’ve conceded one goal I n two games alongside each other this season but Lockyer comes back in to the side , has a nightmare and we concede 3 Goals. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 8:21:46 GMT
And who, in any position of power or authority at the club, give a flying f uck what is written on Facebook? Having had a read of it, it's even more preposterous than this forum. So you're happy with people releasing completely unfounded rumours which a decent minority of the fanbase believe and you think that won't have an effect on atmosphere? If you think the last few weeks of all talk and no substance had had zero effect on the mood of the fanbase then to use a famous phrase - wake up and smell the coffee. I never said Wael gives a sh** either, just that people seem to have started tagging him in conversations about said rumours. Good post. And yesterday the club released a statement denying rumours started yesterday on social media that DC had left the club! As far as I am concerned the likes of twitter, Facebook etc are like a club for old wives tales! |
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 21, 2017 18:12:21 GMT
i agree and don’t want him to go,I do feel he’s a bit overrated though Scraped through the playoffs on pens we had our luck that day,and the last kick of the season got promoted to l1 He’s had a lot of luck along the way,maybe that has ran out I rkn he needs someone with more experience along side him and let ms concentrate on the forwards How can you be luckily promoted ? Over 46 games you finish where you deserve to finish we might have rode our luck a touch at Wembley but the table shows we were the 2nd best team in the league just as we were the 3rd best in league 2. last kick of both games worrel,I would say that’s very lucky I’m not complaining 😊👌 |
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Post by socrates on Nov 21, 2017 18:30:24 GMT
How can you be luckily promoted ? Over 46 games you finish where you deserve to finish we might have rode our luck a touch at Wembley but the table shows we were the 2nd best team in the league just as we were the 3rd best in league 2. last kick of both games worrel,I would say that’s very lucky I’m not complaining 😊👌 Your not lucky over 46 games you deserve what you get. 3 seasons is 138 games there’s nothing remotely lucky about that. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Nov 21, 2017 19:00:07 GMT
How can you be luckily promoted ? Over 46 games you finish where you deserve to finish we might have rode our luck a touch at Wembley but the table shows we were the 2nd best team in the league just as we were the 3rd best in league 2. last kick of both games worrel,I would say that’s very lucky I’m not complaining 😊👌 You could also argue it's not luck to score all 5 pens in a pressure situation and we absolutely battered Dagenham if that game had been in Sept we'd have called it a deserved victory. Like you I'm not complaining 😊👍 |
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