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Post by twertonboy on Nov 19, 2017 14:03:35 GMT
I don't see the issues at the club really being down to infrastructure?
so what does Shrewsbury have we don't?
their top of the league and average attendance 4000?
ours is double that?
yes our training facilities aren't great but suddenly our second year in league one and we aren't doing as good as last year and that's to blame???
burton Albion another club in the championship with low attendance and still surviving at a top level
yes I know we need it to push on but because the stadium isn't going forward and new training ground on hold it seems to be blamed for the results on the pitch..
£250,000 for Nichols was a big waste of money and a panic buy in my opinion
dc hasn't got many contacts due to lack of management at this level and experience with other clubs,
he only has qpr because of Ollie and stoke because of Gerry,
wimbledon fans we laughing on twitter about us blaming this on our run as they have worst than ours
i think a lot of it is dc hasn't got the contacts or knowledge of players that's right for us and the future...
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 19, 2017 14:19:45 GMT
Shrewsbury have a better stadium than us, it wouldn't surprise me if they've got far better training facilities than us too.
Burton have far superior facilities than us, they have(or use) the best training complex in the country at St Georges Park.
Our ground and infrastructure is strictly Non League and has been for over 30 years which DC was right to mention that we are 30 years behind the times, just because we get 8,000 or so through the turnstiles means nothing if our set up is sh*t. Footballs moved on and we sadly haven't, we are still Rag Bag Rovers, and quite frankly its embarrassing.
DC is a victim of his own success, and he's been incredibly loyal to the players that got us here which is a good thing but those players cant keep overachieving every season, I think DC has decided that some of these players cannot improve anymore and in order for us to progress need to be replaced.
I expect big changes between January and August next year.
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Post by baggins on Nov 19, 2017 14:20:45 GMT
Shrewsbury have a better stadium than us, it wouldn't surprise me if they've got far better training facilities than us too. Burton have far superior facilities than us, they have(or use) the best training complex in the country at St Georges Park. Our ground and infrastructure is strictly Non League and has been for over 30 years which DC was right to mention that we are 30 years behind the times, just because we get 8,000 or so through the turnstiles means nothing if our set up is sh*t. Footballs moved on and we sadly haven't, we are still Rag Bag Rovers, and quite frankly its embarrassing. DC is a victim of his own success, and he's been incredibly loyal to the players that got us here which is a good thing but those players cant keep overachieving every season, I think DC has decided that some of these players cannot improve anymore and in order for us to progress need to be replaced. I expect big changes between January and August next year. Let's hope so. |
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Post by rusho'gas on Nov 19, 2017 14:23:31 GMT
Shrewsbury: Relatively new ground and a revamped training facility to start with. Close to the Midlands and closer to the North West, able to pick up talent disgarded by the championship clubs in that area.............is that a start?
It's not about how big your fan base is, it's about building a structure to move forward, just like any other business.
Oh, and the manager doing a good job, taking over an ailing side and rejuvenating in it. Just like DC did.................
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 14:27:56 GMT
Shrewsbury have a better stadium than us, it wouldn't surprise me if they've got far better training facilities than us too. Burton have far superior facilities than us, they have(or use) the best training complex in the country at St Georges Park. Our ground and infrastructure is strictly Non League and has been for over 30 years which DC was right to mention that we are 30 years behind the times, just because we get 8,000 or so through the turnstiles means nothing if our set up is sh*t. Footballs moved on and we sadly haven't, we are still Rag Bag Rovers, and quite frankly its embarrassing. DC is a victim of his own success, and he's been incredibly loyal to the players that got us here which is a good thing but those players cant keep overachieving every season, I think DC has decided that some of these players cannot improve anymore and in order for us to progress need to be replaced. I expect big changes between January and August next year. Agree totally. The Mem would have been great back in the promotion season...not a few years back or 2007 but 1989/90 ! Even then like most clubs of the time Rovers would have been looking to make it allseater.
D.C. is a loyal person and gives everyone the maximum chance to develop . Its probably now sunk home that too many of the players are playing beyond their comfortable level. A few could have been carried along but not half the squad. D.C. and the players will need to have some hard heart to heart talks to discuss the futures of a few loyal honest hardworking but not quite skilful enough players.
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Post by pirate on Nov 19, 2017 14:28:16 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2017 17:45:50 GMT
But you highlighted on another thread we lacked a Chief Scout, isn't one of those and a team of scouts part of the "infrastructure". I assume SH dealt with all the transfer deals, if so, when did he actually deal with agents etc before joining Rovers as Chairman, a decade or so ago? |
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Post by pirate on Nov 19, 2017 17:56:40 GMT
But you highlighted on another thread we lacked a Chief Scout, isn't one of those and a team of scouts part of the "infrastructure". I assume SH dealt with all the transfer deals, if so, when did he actually deal with agents etc before joining Rovers as Chairman, a decade or so ago? I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. I'm of the opinion that the 'infrastructure' could and should be improved, scouts etc, but wouldn't blame that solely for our poor league position. There are many factors. Hamer was Swansea chairman from from 1997 to 2000. |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 19, 2017 18:03:22 GMT
While the poor infrastructure is a problem in terms of us being able to push on and reach the Championship - or at least sustain ourselves in it - the main issue atm is that the fanbase feels deflated and let down IMO.
There was so much promise at the start of the summer as to how much ambition we’d show in the transfer window, UWE was still a possibility, the training ground application had gone in etc.
Here we are a few months on and we’ve had an underwhelming (and incomplete) summer of transfers, UWE’s dead and it’s all gone very quiet on the training ground. That’s caused the fans to feel flat and disheartened, and that mood has just transferred onto the pitch IMO.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 19, 2017 18:09:31 GMT
BRFC do not have much infrastructure, so it is not surprising it is a problem; I never thought I would be looking up to Shrewsbury Town; however, fair play to them, new stadium, new training facility, newv players, new manager equals top of the table.
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Post by Russgas on Nov 19, 2017 18:18:59 GMT
BRFC do not have much infrastructure, so it is not surprising it is a problem; I never thought I would be looking up to Shrewsbury Town; however, fair play to them, new stadium, new training facility, newv players, new manager equals top of the table. Fair play to them indeed. But long term they are going nowhere. If they do go up to the championship they will come straight back down. Their fan base is simply not big enough to sustain it. |
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Post by pirate on Nov 19, 2017 18:27:41 GMT
BRFC do not have much infrastructure, so it is not surprising it is a problem; I never thought I would be looking up to Shrewsbury Town; however, fair play to them, new stadium, new training facility, newv players, new manager equals top of the table. Fair play to them indeed. But long term they are going nowhere. If they do go up to the championship they will come straight back down. Their fan base is simply not big enough to sustain it. Brentford haven't done too bad on average crowds of 10,000...but I get your point. It will be extremely difficult. |
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Post by knowall on Nov 19, 2017 20:51:09 GMT
But you highlighted on another thread we lacked a Chief Scout, isn't one of those and a team of scouts part of the "infrastructure". I assume SH dealt with all the transfer deals, if so, when did he actually deal with agents etc before joining Rovers as Chairman, a decade or so ago? How dare you assume anything? - please find out the facts or Shut Up |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 19, 2017 21:01:35 GMT
Yes Shrewsbury have done very well and good luck to them. They have a new ground but on their forum last season the fans were moaning about it, no atmosphere, no one had much good to say about it. This season they have been quiet about the stadium they’re too happy about what’s happening on the pitch! It’s a fair comparison to make and I hope DC is reflecting on why we’re not as good at the moment. But I suppose Blackburn, Bradford and others are also wondering why Shrewsbury are outperforming them. They’ve had a fairly settled team so that may be a factor. Win games and the team chooses itself doesn’t it?
UTG!
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 19, 2017 21:06:42 GMT
Shrewsbury have a better stadium than us, it wouldn't surprise me if they've got far better training facilities than us too. Burton have far superior facilities than us, they have(or use) the best training complex in the country at St Georges Park. Our ground and infrastructure is strictly Non League and has been for over 30 years which DC was right to mention that we are 30 years behind the times, just because we get 8,000 or so through the turnstiles means nothing if our set up is sh*t. Footballs moved on and we sadly haven't, we are still Rag Bag Rovers, and quite frankly its embarrassing. DC is a victim of his own success, and he's been incredibly loyal to the players that got us here which is a good thing but those players cant keep overachieving every season, I think DC has decided that some of these players cannot improve anymore and in order for us to progress need to be replaced. I expect big changes between January and August next year. we are selling hot dogs 🌭 now though |
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Post by twertonboy on Nov 19, 2017 21:48:48 GMT
This is what I was getting at their better in the transfer window than us... And done it cheaply |
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Post by markczgas on Nov 19, 2017 21:57:22 GMT
Yes Shrewsbury have done very well and good luck to them. They have a new ground but on their forum last season the fans were moaning about it, no atmosphere, no one had much good to say about it. This season they have been quiet about the stadium they’re too happy about what’s happening on the pitch! It’s a fair comparison to make and I hope DC is reflecting on why we’re not as good at the moment. But I suppose Blackburn, Bradford and others are also wondering why Shrewsbury are outperforming them. They’ve had a fairly settled team so that may be a factor. Win games and the team chooses itself doesn’t it? UTG! Paul Hurst is good friends with DC too. They signed quite a few players this summer. Apparently, the keeper signed on loan from Man U is having a great season - reminds me of Kasper Scmiechel when I saw him against us - confident , organised , quick with all his actions - we are missing this - had it with Lumley last season. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2017 22:41:57 GMT
But you highlighted on another thread we lacked a Chief Scout, isn't one of those and a team of scouts part of the "infrastructure". I assume SH dealt with all the transfer deals, if so, when did he actually deal with agents etc before joining Rovers as Chairman, a decade or so ago? How dare you assume anything? - please find out the facts or Shut Up LOL you are getting touchy are you starting to feel the pressure, I can assume what I like it's a free world but if SH didn't deal with the list of 30 players DC gave him then why give that impression. As far as finding out the facts isn't that the whole issue at Rovers at the moment!!! |
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Post by madgas on Nov 19, 2017 23:07:36 GMT
Of course infrastructure is highly relevant.
It’s one of the most important aspects of improving a football club. It’s why one of the first things Man City’s owners aimed for was a new training facility.
Look at the premier league. It’s hugely vital. You can almost
There will always be outliers. Brentford, Shrewsbury, Pompey (negatively), Darlington perhaps? No one (including DC) is saying you cannot achieve things with a rag-bag-tag, but it stacks the deck against you. Better infrastructure, better chances.
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Post by baggins on Nov 20, 2017 13:23:23 GMT
Of course infrastructure is highly relevant. It’s one of the most important aspects of improving a football club. It’s why one of the first things Man City’s owners aimed for was a new training facility. Look at the premier league. It’s hugely vital. You can almost There will always be outliers. Brentford, Shrewsbury, Pompey (negatively), Darlington perhaps? No one (including DC) is saying you cannot achieve things with a rag-bag-tag, but it stacks the deck against you. Better infrastructure, better chances. Which means we need to give it time. Time to get the training facilities built, get the youth firing, few years maybe. |
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