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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 23:18:14 GMT
I would agree that a defensive midfield or the other defenders shifting across can cover in certain circumstances. If Bola makes a lung bursting 60 yard sprint, overlapping to get to the line and cross it's not fair to expect him to sprint straight back. Yesterday's examples are more that he was stood in a position during a passage of play with the ball just being knocked backwards and forwards, side to side and then we lose possession and he just ambles back when everyone else sprints past. If you think that's acceptable fair enough. I will take a look next time i see him play. Though if your right he wont play much more will he?
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jan 21, 2018 23:23:54 GMT
With the GPS and monitors the players wear now there's no hiding place if they are not putting the required work in.
The entire game will be watched back, analysed and any issues addressed with the relevant player(s).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 7:29:32 GMT
I would say a good performance against a poor side on the day and don't get carried away it's a long way too Tipperary
Bola,Clarke struggled parts iffy full backs got to pressure the crosser Ollie seems too lose position and struggles getting back.
Sercombe,sincs,broadbent,locks,lines,Ellis were very good and gaffers a very mixed game.
DC needs to get some players asap so come on wael and co back the man the money in the bank gets no interest but bringing in new players will.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2018 7:33:17 GMT
We made a good side look ordinary.
Perspective needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 7:38:17 GMT
We made a good side look ordinary. Perspective needed. Bradford did say they had six players out who would've started
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Post by madgas on Jan 22, 2018 7:40:32 GMT
We made a good side look ordinary. Perspective needed. Bradford did say they had six players out who would've started In fairness at home we appear to match for anybody. We’ve put a few shockers in, but largely competitive at worse.
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Post by madgas on Jan 22, 2018 7:42:45 GMT
Bradford did say they had six players out who would've started In fairness at home we appear to match for anybody. We’ve put a few shockers in, but largely competitive at worse. So it’s less carried away. More- more of the same. Portsmouth we’re flying before we beat them. At home we’re good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 7:49:04 GMT
With the GPS and monitors the players wear now there's no hiding place if they are not putting the required work in. The entire game will be watched back, analysed and any issues addressed with the relevant player(s). You are right. I recall a DC interview in the summer where he spoke about the GPS vests and subsequent match analysis. He spoke about subbing two players at half time against Shrewsbury because he didn't feel they were putting the effort in - on the Monday the stats showed neither player had managed a single sprint. That was Boateng and Colkett - I'd imagine that incident played a large part in their lack of game time and release.
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 22, 2018 9:23:13 GMT
hes right I saw it half a dozen times,if he’s forward and the attack breaks down that’s him out the game until he strolls back,can’t see how he is any better than Brown he doesn’t beat players he puts his foot on the ball and passes sideways or back when far forward No hes not hes wrong. Even if its kyle walker surging down the wing from the full back position he cant possibly get back and influence a break away from the opposition thats other players job to do and cover. If you and the other 2 are correct we obviously wont see him again unless brown get injured will we? im right I saw it with my own eyes,there is a difference between running back like the balls gone out for a goal kick and running back because the opponent is on the attack,he ambled back like he’s just done a marathon
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:07:14 GMT
No hes not hes wrong. Even if its kyle walker surging down the wing from the full back position he cant possibly get back and influence a break away from the opposition thats other players job to do and cover. If you and the other 2 are correct we obviously wont see him again unless brown get injured will we? im right I saw it with my own eyes,there is a difference between running back like the balls gone out for a goal kick and running back because the opponent is on the attack,he ambled back like he’s just done a marathon At least 4 posters have mentioned this and another group including myself dont agree. The proof of the pudding will be how often he plays from now on because if he couldnt be bothered to get back or is lazy it wont be missed by dc or marcus. I reckon he was jogging back after a forward run while others covered him but lets see what happens to bola from now on.
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 22, 2018 11:10:05 GMT
paulpirate, Perhaps that is what is agreed with the players that if the full back goes up and the ball is lost then they will cover. I have seen p0lenty of times where Brown has attacked and then not come back but that would not even get a mention. It seems many people have a one rule for one and one for another. For me I saw a game where Bradford created very few opportunities and therefore in the main all defenders did their jobs and in truth so did every player in the team. As regards Bradford having players out- maybe they did but that is part of the game- we played at their place with both our centre halves away on international duty.Sometimes when a team are poor you have to give the other team credit for making them look poor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:10:25 GMT
I would say a good performance against a poor side on the day and don't get carried away it's a long way too Tipperary Bola,Clarke struggled parts iffy full backs got to pressure the crosser Ollie seems too lose position and struggles getting back. Sercombe,sincs,broadbent,locks,lines,Ellis were very good and gaffers a very mixed game. DC needs to get some players asap so come on wael and co back the man the money in the bank gets no interest but bringing in new players will. Every single time we win both this season and last posters always come on here and say "they were a poor side". If we beat wigan at home somebody will post that they were a poor side. Makes me laugh.
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 22, 2018 11:40:10 GMT
paulpirate, Perhaps that is what is agreed with the players that if the full back goes up and the ball is lost then they will cover. I have seen p0lenty of times where Brown has attacked and then not come back but that would not even get a mention. It seems many people have a one rule for one and one for another. For me I saw a game where Bradford created very few opportunities and therefore in the main all defenders did their jobs and in truth so did every player in the team. As regards Bradford having players out- maybe they did but that is part of the game- we played at their place with both our centre halves away on international duty.Sometimes when a team are poor you have to give the other team credit for making them look poor. disagree with Bola don’t see how any better than brown and he’s our player,I didn’t mention about Bradford’s injuries so I don’t know your bringing that into the conversation
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 22, 2018 11:42:35 GMT
im right I saw it with my own eyes,there is a difference between running back like the balls gone out for a goal kick and running back because the opponent is on the attack,he ambled back like he’s just done a marathon At least 4 posters have mentioned this and another group including myself dont agree. The proof of the pudding will be how often he plays from now on because if he couldnt be bothered to get back or is lazy it wont be missed by dc or marcus. I reckon he was jogging back after a forward run while others covered him but lets see what happens to bola from now on. watch him next game,He was right in front of me the second half and half the stand was shouting at him to get back
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Post by Raj Gas on Jan 22, 2018 11:59:07 GMT
At least 4 posters have mentioned this and another group including myself dont agree. The proof of the pudding will be how often he plays from now on because if he couldnt be bothered to get back or is lazy it wont be missed by dc or marcus. I reckon he was jogging back after a forward run while others covered him but lets see what happens to bola from now on. watch him next game,He was right in front of me the second half and half the stand was shouting at him to get back It was strange as it almost looked like he was waiting for someone to tell him what to do next, I remember years ago Junior Agogo was the same he would do things in "fits and starts" On Saturday we had an inexperienced back 5 who I think copied really well with a decent team. Tom Lockyer was back to best and I thought that both Partington and Broadbent looked comfortable on the ball and when they brought it out of defence it brough a new dimension to our game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 12:38:09 GMT
watch him next game,He was right in front of me the second half and half the stand was shouting at him to get back It was strange as it almost looked like he was waiting for someone to tell him what to do next, I remember years ago Junior Agogo was the same he would do things in "fits and starts" On Saturday we had an inexperienced back 5 who I think copied really well with a decent team. Tom Lockyer was back to best and I thought that both Partington and Broadbent looked comfortable on the ball and when they brought it out of defence it brough a new dimension to our game. Back 5? 4 surely?
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 22, 2018 12:59:59 GMT
That may be one reason but I suspect if DC wasn't impressed by his work rate/attitude yesterday we might not see much of him again regardless of what Arsenal want. With Leads missing if we go with Brown and Parts and play a narrow midfield diamond there is a lack of threat and pace down both flanks. Perhaps that is why Bola is getting picked at the moment - to add some pace and athleticism down one flank? I am hugely in favour of pace down the flanks,and Bola gives us that.The fact that he could not be bothered to track back when the ball was lost is totally unacceptable.And he did that on more than one occasion. Was stated in the first half commentary on Radio Bristol how poor Bolas final ball into the box was. So frustrating when players get that time and space to cross and then poorly deliver wasting the opportunity to gain an advantage. This is perhaps an area where Brown is better at the moment ??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 16:43:30 GMT
I would say a good performance against a poor side on the day and don't get carried away it's a long way too Tipperary Bola,Clarke struggled parts iffy full backs got to pressure the crosser Ollie seems too lose position and struggles getting back. Sercombe,sincs,broadbent,locks,lines,Ellis were very good and gaffers a very mixed game. DC needs to get some players asap so come on wael and co back the man the money in the bank gets no interest but bringing in new players will. Every single time we win both this season and last posters always come on here and say "they were a poor side". If we beat wigan at home somebody will post that they were a poor side. Makes me laugh. So you thought Saturday they were a good side? You must be easily pleased bb 🤔 Not many good good sides in this division but it's on the day a poor side could be good for that particular game.
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Post by Raj Gas on Jan 22, 2018 17:31:44 GMT
It was strange as it almost looked like he was waiting for someone to tell him what to do next, I remember years ago Junior Agogo was the same he would do things in "fits and starts" On Saturday we had an inexperienced back 5 who I think copied really well with a decent team. Tom Lockyer was back to best and I thought that both Partington and Broadbent looked comfortable on the ball and when they brought it out of defence it brough a new dimension to our game. Back 5? 4 surely? No I included the keeper as well as he hasn't played that many games and especially not for us.
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 22, 2018 19:05:24 GMT
To all “having a moan up” I never thought we would beat Pompey and Bradford so I am well happy some are moaning about how people queu at bars, lack of quilted toilet rolls, carpets not thick pile whatever next😄
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