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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 19:02:14 GMT
Lucky promotions?
Apart from dc"s 2 lucky promotions,paul trollope"s was very lucky as we only just scraped into the play-offs and bert tanns 1953 promotion team were dead lucky to scrape home by 2 points.
Who needs bristol city fans to put down our small number of achievements when our own fans can do it very well eh?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 19:04:03 GMT
Leaving aside the loan players there are 4/5 contracted players that have not turned up this season and IMO the team will need to be broken up completely and the players with contracts expiring at the end of the season should be released. They are clearly not good enough for this standard of football. The question in my mind is - does DC have the capability (ability) to rebuild completely, a team good enough to compete at this level? I'm not convinced personally that he has. The problem I'm having, is understanding why all these players have become poor players at the same time - we will all have our own opinions on that one - the fact that DC had to ask the question suggests to me that things aren't what they should be in 'the dressing room. If that's the case unfortunately DC has no chance and action will need to be taken sooner rather than later - if we lose the next two matches his position could be become untenable - the future of the club (on the playing side) is much more important than one man and whilst he is highly rated (quite rightly) by many, there comes a time when difficult decisions have to be taken. The performance on Saturday against a team lying 21st in the league and weakened by injuries was embarrassing - we were shown how to play basic football and this following equally poor performances against teams in a lower division. The team at the moment is looking more like (at best) a mid table 2nd Division team and if things are allowed to carry on as they are, that's where we are heading - sentiment may have to be put aside, however difficult that is for some to stomach. Before last Saturday I felt that DC should be given until the end of the season to turn things around - as things stand now I'm not so sure he will be able to do that - particularly if one or two of our better players are allowed leave in the January window. A difficult decision - 'stick or twist' - despite what I've said here - my heart says 'stick' - my head will say 'twist' if we lose the next two. The valid point you highlight well is how long can a run of defeats be allowed to continue before changes are sought by the owners ? D.C. has a lot of credit in the bank as even if relegated the club would still be a higher division than when in the conference. The most important thing was to get out of the conference. However unending defeats wont be acceptable from a business point of view as crowds will drop drastically. The January window is 7 games away. If the highest placed relegation clubs are getting an average of a point a game....they will be on 25 pts (ish) come the end of December. So Rovers will need the minimum of one win and one draw (and five defeats) to not be in the drop zone come January. However with all the clubs except rovers playing tonight it could be that defeat at Blackburn could see the club in the drop zone with 1 win and 9 defeats from 10 games. Would the owners want a new man in before January ? so he could be able to bring players in to turn things around ?
Hopefully D.C. will sort it out this weekend and results will come good again. Then he can bring in players January to take the club forward.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2017 19:23:08 GMT
"could see the club in the drop zone with 1 win and 9 defeats from 10 games" I know we're on a poor run but since when did cup games count as league games, as at the moment the run is 1 win and 5 defeats form 6 league games. DC's crunch games are probably the two upcoming home games v Rotherham & D, as he clearly needs at least one win from those two games otherwise it will be 1 win from 10 league games.
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 21, 2017 19:36:48 GMT
last kick of both games worrel,I would say that’s very lucky I’m not complaining 😊👌 Your not lucky over 46 games you deserve what you get. 3 seasons is 138 games there’s nothing remotely lucky about that. but comparing to wilder,Northampton champions,Sheffield Utd champions,Sheffield Utd top2 championship You could say he got more money at shef u but there is a lot more pressure there too I think without help dc is l1 manager and made right decision not to go to Leeds nutty chairman or not,he’s got nobody to learn from with us and will do well to keep us up the way we’re playing |
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Post by socrates on Nov 21, 2017 20:31:00 GMT
I honestly still think that if he’s given the transfer window we’ll be ok.
He’s always done good business in January so I’m prepared to see what he can do i just hope the majority of our fan base and our board do to.
I think he’s earned that right from his fantastic success with us.
But in today’s game you never know.
If we lose to Blackburn and then Rotherham I wouldn’t be surprised if he was sacked, just disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 20:43:29 GMT
Your not lucky over 46 games you deserve what you get. 3 seasons is 138 games there’s nothing remotely lucky about that. but comparing to wilder,Northampton champions,Sheffield Utd champions,Sheffield Utd top2 championship You could say he got more money at shef u but there is a lot more pressure there too I think without help dc is l1 manager and made right decision not to go to Leeds nutty chairman or not,he’s got nobody to learn from with us and will do well to keep us up the way we’re playing Your mistake there is suggesting that we have the pulling power, facilities, resources of Sheffield United. Its the equivalent of a Braintree fan complaining that they only got to the play-offs in the Conference a couple of years back, citing us as an example of a team they should be emulating. We play in a run down rugby ground, and people should learn from the sacking of LL followed by PT that Bristol Rovers can't attract big name managers for L1 level in our current guise. |
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Post by pucklegas on Nov 21, 2017 20:50:30 GMT
I honestly still think that if he’s given the transfer window we’ll be ok. He’s always done good business in January so I’m prepared to see what he can do i just hope the majority of our fan base and our board do to. I think he’s earned that right from his fantastic success with us. But in today’s game you never know. If we lose to Blackburn and then Rotherham I wouldn’t be surprised if he was sacked, just disappointed. We cannot afford to sack him as he has over four years to go on the deal, think he’s realised that he never recruited well in the summer, and will rectify that in January provided Wael or Hani give him some cash. Too many are off their game Ellis and Sercs are two who have done well, but what infuriates me is seeing Gaffers on the wing crossing the ball, at least Monty was an outlet, and we never replaced him. |
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 21, 2017 20:55:58 GMT
but comparing to wilder,Northampton champions,Sheffield Utd champions,Sheffield Utd top2 championship You could say he got more money at shef u but there is a lot more pressure there too I think without help dc is l1 manager and made right decision not to go to Leeds nutty chairman or not,he’s got nobody to learn from with us and will do well to keep us up the way we’re playing Your mistake there is suggesting that we have the pulling power, facilities, resources of Sheffield United. Its the equivalent of a Braintree fan complaining that they only got to the play-offs in the Conference a couple of years back, citing us as an example of a team they should be emulating. We play in a run down rugby ground, and people should learn from the sacking of LL followed by PT that Bristol Rovers can't attract big name managers for L1 level in our current guise. northampton have ? |
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Post by aghast on Nov 21, 2017 21:01:01 GMT
Your mistake there is suggesting that we have the pulling power, facilities, resources of Sheffield United. Its the equivalent of a Braintree fan complaining that they only got to the play-offs in the Conference a couple of years back, citing us as an example of a team they should be emulating. We play in a run down rugby ground, and people should learn from the sacking of LL followed by PT that Bristol Rovers can't attract big name managers for L1 level in our current guise. northampton have ? He's a big name player, not manager. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2017 21:06:38 GMT
but comparing to wilder,Northampton champions,Sheffield Utd champions,Sheffield Utd top2 championship You could say he got more money at shef u but there is a lot more pressure there too I think without help dc is l1 manager and made right decision not to go to Leeds nutty chairman or not,he’s got nobody to learn from with us and will do well to keep us up the way we’re playing Your mistake there is suggesting that we have the pulling power, facilities, resources of Sheffield United. Its the equivalent of a Braintree fan complaining that they only got to the play-offs in the Conference a couple of years back, citing us as an example of a team they should be emulating. We play in a run down rugby ground, and people should learn from the sacking of LL followed by PT that Bristol Rovers can't attract big name managers for L1 level in our current guise. Not sure what point the OP's trying to make by choosing one exceptional spell by one manager doesn't really mean anything, what about the other 44 lower league managers? Looking at LJ at the 82er's last season and Hasslebank at Northampton this season it seems it is possible for a manager to turn around long losing streaks. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 22:11:12 GMT
Your mistake there is suggesting that we have the pulling power, facilities, resources of Sheffield United. Its the equivalent of a Braintree fan complaining that they only got to the play-offs in the Conference a couple of years back, citing us as an example of a team they should be emulating. We play in a run down rugby ground, and people should learn from the sacking of LL followed by PT that Bristol Rovers can't attract big name managers for L1 level in our current guise. northampton have ? Dont forget we came up from the conference when we got promoted in league 2,back to back promotions is a very special achievement. Name all the rovers and city managers who have got back to back promotions in their histories if you can? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2017 22:39:53 GMT
Dont forget we came up from the conference when we got promoted in league 2,back to back promotions is a very special achievement. Name all the rovers and city managers who have got back to back promotions in their histories if you can? But that will count for nothing if we get relegated season, it's here and now that matters not what we achieved over 12 months ago. Look at WBA as a prime example, finished safely in mid table last season this season Pulis has already been sacked! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 23:07:05 GMT
Dont forget we came up from the conference when we got promoted in league 2,back to back promotions is a very special achievement. Name all the rovers and city managers who have got back to back promotions in their histories if you can? But that will count for nothing if we get relegated season, it's here and now that matters not what we achieved over 12 months ago. Look at WBA as a prime example, finished safely in mid table last season this season Pulis has already been sacked! Yes thats true but why would anyone try to downgrade whats hes done before this season? People who are critical should just stick to whats happening now not play down the managers previous achievements. Great managers like lee clarke,john sheridan or maybe gary johnson are all waiting in the wings so theres no need to feel down. We could even get simon grayson with a £4m wage budget and a transfer wedge which im sure our owners are willing to provide so lets all stay optmistic. |
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 22, 2017 6:30:44 GMT
Dont forget we came up from the conference when we got promoted in league 2,back to back promotions is a very special achievement. Name all the rovers and city managers who have got back to back promotions in their histories if you can? name all the rovers managers that have managed us in the conference |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Nov 22, 2017 7:33:48 GMT
Dont forget we came up from the conference when we got promoted in league 2,back to back promotions is a very special achievement. Name all the rovers and city managers who have got back to back promotions in their histories if you can? name all the rovers managers that have managed us in the conference There's only 1 & that's because he got us out of it at the FIRST attempt, if he hadn't & you'd asked this question in 5 years time it could well have been a long list |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 8:58:18 GMT
Dont forget we came up from the conference when we got promoted in league 2,back to back promotions is a very special achievement. Name all the rovers and city managers who have got back to back promotions in their histories if you can? name all the rovers managers that have managed us in the conference Just one and thank god it was darrell clarke. |
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Post by Marshy on Nov 22, 2017 9:02:25 GMT
I thought it was Chesney Hawkes?
I am the one and only.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 22, 2017 11:07:03 GMT
I thought it was Chesney Hawkes? I am the one and only. Can I have a look at your record collection ? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 22, 2017 11:10:19 GMT
I thought it was Chesney Hawkes? I am the one and only. Can I have a look at your record collection ? Do they still have such things ? BTW i have a very big one if you want to see it.....  |
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Post by markczgas on Nov 22, 2017 11:14:06 GMT
Can I have a look at your record collection ? Do they still have such things ? BTW i have a very big one if you want to see it..... you've made me blush Henbury ! and the answer is yes but only if you've got "great balls of fire". |
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