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Post by gasbath on Jan 6, 2018 9:06:50 GMT
We have to remember where we have come from and what these players have done, under the excellent guidance of Clarke and his team, to make themselves League 1 players. I am particularly proud of the following 10 players and am delighted that the club have chosen to back them. I still think there are gems to be found in non-league that can be real assets at this level. Still here from relegation to conference 2013/14 Lee Brown Tom Lockyer Ollie Clarke Ellis Harrison Signed from a non-league club immediately before or during the Conference season 2014/15 Daniel Leadbitter Stuart Sinclair Signed from a non-league club since we regained our league status: James Clarke Tom Broadbent Joe Partington Rollin Menayese I think everyone's got a fair idea about this. It's about getting the MAXIMUM value for players when we have to sell them. Taylor's 300 K deal was unfortunate but a Sh*t outcome for us. Now Bodin has gone at the start of the window (??) - for around 400 - 500 K - why no bidding war ?? I would like to think most Rovers fans would think he's worth twice that ! maybe I'm wrong. We all know cash is tight so why didn't the club wait a few weeks to get more ? Hamer admitted 3 clubs had bid/enquired about him - so I'm very surprised he left on the second day of the window, aren't you ? My conclusion, is that DC was going to get pretty much sod all, but now with the quick sale of Bodin , he's going to get some of it - pretty depressing really - same old Rovers !
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Post by gasbath on Jan 6, 2018 9:08:03 GMT
I think everyone's got a fair idea about this. It's about getting the MAXIMUM value for players when we have to sell them. Taylor's 300 K deal was unfortunate but a Sh*t outcome for us. Now Bodin has gone at the start of the window (??) - for around 400 - 500 K - why no bidding war ?? I would like to think most Rovers fans would think he's worth twice that ! maybe I'm wrong. We all know cash is tight so why didn't the club wait a few weeks to get more ? Hamer admitted 3 clubs had bid/enquired about him - so I'm very surprised he left on the second day of the window, aren't you ? My conclusion, is that DC was going to get pretty much sod all, but now with the quick sale of Bodin , he's going to get some of it - pretty depressing really - same old Rovers !
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Post by gasbath on Jan 6, 2018 9:28:16 GMT
I agree totally we had 100% control of Billy's contract So surly sh takes billy into the office & says ok billy we understand you would like to further you career & are not prepared to sign a new contract . Now this is what happens you are still under contract with brfc till july18. I will circulate that you want a move to a championship/premiership club & the best offer that suits both parties will be considered . We are always saying its overinflated in Jan got to pay double etc. So why didn't we get double plus !! Plus if we knew he was going to put a transfer request in then surly sh & dc had targets before ? What happen ended to DC's 3 lists ?? They are not singing off the same sheet ! That man (sh) blithers with not a clue as far as I can see . DC must be pulling his hair out I'm not saying billy wasn't going but it's the way we handle it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 6, 2018 9:39:57 GMT
Getting maximum value out of players doesn't have to mean what you get from a transfer. We paid chuff all for the snake, got 2 promotions out of him and made a profit on his transfer. I'd say we got very good value out of him. Same goes for Bodin. In fact, I'd say we have had value out of most of our players accept Burn, Blisset and Nichols. Without Bliss we might still stuck in the Conference like Tranmere, he wasn't a great signing but not a total disaster. As far as Burn I assumed he was just a cheap signing, the fact he's dropped down to Conference North seems to be support that view. Yeah, probably fair. Maybe he just about covered his face in terms of value for money.
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Post by Raj Gas on Jan 6, 2018 9:48:28 GMT
I agree totally we had 100% control of Billy's contract So surly sh takes billy into the office & says ok billy we understand you would like to further you career & are not prepared to sign a new contract . Now this is what happens you are still under contract with brfc till july18. I will circulate that you want a move to a championship/premiership club & the best offer that suits both parties will be considered . We are always saying its overinflated in Jan got to pay double etc. So why didn't we get double plus !! Plus if we knew he was going to put a transfer request in then surly sh & dc had targets before ? What happen ended to DC's 3 lists ?? They are not singing off the same sheet ! That man (sh) blithers with not a clue as far as I can see . DC must be pulling his hair out I'm not saying billy wasn't going but it's the way we handle it. Billy could have turned around and said I am going to stay until the summer.................we would get nothing then.He could have negotiated (I think he was acting for himself?) a big signing on fee to compensate for not getting an increase in salary until the summer and so the losers would be us. Instead Billy took the opportunity for a new challenge straight away and this we get some cash now and hopefully in the future so it's probably the best outcome for him and us. Sadly an excellent player who we will miss but I wish him all the best and hopefully DC will get the cash to strengthen our squad this month.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 6, 2018 9:49:28 GMT
I agree totally we had 100% control of Billy's contract So surly sh takes billy into the office & says ok billy we understand you would like to further you career & are not prepared to sign a new contract . Now this is what happens you are still under contract with brfc till july18. I will circulate that you want a move to a championship/premiership club & the best offer that suits both parties will be considered . We are always saying its overinflated in Jan got to pay double etc. So why didn't we get double plus !! Plus if we knew he was going to put a transfer request in then surly sh & dc had targets before ? What happen ended to DC's 3 lists ?? They are not singing off the same sheet ! That man (sh) blithers with not a clue as far as I can see . DC must be pulling his hair out I'm not saying billy wasn't going but it's the way we handle it. You have no idea if any of that is true. One thing that is true is that it was Bodin who was in charge of the situation, not us. We had a decision to make. Force him to see out his contract and lose him for nothing or cut our losses and get what we could from a deal that suited all parties.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jan 6, 2018 9:50:13 GMT
We don't HAVE to sell. But you can't keep players that want to move on, especially when they have release clauses in their contracts in Taylor's case. Billy wants to play in the Championship and we are nowhere near atm. Lower league clubs will always lose better players to the Championship, not just Rovers. The money and standard of football is too big a draw for them. Financially, we do not need to sell, but what could we do in both cases? It makes sense to cash in now when the player has already decided to leave. As for some posters thinking no initial talks had taken place before this interview, get a grip. We don't need to sale?, where have have you got that theory from?. In my 37 years as a supporter, we have never displayed that vision, and we a still continue to sale any player with talent. I love this club unconditionally, but I'd be lying if I said, I wasn't getting watered off with it being so tin pot. In the past we've needed to sell just to keep the club afloat, we don't need to do that anymore. That's the point I'm trying to make. You can't keep a player against his will. Players wanting to leave to further careers happens at all levels and not exclusive to Rovers. Taylor had a release clause, nothing we could do. Bodin wants to play in the division above and would not sign a new contract, not a lot we could do. Even in the Championship, teams lose their best players to the Prem because the players want to move. We are not unique.
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Post by bluestone on Jan 6, 2018 10:22:42 GMT
I think everyone's got a fair idea about this. It's about getting the MAXIMUM value for players when we have to sell them. Taylor's 300 K deal was unfortunate but a Sh*t outcome for us. Now Bodin has gone at the start of the window (??) - for around 400 - 500 K - why no bidding war ?? I would like to think most Rovers fans would think he's worth twice that ! maybe I'm wrong. We all know cash is tight so why didn't the club wait a few weeks to get more ? Hamer admitted 3 clubs had bid/enquired about him - so I'm very surprised he left on the second day of the window, aren't you ? My conclusion, is that DC was going to get pretty much sod all, but now with the quick sale of Bodin , he's going to get some of it - pretty depressing really - same old Rovers ! Getting maximum value out of players doesn't have to mean what you get from a transfer. We paid chuff all for the snake, got 2 promotions out of him and made a profit on his transfer. I'd say we got very good value out of him. Same goes for Bodin. In fact, I'd say we have had value out of most of our players accept Burn, Blisset and Nichols. Excellent point, we should not confuse value with money / cost, it's much much more than that.
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Post by gasbath on Jan 6, 2018 10:24:27 GMT
I agree totally we had 100% control of Billy's contract So surly sh takes billy into the office & says ok billy we understand you would like to further you career & are not prepared to sign a new contract . Now this is what happens you are still under contract with brfc till july18. I will circulate that you want a move to a championship/premiership club & the best offer that suits both parties will be considered . We are always saying its overinflated in Jan got to pay double etc. So why didn't we get double plus !! Plus if we knew he was going to put a transfer request in then surly sh & dc had targets before ? What happen ended to DC's 3 lists ?? They are not singing off the same sheet ! That man (sh) blithers with not a clue as far as I can see . DC must be pulling his hair out I'm not saying billy wasn't going but it's the way we handle it. You have no idea if any of that is true. One thing that is true is that it was Bodin who was in charge of the situation, not us. We had a decision to make. Force him to see out his contract and lose him for nothing or cut our losses and get what we could from a deal that suited all parties. You don't sell you best asset to the first bidder The only parties that this suits is billy & Pne because the reported money there or there abouts is not going to replace his talent
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Post by devonblue on Jan 6, 2018 10:40:29 GMT
Steve Hamer comes across as a really genuine guy with best interests of the football club at heart. You could tell from his face he spoke openly and honestly and personally he gives me confidence that the Board will back DC in providing funds for replacement players. Rovers are a stepping stone and seeing players move to higher clubs can only help in recruitment - the stepping stone is both ways. UTG
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Post by bluestone on Jan 6, 2018 10:45:29 GMT
We don't need to sale?, where have have you got that theory from?. In my 37 years as a supporter, we have never displayed that vision, and we a still continue to sale any player with talent. I love this club unconditionally, but I'd be lying if I said, I wasn't getting watered off with it being so tin pot. In the past we've needed to sell just to keep the club afloat, we don't need to do that anymore. That's the point I'm trying to make. You can't keep a player against his will. Players wanting to leave to further careers happens at all levels and not exclusive to Rovers. Taylor had a release clause, nothing we could do. Bodin wants to play in the division above and would not sign a new contract, not a lot we could do. Even in the Championship, teams lose their best players to the Prem because the players want to move. We are not unique. Exactly, it seems to me that nearly all clubs except the top 6 and those with wealthy owners who are prepared to chuck their own cash around willy nilly are in similar position relative to where they sit in the football league. What I mean is that it's like a food chain, clubs will more or less buy in players from lower clubs / divisions and sell them to those above them. The ultimate power here is really with the players, they naturally want to progress (player better football / earn more money / become more famous) and no one can force them to play for a certain club. In this situation it is clear BB had decided long ago he wanted to make the step up as he would not sign a new contract so the club had 2 choices, sell now and take some cash or keep him till the end of the season to get what we could out of him in terms of playing / scoring goals. Both options have risk / reward attached, that had to be weighed up by the club. If he stays he could smash in 20 more goals and help us into the play offs, however if he gets badly injured he might miss most of the rest of the season. If we sell we get some dosh to reinvest in the squad, we might find a superb replacement (i.e. another Sercs) and we do well without BB or we might not find a suitable replacement and we falter. I think DC will have weighed all this up and decided to sell and replace now was the better option for us, and that to get that bit of business done early in the window would give him the best chance at finding someone to fill Billy's boots.
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Post by knowall on Jan 6, 2018 11:16:24 GMT
We don't need to sale?, where have have you got that theory from?. In my 37 years as a supporter, we have never displayed that vision, and we a still continue to sale any player with talent. I love this club unconditionally, but I'd be lying if I said, I wasn't getting watered off with it being so tin pot. In the past we've needed to sell just to keep the club afloat, we don't need to do that anymore. That's the point I'm trying to make. You can't keep a player against his will. Players wanting to leave to further careers happens at all levels and not exclusive to Rovers. Taylor had a release clause, nothing we could do. Bodin wants to play in the division above and would not sign a new contract, not a lot we could do. Even in the Championship, teams lose their best players to the Prem because the players want to move. We are not unique. Why other posters don't understand that this is how it is beats me. Bodin always wanted to go and his last performance emphazised that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 6, 2018 11:26:58 GMT
In the past we've needed to sell just to keep the club afloat, we don't need to do that anymore. That's the point I'm trying to make. You can't keep a player against his will. Players wanting to leave to further careers happens at all levels and not exclusive to Rovers. Taylor had a release clause, nothing we could do. Bodin wants to play in the division above and would not sign a new contract, not a lot we could do. Even in the Championship, teams lose their best players to the Prem because the players want to move. We are not unique. Why other posters don't understand that this is how it is beats me. Bodin always wanted to go and his last performance emphazised that. I think most "sensible" posters do it's either those looking to blame SH etc for everything or just can't see sense, although that doesn't distract from the fact we seem to lose our best players cheaply, that's Carayol, Taylor & Bodin all now gone for peanuts now when Oxford & P'boro have got a fortune for similar players, even FGR are apparently hoping to get £1m for Doidge.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 6, 2018 15:37:29 GMT
Well I thought that this interview was a nicely packaged hatchet job on Bodin personally. Wrapped it up all cute but basically said we gave him a shot when his career was failing and that he’s very injury prone. Thinks he could well play at a higher level but that it’s a gamble for him. Felt there was a bit of an undertone to it.
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Post by socrates on Jan 6, 2018 16:35:36 GMT
We don't need to sale?, where have have you got that theory from?. In my 37 years as a supporter, we have never displayed that vision, and we a still continue to sale any player with talent. I love this club unconditionally, but I'd be lying if I said, I wasn't getting watered off with it being so tin pot. In the past we've needed to sell just to keep the club afloat, we don't need to do that anymore. That's the point I'm trying to make. You can't keep a player against his will. Players wanting to leave to further careers happens at all levels and not exclusive to Rovers. Taylor had a release clause, nothing we could do. Bodin wants to play in the division above and would not sign a new contract, not a lot we could do. Even in the Championship, teams lose their best players to the Prem because the players want to move. We are not unique. Even Barca Real Madrid etc are selling clubs. If a player wants to leave its best to let him leave.
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Post by socrates on Jan 6, 2018 16:35:49 GMT
We don't need to sale?, where have have you got that theory from?. In my 37 years as a supporter, we have never displayed that vision, and we a still continue to sale any player with talent. I love this club unconditionally, but I'd be lying if I said, I wasn't getting watered off with it being so tin pot. In the past we've needed to sell just to keep the club afloat, we don't need to do that anymore. That's the point I'm trying to make. You can't keep a player against his will. Players wanting to leave to further careers happens at all levels and not exclusive to Rovers. Taylor had a release clause, nothing we could do. Bodin wants to play in the division above and would not sign a new contract, not a lot we could do. Even in the Championship, teams lose their best players to the Prem because the players want to move. We are not unique. Even Barca Real Madrid etc are selling clubs. If a player wants to leave its best to let him leave.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 17:50:57 GMT
For me, the revelation of that interview was that it was Ellis who recommended Bodin to the club in the first place. If we've run out of ex-Salisbury players to sign, maybe Ellis has a few more former Wales u21 contacts to use. Lee mansell also knew bodin from their torquay days but it was dc who had to make the decision to risk a part of his budget on a player who had done very little in his career and was only recently recovered from a serious injury. But if it suits your agenda by all means carry on. If you watch the BB interview after he joined he mentions he already knew about six people at Rovers so it was easy fitting in.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 6, 2018 17:58:54 GMT
I think many are missing the point; I dont think fans are unhappy we have let Bodin leave more that we never seem to get decent money for them, compared to clubs like Peterborough and Oxford in recent times.
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Post by pirate on Jan 6, 2018 18:11:07 GMT
I think many are missing the point; I dont think fans are unhappy we have let Bodin leave more that we never seem to get decent money for them, compared to clubs like Peterborough and Oxford in recent times. Did the Oxford chairman Eales approach Rovers about getting involved here at one stage before he took over there, or have I imagined that? He's not afraid to speculate to accumulate. Marvin Johnson cost them £650,000.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 6, 2018 18:21:17 GMT
I think many are missing the point; I dont think fans are unhappy we have let Bodin leave more that we never seem to get decent money for them, compared to clubs like Peterborough and Oxford in recent times. Did the Oxford chairman Eales approach Rovers about getting involved here at one stage before he took over there, or have I imagined that? He's not afraid to speculate to accumulate. Marvin Johnson cost them £650,000. Yeah I remember something along those lines about the Oxford chairman. For all these development coaches, sports physicians, therapists, conditioning coaches and medical staff......how many people are actively working to scout and bring decent players to the club? I know of one and that's it, maybe they have got James Clarke earning his keep and watching other games like DC used to get them to do? Michael Smith was also another of our best players to leave for way below his value, add Carayol to that as well. Wouldnt be so bad if this was the norm for L1/2 players but other poorer players are getting snapped up for a lot more and its so frustrating.
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