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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 19:04:17 GMT
I think part of the reason we won yesterday was that we outnumbered bradford in centre midfield,which is what your trying to do when you opt for a narrow 4 in midfield. For me the fact that bradford had wingers notably the left winger hindered them on the day. I stress on the day because every system including 4-4-2 with wide players can be effective with the right players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 19:07:48 GMT
He's young and as fit as anyone else having been doing the same training as everyone else for months. Trotting back at 20% pace when we are under pressure is inexcusable? The first time it stood out was about 20 minutes in - I then paid particular attention to his tracking back for the rest of the game. IMO it about attitude rather than fitness, almost reminded me of last season when Boateng and Colkett were taken off after failing to make a single sprint in the first half - common denominator is young, premier league loanees! Spot on. Wonder if Clarke will attempt to sign any more non triers. I think your both horribly wrong about bola not trying. Obviously if a couple of punters can spot a player with a poor attitude dc and marcus will have and he will hardly feature again this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 19:36:36 GMT
I think part of the reason we won yesterday was that we outnumbered bradford in centre midfield,which is what your trying to do when you opt for a narrow 4 in midfield. For me the fact that bradford had wingers notably the left winger hindered them on the day. I stress on the day because every system including 4-4-2 with wide players can be effective with the right players. Thought they played with wing backs in a 532 formation. That's how they lined up for kick off.
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 21, 2018 19:36:45 GMT
Spot on. Wonder if Clarke will attempt to sign any more non triers. I think your both horribly wrong about bola not trying. Obviously if a couple of punters can spot a player with a poor attitude dc and marcus will have and he will hardly feature again this season. hes right I saw it half a dozen times,if he’s forward and the attack breaks down that’s him out the game until he strolls back,can’t see how he is any better than Brown he doesn’t beat players he puts his foot on the ball and passes sideways or back when far forward
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 21, 2018 19:59:23 GMT
I think your both horribly wrong about bola not trying. Obviously if a couple of punters can spot a player with a poor attitude dc and marcus will have and he will hardly feature again this season. hes right I saw it half a dozen times,if he’s forward and the attack breaks down that’s him out the game until he strolls back,can’t see how he is any better than Brown he doesn’t beat players he puts his foot on the ball and passes sideways or back when far forward
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 21, 2018 20:02:44 GMT
He's young and as fit as anyone else having been doing the same training as everyone else for months. Trotting back at 20% pace when we are under pressure is inexcusable? The first time it stood out was about 20 minutes in - I then paid particular attention to his tracking back for the rest of the game. IMO it about attitude rather than fitness, almost reminded me of last season when Boateng and Colkett were taken off after failing to make a single sprint in the first half - common denominator is young, premier league loanees! Spot on. Wonder if Clarke will attempt to sign any more non triers. non triers? That's an embarrassing statement
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Post by newkidontheblock on Jan 21, 2018 20:24:02 GMT
Spot on. Wonder if Clarke will attempt to sign any more non triers. non triers? That's an embarrassing statement Not where yesterday is concerned it's not. That's exactly what Bolas commitment showed. A complete lack of effort. It's inexcusable to amble back to his position after the ball is lost. He was guilty of this a few times. If you are happy with his performance that is your prerogative.
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Post by barumgas on Jan 21, 2018 20:26:02 GMT
Really enjoyed the game yesterday, Broadbent the man that stood out most for me. Solid defensively, and looks class with the ball at his feet. For those giving Bola stick for not busting a gut to get back - do you realise how hard that actually is?DC says he asks a lot of his players, and I think the full backs have the toughest physical challenge of them all. In DC's "narrow" system they are expected to provide ammo for the forwards whilst still tracking speedy wingers. Give Bola a break, it will take a long time to develop the physical fitness required to achieve this. Even then, it's only those at the very top that can make it look normal.. But isnt that what Ellis does> He gives 100% and is always seen tracking back to help the defence
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 20:44:03 GMT
Spot on. Wonder if Clarke will attempt to sign any more non triers. non triers? That's an embarrassing statement It is and something that could rarely be levelled at anyone playing for DC. Bola yesterday and last season Boateng and Colkett away at The Shrews. I don't think any permanent players have ever shown a lack of effort under DC, just the odd loanee.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 20:47:02 GMT
I think your both horribly wrong about bola not trying. Obviously if a couple of punters can spot a player with a poor attitude dc and marcus will have and he will hardly feature again this season. hes right I saw it half a dozen times,if he’s forward and the attack breaks down that’s him out the game until he strolls back,can’t see how he is any better than Brown he doesn’t beat players he puts his foot on the ball and passes sideways or back when far forward We all tend to follow the ball and often miss what happens off it. Yesterday early during the first half Bola was ambling back right in front of where I was stood, I'd not noticed it before so made a point of watching him for the rest of the game. Very disappointing to see tbh.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 21, 2018 21:09:19 GMT
Calling a player a non trier? I clearly saw the lad make quite a few 60 -70 yard runs, upfield to attack. He's playing as a wing back, I've played that position myself, half the time your running continuously up and down the pitch. So sometimes yes yer out of breath, big time!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:20:56 GMT
Calling a player a non trier? I clearly saw the lad make quite a few 60 -70 yard runs, upfield to attack. He's playing as a wing back, I've played that position myself, half the time your running continuously up and down the pitch. So sometimes yes yer out of breath, big time!! Looked to me like a flat back four with conventional fullbacks not wing backs. I've watched Brown, Parts, Leads, J Clarke play the same position in recent years and never had cause to question their commitment and work rate. Non trier may be a tad harsh but he certainly had a different gear in attack than when tracking back, sort of thing you expect to see in lower level amateur football. No disrespect but I presume you didn't play professionally and have the benefit of training full time with a whole bunch of fitness coaches and physiologists. Being out of breath is a poor excuse for a pro.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 21, 2018 22:22:39 GMT
Playing with No wingers, he's not playing as a conventional full back, I can't recall being overrun at all on the right hand side, that would suggest he's not doing his job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 22:24:08 GMT
I think part of the reason we won yesterday was that we outnumbered bradford in centre midfield,which is what your trying to do when you opt for a narrow 4 in midfield. For me the fact that bradford had wingers notably the left winger hindered them on the day. I stress on the day because every system including 4-4-2 with wide players can be effective with the right players. Thought they played with wing backs in a 532 formation. That's how they lined up for kick off. I felt that the left side wide player especially played as a such and not as a wing-back as he did at bradford when he gave leadbitter problems?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 22:28:36 GMT
I think your both horribly wrong about bola not trying. Obviously if a couple of punters can spot a player with a poor attitude dc and marcus will have and he will hardly feature again this season. hes right I saw it half a dozen times,if he’s forward and the attack breaks down that’s him out the game until he strolls back,can’t see how he is any better than Brown he doesn’t beat players he puts his foot on the ball and passes sideways or back when far forward No hes not hes wrong. Even if its kyle walker surging down the wing from the full back position he cant possibly get back and influence a break away from the opposition thats other players job to do and cover. If you and the other 2 are correct we obviously wont see him again unless brown get injured will we?
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 21, 2018 22:32:39 GMT
I really enjoyed yesterday’s match. Sercs was my mom followed by Broadbent. Great team effort. The supporters were brilliant got right behind the team. l just hope D.C. does not think it’s job done and gives up on bringing in better players. Nice to see Bernard get on the pitch. Already looking forward to next saturdays match at Donny.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 21, 2018 22:46:23 GMT
I really enjoyed yesterday’s match. Sercs was my mom followed by Broadbent. Great team effort. The supporters were brilliant got right behind the team. l just hope D.C. does not think it’s job done and gives up on bringing in better players. Nice to see Bernard get on the pitch. Already looking forward to next saturdays match at Donny. Hopefully revenge against Donny and that whinging buzzard Ferguson !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 22:47:12 GMT
hes right I saw it half a dozen times,if he’s forward and the attack breaks down that’s him out the game until he strolls back,can’t see how he is any better than Brown he doesn’t beat players he puts his foot on the ball and passes sideways or back when far forward No hes not hes wrong. Even if its kyle walker surging down the wing from the full back position he cant possibly get back and influence a break away from the opposition thats other players job to do and cover. If you and the other 2 are correct we obviously wont see him again unless brown get injured will we? I would agree that a defensive midfield or the other defenders shifting across can cover in certain circumstances. If Bola makes a lung bursting 60 yard sprint, overlapping to get to the line and cross it's not fair to expect him to sprint straight back. Yesterday's examples are more that he was stood in a position during a passage of play with the ball just being knocked backwards and forwards, side to side and then we lose possession and he just ambles back when everyone else sprints past. If you think that's acceptable fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 22:56:10 GMT
No hes not hes wrong. Even if its kyle walker surging down the wing from the full back position he cant possibly get back and influence a break away from the opposition thats other players job to do and cover. If you and the other 2 are correct we obviously wont see him again unless brown get injured will we? I would agree that a defensive midfield or the other defenders shifting across can cover in certain circumstances. If Bola makes a lung bursting 60 yard sprint, overlapping to get to the line and cross it's not fair to expect him to sprint straight back. Yesterday's examples are more that he was stood in a position during a passage of play with the ball just being knocked backwards and forwards, side to side and then we lose possession and he just ambles back when everyone else sprints past. If you think that's acceptable fair eno
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 21, 2018 23:03:10 GMT
Must say I did not see that and in no way was he lazy. if he had have been do all you " In DC we trusters" think the Manager would have allowed that? I think it is very much people making out a problem that does not exist because I can't recall many occasions where Bradford caused us many problems down Bolas side and far more occasions where Bola caused them problems particularly the second half. i agree with Bluebutterfly.
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