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Post by socrates on Mar 18, 2018 18:43:55 GMT
I thought that bar the first part of the second half, we were the best team out there & probably got robbed by poor ref decisions. Fail to see the criticism of DC, we all know he has a way of managing, he ain't gonna change & has said as much. I think he has done wonders with the resources he has. He is not going to get every transfer in spot on, no manager does - just ask Man U re Pogba £85m for a player they used to have FFS!!! But he won't let the season fizzle out, he will be looking for 67 points minimum - but we have some tough games so for me it will be touch & go. Still think that if we keep the squad & maybe 2/3 additions along with a couple breaking through from the development squad we have a good shout for the play offs next season. From what has been dished up since 2000, I will accept this all day long - players playing for the shirt, mid table L1 with a squeak of the play offs and an exciting young manager, who I hope we can keep hold of. UTG Spot on exactly how I see it. I do criticise DC occasionally as a life long supporter it’s my right to have an opinion but at same time I think he’s Dam brilliant and I wouldn’t want anyone else managing our club. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 19:06:17 GMT
You would hope that people would watch the next home game because they enjoy football and want to see if their team can win the match.
Which on the record of the last few years is quite a likely thing.
Its not all about the playoffs.
Its about matching yourself in that game against the opposition which I believe is Bury.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 20:42:34 GMT
Maybe someone could tell me why we bring everyone back for corners? Surely Ellis left the halfway line could have picked up about five clearances yesterday and maybe scored a breakaway goal,all we do is keep the pressure on by thumping it up field to their players? Having everyone back for corners winds me up but I wouldn't choose Ellis as the one to stay forward. A bit like Alan Shearer at Newcastle or Drogba at Chelsea Ellis is probably our best defender of corners in that near post area. I'd leave the likes of Bennett, Nicholls, Telford on the halfway line to feed off clearances and start counter attacks. They are too small to add much in the air defensively and better keep them well away and stop more opposition going forward. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 19, 2018 7:48:59 GMT
I don’t mind DC changing things about etc but it always annoys me when you have square pegs in round holes. JC is not a LB, so why put him there when we have a fit Bola on the bench?
He’s put Sercombe on the left wing, Sincs on the right and puts Byron Moore in the team now and then!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 8:20:56 GMT
Maybe someone could tell me why we bring everyone back for corners? Surely Ellis left the halfway line could have picked up about five clearances yesterday and maybe scored a breakaway goal,all we do is keep the pressure on by thumping it up field to their players? Having everyone back for corners winds me up but I wouldn't choose Ellis as the one to stay forward. A bit like Alan Shearer at Newcastle or Drogba at Chelsea Ellis is probably our best defender of corners in that near post area. I'd leave the likes of Bennett, Nicholls, Telford on the halfway line to feed off clearances and start counter attacks. They are too small to add much in the air defensively and better keep them well away and stop more opposition going forward. How can you have 2 players sat on the bench on the halfway line ? |
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Post by twertonboy on Mar 19, 2018 9:26:47 GMT
IMO - with the squad we have we’re where we should be in the league, but I feel we could have gained a few more points than we have...
As long as Craig is at centre back( I can’t see him being better than brown or bola at leftback either) we will be vulnerable...all I’ve seen since he’s been here for a so called experienced pedigree defender
- He doesn’t win much in the air
- he makes shocking decisions to dive in when it’s blatantly obvious it’s the wrong decision...the 1st penalty against Plymouth for example
- hides in the shadows of his playing partner
- distribution is awful.
James Clarke
Isn’t league one top 10 standard, he’s so limited and hesitant on n the ball and just being able to defend isn’t enough at this level.
He needs to go...
The rest of the season we should give Nichols a run of games so everyone can see if he’s up to it or sell him in the summer....
Broadbent should play every game to get his game experience up...
He’s the future not Craig....
The summer is now time to be ruthless and let go of the players that will hinder us and invest in players that will make the difference to push for top 6 positions, as it’s obvious that now Taylor and bodin have been sold over 2 seasons we won’t get higher than 9-10th in the league...
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Post by knowall on Mar 19, 2018 10:29:49 GMT
knowall:..."I think lots of us agree about DC changing the team too often - but the more we say it - the more he will do it..." Really? DC builds his selection around fans' opinions. I've read it all now. Nah,he meant DC does it to p*** off the fans.....(snigger) just saying - he ain't going to allow us to be right and him wrong! |
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Post by markczgas on Mar 19, 2018 11:48:28 GMT
IMO - with the squad we have we’re where we should be in the league, but I feel we could have gained a few more points than we have... As long as Craig is at centre back( I can’t see him being better than brown or bola at leftback either) we will be vulnerable...all I’ve seen since he’s been here for a so called experienced pedigree defender - He doesn’t win much in the air - he makes shocking decisions to dive in when it’s blatantly obvious it’s the wrong decision...the 1st penalty against Plymouth for example - hides in the shadows of his playing partner - distribution is awful. James Clarke Isn’t league one top 10 standard, he’s so limited and hesitant on n the ball and just being able to defend isn’t enough at this level. He needs to go... The rest of the season we should give Nichols a run of games so everyone can see if he’s up to it or sell him in the summer.... Broadbent should play every game to get his game experience up... He’s the future not Craig.... The summer is now time to be ruthless and let go of the players that will hinder us and invest in players that will make the difference to push for top 6 positions, as it’s obvious that now Taylor and bodin have been sold over 2 seasons we won’t get higher than 9-10th in the league... Agree with all that but not the bit about Nichols - he's had more than enough chances this season. Maybe they can improve him in pre-season but not holding my breath. |
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 19, 2018 12:14:49 GMT
Victim blaming, not good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 12:15:54 GMT
IMO - with the squad we have we’re where we should be in the league, but I feel we could have gained a few more points than we have... As long as Craig is at centre back( I can’t see him being better than brown or bola at leftback either) we will be vulnerable...all I’ve seen since he’s been here for a so called experienced pedigree defender - He doesn’t win much in the air - he makes shocking decisions to dive in when it’s blatantly obvious it’s the wrong decision...the 1st penalty against Plymouth for example - hides in the shadows of his playing partner - distribution is awful. James Clarke Isn’t league one top 10 standard, he’s so limited and hesitant on n the ball and just being able to defend isn’t enough at this level. He needs to go... The rest of the season we should give Nichols a run of games so everyone can see if he’s up to it or sell him in the summer.... Broadbent should play every game to get his game experience up... He’s the future not Craig.... The summer is now time to be ruthless and let go of the players that will hinder us and invest in players that will make the difference to push for top 6 positions, as it’s obvious that now Taylor and bodin have been sold over 2 seasons we won’t get higher than 9-10th in the league... I believe dc will pick what he considers his best team for every match until the end of the season. We still have an outside chance of making the play-offs. Craig is decent in the air,has a good left foot and is a good passer of the ball. The thing you said about "hiding in the shadows of his partner" is beyond laughable. I will be glad when people move onto the next player to blame for everything to be honest. Craig has made mistakes since hes signed i agree with that much. You were so wrong on your judgement of ellis as a footballer that its hard to take your critique of any player seriously frankly. |
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Post by lpgas on Mar 19, 2018 12:35:03 GMT
IMO - with the squad we have we’re where we should be in the league, but I feel we could have gained a few more points than we have... As long as Craig is at centre back( I can’t see him being better than brown or bola at leftback either) we will be vulnerable...all I’ve seen since he’s been here for a so called experienced pedigree defender - He doesn’t win much in the air - he makes shocking decisions to dive in when it’s blatantly obvious it’s the wrong decision...the 1st penalty against Plymouth for example - hides in the shadows of his playing partner - distribution is awful. James Clarke Isn’t league one top 10 standard, he’s so limited and hesitant on n the ball and just being able to defend isn’t enough at this level. He needs to go... The rest of the season we should give Nichols a run of games so everyone can see if he’s up to it or sell him in the summer.... Broadbent should play every game to get his game experience up... He’s the future not Craig.... The summer is now time to be ruthless and let go of the players that will hinder us and invest in players that will make the difference to push for top 6 positions, as it’s obvious that now Taylor and bodin have been sold over 2 seasons we won’t get higher than 9-10th in the league... I believe dc will pick what he considers his best team for every match until the end of the season. We still have an outside chance of making the play-offs. Craig is decent in the air,has a good left foot and is a good passer of the ball. The thing you said about "hiding in the shadows of his partner" is beyond laughable. I will be glad when people move onto the next player to blame for everything to be honest. Craig has made mistakes since hes signed i agree with that much. You were so wrong on your judgement of ellis as a footballer that its hard to take your critique of any player seriously frankly. Craig isn't very good in the air and that's a fact |
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 19, 2018 13:02:37 GMT
The top sides in this division are invariably teams who keep settled sides. A clear assumption, so I though I'd have a little look at the teams put out by the top sides in the division, and see if this was 'invariably' true. So far this season, 23 players have started for Rovers in the League. Taking the top sides in the division as the top 6: Blackburn - 27 players have started Shrewsbury - 24 Wigan - 33 Rotherham - 24 Scunthorpe - 24 Plymouth - 22 So no evidence for your assumption there. Another good source is www.thestatszone.com/2017-18-line-up-changes-in-english-football who actually analysed the number of changes per game for every team, in the League, up until 7 February. Rovers - 2.7 changes per game. Blackburn - 1.9 Shrewsbury - 1.8 Wigan - 1.1 Rotherham - 2.1 Scunthorpe - 1.8 Plymouth - 1.6 So a slight difference, but generally less than a player per game extra. Is this significant? I'm not sure. What we can see from this is that although Rovers do make (slightly) more changes per game, it is from a 'tighter' squad than most -the changes are from a regular group of players. Another question is, if the top sides are more settled than Rovers - is this cause, or effect? In other words, are the top sides more successful because they are settled, or are they settled because they are more successful, therefore less pressure to change the team? If anyone has any ideas of how to prove this statistically, then please do let me know! |
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Post by baggins on Mar 19, 2018 13:07:43 GMT
I believe dc will pick what he considers his best team for every match until the end of the season. We still have an outside chance of making the play-offs. Craig is decent in the air,has a good left foot and is a good passer of the ball. The thing you said about "hiding in the shadows of his partner" is beyond laughable. I will be glad when people move onto the next player to blame for everything to be honest. Craig has made mistakes since hes signed i agree with that much. You were so wrong on your judgement of ellis as a footballer that its hard to take your critique of any player seriously frankly. Craig isn't very good in the air and that's a fact Judging by his performances compared to Sweeney & Broadbent I'm not quite sure why he's here at all. |
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 19, 2018 13:21:12 GMT
Twertonboy,
Feel you are a bit harsh on Craig on all counts
He wins most in the air and has done since he has been here of balls coming forward- it is the crosses in where he has had problems on three occasions two of which it is questionable whether he could have won the ball.
Shocking decisions to dive in? How many of these has he done? hardly dived in on the first penalty-it was a blatant dive.
Hides in the shadow? You are having a laugh He organises more than Lockyer ever does and can hardly hide as he is the opposite side of the defence.
distribution is far better than Lockyers and I just can't see where you have comne to that conclusion.
It is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I almost feel as if you are just against him because he has taken Broadbents place .IMO Broadbent has had a great season but has shown signs of naiviety which is to be expected however it will be interesting if DC pairs him with Craig on Saturday. IMO if they do well then Lockyer should start on the bench next game and fight for his place like most other players.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 19, 2018 13:29:45 GMT
Faggotygas,
Interesting figures and I would say of the two, the changes per game is more reliable to judge than the number of players who have started as many may have played just one or two games for injuries/suspensions. I would say that the 2.7 per game is a fair bit more than 5 out of the 6 that are 1+. I would also add that not only do we make the changes but also change the formation with it that IMO makes it even worse to get a settled style of play or consistency in performances. Just my opinion.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 19, 2018 13:36:55 GMT
Twertonboy, Feel you are a bit harsh on Craig on all counts He wins most in the air and has done since he has been here of balls coming forward- it is the crosses in where he has had problems on three occasions two of which it is questionable whether he could have won the ball. Shocking decisions to dive in? How many of these has he done? hardly dived in on the first penalty-it was a blatant dive. Hides in the shadow? You are having a laugh He organises more than Lockyer ever does and can hardly hide as he is the opposite side of the defence. distribution is far better than Lockyers and I just can't see where you have comne to that conclusion. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I almost feel as if you are just against him because he has taken Broadbents place .IMO Broadbent has had a great season but has shown signs of naiviety which is to be expected however it will be interesting if DC pairs him with Craig on Saturday. IMO if they do well then Lockyer should start on the bench next game and fight for his place like most other players. Craig didn't have to fight for his place like most others. He replaced someone who was in good form and from what I've seen isn't playing as well as the player he replaced. |
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 19, 2018 13:45:43 GMT
Faggotygas, Interesting figures and I would say of the two, the changes per game is more reliable to judge than the number of players who have started as many may have played just one or two games for injuries/suspensions. I would say that the 2.7 per game is a fair bit more than 5 out of the 6 that are 1+. I would also add that not only do we make the changes but also change the formation with it that IMO makes it even worse to get a settled style of play or consistency in performances. Just my opinion. It is, I wouldn't say a huge difference between 1.8 changes a game and 2.7, but anyway like I say, is the cause or effect? If we were higher up the division, would we have a more settled team? I can remember in the past when we have had good runs, it has generally been with a more settled team. This seems to me to indicate that DC changes the team because we've not played well, rather than taking each game as a 'project' - surely if that was the case, then he would change the team just as often when winning as losing.
I would also assert that although we may have a less settled team than those above us, we have a more settled squad.
How have Wigan used 33 players when only making 1.1 changes per game?!
Formations - I can't remember us playing anything other than a 4-3-3 or a diamond 4-4-2 at home since mid October. Maybe it's different away, I've only been to a couple. Are we sure that the top teams don't change formations? Hard to prove, that one.
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Post by baggins on Mar 19, 2018 13:47:08 GMT
Twertonboy, Feel you are a bit harsh on Craig on all counts He wins most in the air and has done since he has been here of balls coming forward- it is the crosses in where he has had problems on three occasions two of which it is questionable whether he could have won the ball. Shocking decisions to dive in? How many of these has he done? hardly dived in on the first penalty-it was a blatant dive. Hides in the shadow? You are having a laugh He organises more than Lockyer ever does and can hardly hide as he is the opposite side of the defence. distribution is far better than Lockyers and I just can't see where you have comne to that conclusion. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I almost feel as if you are just against him because he has taken Broadbents place .IMO Broadbent has had a great season but has shown signs of naiviety which is to be expected however it will be interesting if DC pairs him with Craig on Saturday. IMO if they do well then Lockyer should start on the bench next game and fight for his place like most other players. Craig didn't have to fight for his place like most others. He replaced someone who was in good form and from what I've seen isn't playing as well as the player he replaced. I don't get his straight into the starting 11 bit. Broadbent offers so much more, size, playing out from the back 4, it's a mystery. Maybe Scooby can solve it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 13:48:32 GMT
Having everyone back for corners winds me up but I wouldn't choose Ellis as the one to stay forward. A bit like Alan Shearer at Newcastle or Drogba at Chelsea Ellis is probably our best defender of corners in that near post area. I'd leave the likes of Bennett, Nicholls, Telford on the halfway line to feed off clearances and start counter attacks. They are too small to add much in the air defensively and better keep them well away and stop more opposition going forward. How can you have 2 players sat on the bench on the halfway line ? I think you know what I meant but I'll respond anyway. I don't see the point in having smaller players back in our own box defending corners when all it does is enable more of the opposition to come forward - IMO much better to occupy some of the opposition as far away from our goal as possible. I referred to "the likes of Bennett, Nicholls and Telford" meaning that type of player. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 13:55:05 GMT
Craig didn't have to fight for his place like most others. He replaced someone who was in good form and from what I've seen isn't playing as well as the player he replaced. I don't get his straight into the starting 11 bit. Broadbent offers so much more, size, playing out from the back 4, it's a mystery. Maybe Scooby can solve it? I think he should have waited for an opportunity and just been a matchday squad member rather than straight into the starting XI. It is rare for DC to put a new signing in straight away so perhaps Craig insisted on a starting place during his signing talks and backed himself to keep his place? I think he has a lot to offer with experience and know how, could have perhaps done with that two months before he actually signed when we were struggling? Coming in and forcing Broadbent out of the matchday squad when he did didn't send a great message to the rest of the squad or fans IMO. |
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