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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 23, 2018 21:27:15 GMT
The Hani factor? What are you basing that on? Bollocks rumours started on here with no evidence whatsoever provided to back them up? Is it any coincidence that the negative rumours have stopped since certain people left the club? The Hani factor in the sense that when Wael and his family bought the club it very quickly became clear that Wael loves football but his brother ( who it later became clear controls the money ) doesn’t and had to be convinced that buying Rovers was a good thing for them to do. In Waels words “ he thinks I’m crazy but I’ve talked him round “ I don’t give a sh** about rumours and as a mod you should know that , I’ve posted fairly regularly on here for years. I go on what I see and I like Wael I like what he wants to do and what he’s been doing but I’ve never seen Hani interviewed and I know he doesn’t like football I also have heard from Hamer that Hani controls the money so yes I am concerned about the Hani factor. So no not basing it on bollocks rumours at all thanks very much. You are a poster I have a lot of respect for, no offense meant. Again, where has the rumour that Hani doesn't like football and therefore won't fund us come from? If WAQ says he's talked him round then maybe he has!!?? Do you really believe that Hani didn't know or understand the cost of buying and running a football club?? There is no way he would have come into this venture and then found out the costs after is there? I just dont buy the whole Hani is the problem thing. We've had a fan in control of Rovers for a long time for all the good it's done us. I reckon having a businessman in charge may be what we need.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 23, 2018 21:34:41 GMT
The UWE was viable when Sainsbury's looked like buying the Mem, I also assume for a year plus Wael thought it was viable, so to say it was never viable is nonsense. Just a pity a deal couldn't be agreed between the two parties. You're talking about two different situations. The first was where where we magically got the stadium for nothing, based on the sale of the Mem for squillions more than it was worth, so we could afford to give away many revenue streams to UWE. The second was where we had to actually pay for it ourselves, so unless UWE were willing to hand back all or most of those revenue streams, it could never be viable. After many months of negotiating, UWE were (understandably perhaps) not willing to lose out on what they thought would be a cash cow, and we (very understandably) were not willing to pay for a stadium which generated nothing for club except match day receipts. That's how I see it. My post was simply answering the previous post suggesting the UWE was never viable which seems incorrect as two sets of owners both thought it could be if, ultimately, noether could close the deals. We've no idea why talks collapsed as neither side have given any clues away so no idea why posters try suggest it's down to income streams etc
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 23, 2018 22:07:11 GMT
The Hani factor in the sense that when Wael and his family bought the club it very quickly became clear that Wael loves football but his brother ( who it later became clear controls the money ) doesn’t and had to be convinced that buying Rovers was a good thing for them to do. In Waels words “ he thinks I’m crazy but I’ve talked him round “ I don’t give a sh** about rumours and as a mod you should know that , I’ve posted fairly regularly on here for years. I go on what I see and I like Wael I like what he wants to do and what he’s been doing but I’ve never seen Hani interviewed and I know he doesn’t like football I also have heard from Hamer that Hani controls the money so yes I am concerned about the Hani factor. So no not basing it on bollocks rumours at all thanks very much. You are a poster I have a lot of respect for, no offense meant. Again, where has the rumour that Hani doesn't like football and therefore won't fund us come from? If WAQ says he's talked him round then maybe he has!!?? Do you really believe that Hani didn't know or understand the cost of buying and running a football club?? There is no way he would have come into this venture and then found out the costs after is there? I just dont buy the whole Hani is the problem thing. We've had a fan in control of Rovers for a long time for all the good it's done us. I reckon having a businessman in charge may be what we need. Didn't SH as much as confirm the rumours when he suggested he made all the final decisions and he needed to see firm business plans that there would be a return on the investment before agreeing to press ahead with any projects. SH also admitted DS didn't appreciate the real costs of running a football cost when they bought Rovers. There was also the odd suggestion by SH talks might have progressed with the UWE if they flown out to Jordan to meet the family, which surely must have meant meeting Hani and Mr ALQ given that Wael spends plenty of time in England/Bristol. Not sure if Hani is a problem but somebody seems to have reigned in the spending post the UWE decision, just look at how the The Colony plans were scaled back.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 23, 2018 22:30:24 GMT
You are a poster I have a lot of respect for, no offense meant. Again, where has the rumour that Hani doesn't like football and therefore won't fund us come from? If WAQ says he's talked him round then maybe he has!!?? Do you really believe that Hani didn't know or understand the cost of buying and running a football club?? There is no way he would have come into this venture and then found out the costs after is there? I just dont buy the whole Hani is the problem thing. We've had a fan in control of Rovers for a long time for all the good it's done us. I reckon having a businessman in charge may be what we need. Didn't SH as much as confirm the rumours when he suggested he made all the final decisions and he needed to see firm business plans that there would be a return on the investment before agreeing to press ahead with any projects. SH also admitted DS didn't appreciate the real costs of running a football cost when they bought Rovers. There was also the odd suggestion by SH talks might have progressed with the UWE if they flown out to Jordan to meet the family, which surely must have meant meeting Hani and Mr ALQ given that Wael spends plenty of time in England/Bristol. Not sure if Hani is a problem but somebody seems to have reigned in the spending post the UWE decision, just look at how the The Colony plans were scaled back. Just re read what you have written. When SH said Hani controls the money and expects a business plan for expenditure where does he confirm that Hani doesn't like football and wont spend money on us? As for UWE, we will never know but is it unreasonable for the man about to spend 20?? Million to expect someone from UWE to go to Jordan?? Either way it seems heels were dragged and maybe Hani doesn't like to be watered about so picked up his train set and told UWE to go jump. (Speculation I will grant you) WAQ has made no secret of his standing in the Jordan FA. Surely it makes sense that anyone doing big business with us would be expected to make a trip to Jordan at some point should the AQs wish it? 2+2 does not = 5
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Post by socrates on Feb 23, 2018 23:02:53 GMT
The Hani factor in the sense that when Wael and his family bought the club it very quickly became clear that Wael loves football but his brother ( who it later became clear controls the money ) doesn’t and had to be convinced that buying Rovers was a good thing for them to do. In Waels words “ he thinks I’m crazy but I’ve talked him round “ I don’t give a sh** about rumours and as a mod you should know that , I’ve posted fairly regularly on here for years. I go on what I see and I like Wael I like what he wants to do and what he’s been doing but I’ve never seen Hani interviewed and I know he doesn’t like football I also have heard from Hamer that Hani controls the money so yes I am concerned about the Hani factor. So no not basing it on bollocks rumours at all thanks very much. You are a poster I have a lot of respect for, no offense meant. Again, where has the rumour that Hani doesn't like football and therefore won't fund us come from? If WAQ says he's talked him round then maybe he has!!?? Do you really believe that Hani didn't know or understand the cost of buying and running a football club?? There is no way he would have come into this venture and then found out the costs after is there? I just dont buy the whole Hani is the problem thing. We've had a fan in control of Rovers for a long time for all the good it's done us. I reckon having a businessman in charge may be what we need. I also respect you as a poster no offence taken and I realise that it’s been a very hard and often thankless task moderating this forum this season. I’m not saying Hani is the whole problem either or that he even is a problem I’m just concerned that he’s not really a football man , he controls the money and that he went in to the deal not entirely convinced but Wael has had to talk him round. Fair play to Wael for doing that , we might not even have a club to support now or might be supporting BRFC 2015 LTD in the 7th tier if he hadn’t. Who knows. Going back to my last post like I said I take people on face value I don’t take any notice of rumours but I’ve never met Hani never seen him interviewed have been told by Wael he’s not a football fan and by Hamer that he controls the money. That’s what I mean by the Hani factor.
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Post by Gasshole on Feb 23, 2018 23:59:41 GMT
Hani is the money man, he has a huge responsibility to make sure we have a team to support. We do not want to end up like Bolton or Sunderland with a $200 million debt.
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Post by socrates on Feb 24, 2018 0:38:47 GMT
Hani is the money man, he has a huge responsibility to make sure we have a team to support. We do not want to end up like Bolton or Sunderland with a $200 million debt. Absolutely. I hope in time he loves our club as much as his brother does.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 24, 2018 8:14:06 GMT
Hani is the money man, he has a huge responsibility to make sure we have a team to support. We do not want to end up like Bolton or Sunderland with a $200 million debt. Absolutely. I hope in time he loves our club as much as his brother does. Maybe when Hani comes over for the play off final
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 24, 2018 9:28:52 GMT
Absolutely. I hope in time he loves our club as much as his brother does. Maybe when Hani comes over for the play off final Perhaps we should start a Hani chant to bring him onboard. For those who recall their Classics, ancient Romans paraded after victories with a slave whispering in their ear "memento homo", or "remember you are just a man". It reminded them to not get carried away and believe they were Demi gods whilst taking in the adulation of the people. I see Hani in a similar way, his role is to stop Wael from writing cheques we can't (yet) afford. When the BBC went to Jordan Wael said he would be happy to sign a £1m striker. I appreciate it was probably just in response to the question, but it is still a sign of his ambition. After the collapse of the UWE project I think Hani is simply recalibrating his spreadsheets to see how best to go forward, hence the 'slowly slowly' training ground plans and the non news regarding the stadium. After a period of introspection, I fully anticipate some movement on both.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 10:22:46 GMT
Maybe when Hani comes over for the play off final Perhaps we should start a Hani chant to bring him onboard. For those who recall their Classics, ancient Romans paraded after victories with a slave whispering in their ear "memento homo", or "remember you are just a man". It reminded them to not get carried away and believe they were Demi gods whilst taking in the adulation of the people.I see Hani in a similar way, his role is to stop Wael from writing cheques we can't (yet) afford. When the BBC went to Jordan Wael said he would be happy to sign a £1m striker. I appreciate it was probably just in response to the question, but it is still a sign of his ambition. After the collapse of the UWE project I think Hani is simply recalibrating his spreadsheets to see how best to go forward, hence the 'slowly slowly' training ground plans and the non news regarding the stadium. After a period of introspection, I fully anticipate some movement on both. I get that you say this in jest but for me it raises a very salient point. 'DS' seems to refer to Hani himself as the man in charge of the finances and for me it was a pretty fatalistic sign of their intent when Hamer told us that 'DS does not communicate with the media'. A very arrogant stance to take imo, it paints a picture of Hani sat in an ivory tower making decisions that affect the future direction of the football club without any sort of regard for the paying customers of his 'investment'. As the proprietor of a community asset DS should have a very good relationship with the media. I worry that that statement smacks of a feeling of unaccountability. We may merely be paying customers of an asset in DS's portfolio but as paying customers we can withdraw our business if not treated with respect by it's owners.
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Post by singupgas on Feb 24, 2018 10:47:10 GMT
Perhaps we should start a Hani chant to bring him onboard. For those who recall their Classics, ancient Romans paraded after victories with a slave whispering in their ear "memento homo", or "remember you are just a man". It reminded them to not get carried away and believe they were Demi gods whilst taking in the adulation of the people.I see Hani in a similar way, his role is to stop Wael from writing cheques we can't (yet) afford. When the BBC went to Jordan Wael said he would be happy to sign a £1m striker. I appreciate it was probably just in response to the question, but it is still a sign of his ambition. After the collapse of the UWE project I think Hani is simply recalibrating his spreadsheets to see how best to go forward, hence the 'slowly slowly' training ground plans and the non news regarding the stadium. After a period of introspection, I fully anticipate some movement on both. I get that you say this in jest but for me it raises a very salient point. 'DS' seems to refer to Hani himself as the man in charge of the finances and for me it was a pretty fatalistic sign of their intent when Hamer told us that 'DS does not communicate with the media'. A very arrogant stance to take imo, it paints a picture of Hani sat in an ivory tower making decisions that affect the future direction of the football club without any sort of regard for the paying customers of his 'investment'. As the proprietor of a community asset DS should have a very good relationship with the media. I worry that that statement smacks of a feeling of unaccountability. We may merely be paying customers of an asset in DS's portfolio but as paying customers we can withdraw our business if not treated with respect by it's owners. If there is no signs of evolution towards the end of the season..I don't think I will renewing my season ticket. Petty, but I think I would rather pick and choose the games I watch.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 24, 2018 11:59:40 GMT
Didn't SH as much as confirm the rumours when he suggested he made all the final decisions and he needed to see firm business plans that there would be a return on the investment before agreeing to press ahead with any projects. SH also admitted DS didn't appreciate the real costs of running a football cost when they bought Rovers. There was also the odd suggestion by SH talks might have progressed with the UWE if they flown out to Jordan to meet the family, which surely must have meant meeting Hani and Mr ALQ given that Wael spends plenty of time in England/Bristol. Not sure if Hani is a problem but somebody seems to have reigned in the spending post the UWE decision, just look at how the The Colony plans were scaled back. Just re read what you have written. When SH said Hani controls the money and expects a business plan for expenditure where does he confirm that Hani doesn't like football and wont spend money on us? As for UWE, we will never know but is it unreasonable for the man about to spend 20?? Million to expect someone from UWE to go to Jordan?? Either way it seems heels were dragged and maybe Hani doesn't like to be watered about so picked up his train set and told UWE to go jump. (Speculation I will grant you) WAQ has made no secret of his standing in the Jordan FA. Surely it makes sense that anyone doing big business with us would be expected to make a trip to Jordan at some point should the AQs wish it? 2+2 does not = 5 None of us really have a clue if Hani likes football or not, but that's not really the issue, it's whether Hani is prepared to back his younger brother's ambition to make us a Championship side, or better. The only way that is going to happen in the short term, i.e. 5 or so years, is for somebody to write a cheque for £20m/30m minimum for the Mem redevelopment and another one for £2m minimum for The Colony whilst also meeting our annual £1m/2m losses. I just don't get this continued reference to evolution as there's no way we can just evolve into a Championship side without a massive cash injection, as if we start messing about with rebuilding the ground stand by stand over a 10/15 years time span we'll just get left behind as the Championship become more and more Premiership 2. As far as the UWE going to Jordan they'd surely get slaughtered by the local, & national?, media when it got out they'd been there for a nice holiday before returning to announce a deal had been agreed. Given the stadium is in England for an English club I can't see why the UWE are required to go to a foreign country before a deal can be agreed anyway. If that was the deal breaker I'll back the UWE on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 12:20:55 GMT
Maybe when Hani comes over for the play off final Perhaps we should start a Hani chant to bring him onboard. Oh Hani doo be do I'm in love with you, Hani doo be do I'm in love with you, Hani doo be do I'm in love with you Hani Hani, oh with your eyes so blue Hani Hani, I've got a crush on you Hani Hani, I'm so in love with you Oh when we walk it always feels so nice And when we talk it seems like paradise Hani Hani I'm so in love with you You're my king and I'm in heaven every time I look at you When you smile it's like a dream And I'm so lucky 'cause I found a boy like you Hani Hani, avec tes yeux si bleux Hani Hani, moi j'ai flashe a nous deux Hani Hani, un grand baiser d'eternite Hani Hani, je suis si folle de toi Hani Hani,…
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Post by axegas on Feb 24, 2018 12:35:03 GMT
Hani is the money man, he has a huge responsibility to make sure we have a team to support. We do not want to end up like Bolton or Sunderland with a $200 million debt. Absolutely. I hope in time he loves our club as much as his brother does. I can recall Wael saying that Hani choose to stand on the north terrace during the promotion game against D+R and joined him in the celebrations afterwards so he has had a chance to see what this football club is all about. I doubt he would drive this club to financial ruin because after all it is his investment and he doesn't strike me as a man who would not plan ahead carefully.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 12:42:36 GMT
Perhaps we should start a Hani chant to bring him onboard. Oh Hani doo be do I'm in love with you, Hani doo be do I'm in love with you, Hani doo be do I'm in love with you Hani Hani, oh with your eyes so blue Hani Hani, I've got a crush on you Hani Hani, I'm so in love with you Oh when we walk it always feels so nice And when we talk it seems like paradise Hani Hani I'm so in love with you You're my king and I'm in heaven every time I look at you When you smile it's like a dream And I'm so lucky 'cause I found a boy like you Hani Hani, avec tes yeux si bleux Hani Hani, moi j'ai flashe a nous deux Hani Hani, un grand baiser d'eternite Hani Hani, je suis si folle de toi Hani Hani,… I wish to purchase what drugs your taking squire.
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Post by singupgas on Feb 24, 2018 12:48:11 GMT
Perhaps we should start a Hani chant to bring him onboard. Oh Hani doo be do I'm in love with you, Hani doo be do I'm in love with you, Hani doo be do I'm in love with you Hani Hani, oh with your eyes so blue Hani Hani, I've got a crush on you Hani Hani, I'm so in love with you Oh when we walk it always feels so nice And when we talk it seems like paradise Hani Hani I'm so in love with you You're my king and I'm in heaven every time I look at you When you smile it's like a dream And I'm so lucky 'cause I found a boy like you Hani Hani, avec tes yeux si bleux Hani Hani, moi j'ai flashe a nous deux Hani Hani, un grand baiser d'eternite Hani Hani, je suis si folle de toi Hani Hani,… Do people still say doo be do
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Post by curlywurly on Feb 24, 2018 13:07:11 GMT
Didn't SH as much as confirm the rumours when he suggested he made all the final decisions and he needed to see firm business plans that there would be a return on the investment before agreeing to press ahead with any projects. SH also admitted DS didn't appreciate the real costs of running a football cost when they bought Rovers. There was also the odd suggestion by SH talks might have progressed with the UWE if they flown out to Jordan to meet the family, which surely must have meant meeting Hani and Mr ALQ given that Wael spends plenty of time in England/Bristol. Not sure if Hani is a problem but somebody seems to have reigned in the spending post the UWE decision, just look at how the The Colony plans were scaled back. Rovers and Dwane Sports are clearly family business interests, like all the Al Qadi interests. UWE not travelling to Jordan revealed a lot about UWE's management to me; 1. They had shaken on a deal with Nick Higgs that was favourable to the university, but the Al Qadi ownership wanted to renegotiate. UWE didn't want to budge much. 2. Doing business in the middle east is a mixture of business and pleasure. There is a lot of emphasis placed on courtesy to family and UWE snubbing an invitation to meet the Al Qadi's in Jordan for a potential multi-million pound investmet would have been insulting. 3. Every Vice-Chancellor in the UK is very used to doing business with different cultures, they are usually very well prepared in this respect and will make significant effort for investment less than the Al Qadi's were preparing to make at UWE, which says to me that UWE were not really willing to play ball at all on the stadium (for a range of possible reasons). I'm also frustrated at the slow pace of development at the Colony, but I have no problem with scaling back from the original plans - as long as it: 1. Allows for an improvement over current facilities for the first team 2. Allows all of our squads to use the same faciliities/venue
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 24, 2018 14:26:03 GMT
"UWE didn't want to budge much."
I assume that's a pure guess? If they weren't then surely talks wouldn't have dragged on for 18 months, as it would have been clear after a month or so the deal was dead and the ALQ's wouldn't have wasted money getting a feasibility report.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 16:28:29 GMT
Oh Hani doo be do I'm in love with you, Hani doo be do I'm in love with you, Hani doo be do I'm in love with you Hani Hani, oh with your eyes so blue Hani Hani, I've got a crush on you Hani Hani, I'm so in love with you Oh when we walk it always feels so nice And when we talk it seems like paradise Hani Hani I'm so in love with you You're my king and I'm in heaven every time I look at you When you smile it's like a dream And I'm so lucky 'cause I found a boy like you Hani Hani, avec tes yeux si bleux Hani Hani, moi j'ai flashe a nous deux Hani Hani, un grand baiser d'eternite Hani Hani, je suis si folle de toi Hani Hani,… Do people still say doo be do You just did.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 16:29:13 GMT
Oh Hani doo be do I'm in love with you, Hani doo be do I'm in love with you, Hani doo be do I'm in love with you Hani Hani, oh with your eyes so blue Hani Hani, I've got a crush on you Hani Hani, I'm so in love with you Oh when we walk it always feels so nice And when we talk it seems like paradise Hani Hani I'm so in love with you You're my king and I'm in heaven every time I look at you When you smile it's like a dream And I'm so lucky 'cause I found a boy like you Hani Hani, avec tes yeux si bleux Hani Hani, moi j'ai flashe a nous deux Hani Hani, un grand baiser d'eternite Hani Hani, je suis si folle de toi Hani Hani,… I wish to purchase what drugs your taking squire. They do make it difficult to reach the keyboard.
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