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Apr 12, 2018 11:57:45 GMT
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Post by baggins on Apr 12, 2018 11:57:45 GMT
What on earth are we getting involved in this crap for?
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Apr 12, 2018 12:13:11 GMT
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Apr 12, 2018 12:13:11 GMT
What on earth are we getting involved in this crap for? I think May has to thank our "allies" for standing by us over Salisbury, so she is going all guns blazing over Syria.
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Apr 12, 2018 12:18:56 GMT
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Post by baggins on Apr 12, 2018 12:18:56 GMT
What on earth are we getting involved in this crap for? I think May has to thank our "allies" for standing by us over Salisbury, so she is going all guns blazing over Syria. Salisbury? We're going to war over Salisbury? My sat nav doesn't even know where Salisbury is for crying out loud. And Trump is our allie? God help us all.
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Apr 12, 2018 21:23:41 GMT
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Post by althepirate on Apr 12, 2018 21:23:41 GMT
I think he meant to say Sainsbury's
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 14, 2018 6:44:18 GMT
I think he meant to say Sainsbury's Well, I`m as patriotic as the next guy, but I`ll be *ed if I`m going to war over Sainsbury`s. Especially after they shafted us, over our new stadium.
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Apr 14, 2018 8:32:30 GMT
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Apr 14, 2018 8:32:30 GMT
All that'll happen is a few tomahawks will get fired from The Med, everyone says what a bad man he is, we all slap each others backs, job well done. Sound familiar?
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Post by axegas on Apr 14, 2018 9:57:19 GMT
Far more innocent civilians have been killed by this country’s sale of arms to Saudi Arabia and Israel than Syria did through the attacks in eastern ghouta.
Western involvement in these places just makes things worse. This will come back to hurt us I fear.
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Apr 14, 2018 23:13:23 GMT
Post by pirate on Apr 14, 2018 23:13:23 GMT
Far more innocent civilians have been killed by this country’s sale of arms to Saudi Arabia and Israel than Syria did through the attacks in eastern ghouta. Western involvement in these places just makes things worse. This will come back to hurt us I fear. Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachments:
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Apr 14, 2018 23:16:43 GMT
Post by pirate on Apr 14, 2018 23:16:43 GMT
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Apr 15, 2018 17:32:10 GMT
Post by inee on Apr 15, 2018 17:32:10 GMT
Far more innocent civilians have been killed by this country’s sale of arms to Saudi Arabia and Israel than Syria did through the attacks in eastern ghouta. Western involvement in these places just makes things worse. This will come back to hurt us I fear. It's not just us though is it ,it's only now it's being reported quicker ,even in ww2 everybody were funnelling money,raw materials and turning a blind eye ,during the falklands our so called ally and eu partners france were perfecting the exocet in argentina during the war knowing what they were used for , it's an age old problem and as long as so much money is to be made from war it will continue. Don't forget we tossed out people and gave land to resettle the jewish faith ,who then have ragged war on those living around them, however what right do we as westerners have to impose our values on others in their own countries ,ie what gives us the right to attack muslim countries and impose our way of life on those who choose to live there whilst arming and funding another faith based country ,then turn a blind eye to the atrocities and destruction they are reaping on their neighbours. I don't care if other countries destroy each other in the most inhumane ways possible but i do care about all of our young troops who get sent there to try and impose our so called morals and values on those countries ,it has always came back to haunt us more in the past than now ,although i fear for future generations in this country,things are going to get a lot harsher till it gets better. Used to think banning religion worldwide would be a good start ,but now realise the weak would just start off another type of religion then another and would end up back at square one. As long as people believe in fairy tales and become puppet regimes of the west ,then fall out with the west ,the world will continually be at war.
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Apr 15, 2018 18:38:31 GMT
Post by pirate on Apr 15, 2018 18:38:31 GMT
Far more innocent civilians have been killed by this country’s sale of arms to Saudi Arabia and Israel than Syria did through the attacks in eastern ghouta. Western involvement in these places just makes things worse. This will come back to hurt us I fear. It's not just us though is it ,it's only now it's being reported quicker ,even in ww2 everybody were funnelling money,raw materials and turning a blind eye ,during the falklands our so called ally and eu partners france were perfecting the exocet in argentina during the war knowing what they were used for , it's an age old problem and as long as so much money is to be made from war it will continue. Don't forget we tossed out people and gave land to resettle the jewish faith ,who then have ragged war on those living around them, however what right do we as westerners have to impose our values on others in their own countries ,ie what gives us the right to attack muslim countries and impose our way of life on those who choose to live there whilst arming and funding another faith based country ,then turn a blind eye to the atrocities and destruction they are reaping on their neighbours. I don't care if other countries destroy each other in the most inhumane ways possible but i do care about all of our young troops who get sent there to try and impose our so called morals and values on those countries ,it has always came back to haunt us more in the past than now ,although i fear for future generations in this country,things are going to get a lot harsher till it gets better. Used to think banning religion worldwide would be a good start ,but now realise the weak would just start off another type of religion then another and would end up back at square one. As long as people believe in fairy tales and become puppet regimes of the west ,then fall out with the west ,the world will continually be at war. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/amp/As for the destruction of the middle east, you have to ask cui bono? There was the Project For The New American Century document written just before 9/11. Of the twenty-five people who signed PNAC's founding statement of principles, ten went on to serve in the administration of George W. Bush, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz. The directors of PNAC included John Bolton and Robert Kagan. Then you have the Oded Yinon plan, or Greater Israel Project, from back in the 80's. If you haven't heard of it, see here: www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815/amp According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.” Also, 'Genie Energy' is pursuing a conventional oil project in the Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan Heights. The president of its Israeli subsidiary is Efraim "Effi" Eitam, an Israeli politician and former military commander. electronicintifada.net/content/we-will-have-kill-them-all-effie-eitam-thug-messiah/8555Genie Energy's Strategic advisory board is composed of: Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, James Woolsey (former CIA director), Larry Summers (former head of the US Treasury), Bill Richardson, (former Governor of New Mexico, an ex-ambassador to the United Nations and United States Energy Secretary), Michael Steinhardt and Jacob Rothschild.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 1:03:27 GMT
The most crucial arms sale of the falklands war was the americans providing us with the brilliant latest version of the sidewinder missile used to deadly effect by sea harriers in that conflict.
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Apr 16, 2018 7:32:54 GMT
Post by William Wilson on Apr 16, 2018 7:32:54 GMT
It's not just us though is it ,it's only now it's being reported quicker ,even in ww2 everybody were funnelling money,raw materials and turning a blind eye ,during the falklands our so called ally and eu partners france were perfecting the exocet in argentina during the war knowing what they were used for , it's an age old problem and as long as so much money is to be made from war it will continue. Don't forget we tossed out people and gave land to resettle the jewish faith ,who then have ragged war on those living around them, however what right do we as westerners have to impose our values on others in their own countries ,ie what gives us the right to attack muslim countries and impose our way of life on those who choose to live there whilst arming and funding another faith based country ,then turn a blind eye to the atrocities and destruction they are reaping on their neighbours. I don't care if other countries destroy each other in the most inhumane ways possible but i do care about all of our young troops who get sent there to try and impose our so called morals and values on those countries ,it has always came back to haunt us more in the past than now ,although i fear for future generations in this country,things are going to get a lot harsher till it gets better. Used to think banning religion worldwide would be a good start ,but now realise the weak would just start off another type of religion then another and would end up back at square one. As long as people believe in fairy tales and become puppet regimes of the west ,then fall out with the west ,the world will continually be at war. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/amp/As for the destruction of the middle east, you have to ask cui bono? There was the Project For The New American Century document written just before 9/11. Of the twenty-five people who signed PNAC's founding statement of principles, ten went on to serve in the administration of George W. Bush, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz. The directors of PNAC included John Bolton and Robert Kagan. Then you have the Oded Yinon plan, or Greater Israel Project, from back in the 80's. If you haven't heard of it, see here: www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815/amp According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.” Also, 'Genie Energy' is pursuing a conventional oil project in the Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan Heights. The president of its Israeli subsidiary is Efraim "Effi" Eitam, an Israeli politician and former military commander. electronicintifada.net/content/we-will-have-kill-them-all-effie-eitam-thug-messiah/8555Genie Energy's Strategic advisory board is composed of: Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, James Woolsey (former CIA director), Larry Summers (former head of the US Treasury), Bill Richardson, (former Governor of New Mexico, an ex-ambassador to the United Nations and United States Energy Secretary), Michael Steinhardt and Jacob Rothschild.
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Apr 16, 2018 11:45:57 GMT
Post by inee on Apr 16, 2018 11:45:57 GMT
The most crucial arms sale of the falklands war was the americans providing us with the brilliant latest version of the sidewinder missile used to deadly effect by sea harriers in that conflict. Good point BB ,it just winds i up when so called allies give our enemies weapons, although the reality is we play that game too ,but it still galls. Although our troops are one of if not the best in the world when it comes to actually fighting rather than the yank approach of bomb the sh** out of it and wait for us to go in on foot ,one of the best examples of this was i think in iraq where the yanks were stopped on a bridge closely grouped firing blindly ,then as i recall we went in on foot and sorted it , as for the Falklands not many countries could do what we did
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Post by baggins on Apr 16, 2018 11:56:38 GMT
The most crucial arms sale of the falklands war was the americans providing us with the brilliant latest version of the sidewinder missile used to deadly effect by sea harriers in that conflict. Good point BB ,it just winds i up when so called allies give our enemies weapons, although the reality is we play that game too ,but it still galls. Although our troops are one of if not the best in the world when it comes to actually fighting rather than the yank approach of bomb the sh** out of it and wait for us to go in on foot ,one of the best examples of this was i think in iraq where the yanks were stopped on a bridge closely grouped firing blindly ,then as i recall we went in on foot and sorted it , as for the Falklands not many countries could do what we did Unfortunately, there aren't many conflicts these days where we'd feel comfortable going into without the US. Much though they're a bit 'gun ho', it's nice to have them on our side.
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Apr 16, 2018 13:33:20 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 16, 2018 13:33:20 GMT
The most crucial arms sale of the falklands war was the americans providing us with the brilliant latest version of the sidewinder missile used to deadly effect by sea harriers in that conflict. Good point BB ,it just winds i up when so called allies give our enemies weapons, although the reality is we play that game too ,but it still galls. Although our troops are one of if not the best in the world when it comes to actually fighting rather than the yank approach of bomb the sh** out of it and wait for us to go in on foot ,one of the best examples of this was i think in iraq where the yanks were stopped on a bridge closely grouped firing blindly ,then as i recall we went in on foot and sorted it , as for the Falklands not many countries could do what we did That version of the Sidewinder missile (the L or Lima) was actually a bit of a myth interms of its importance. The vast majority of Sea Harrier engagements were within the parameters of the existing, previous version. The real benefit the US gave us was logistics and intelligence. Logistics being near unlimited fuel and the use of Wideawake airfield which was a NASA asset and intelligence being satellite and communications. We also had access to the Stinger (SAS and SBS only) and the first one used was by an SAS man who hit a plane. Apocryphally he later went to the US to be trained by them in its use. Couldn't hit anything afterwards though and was just a fluke. As regards to the French, they were praised and quite rightly by many. They did a lot for us especially the pre deployment training with their fighters which were the same as the Argentinians used and gave our pilots great insight. The Dassault team working with the Exocets may or may not have included a DSGE agent. Not sure which event you're referring to in Iraq but I think you are underplaying the US ability and style. We are good at the small scale stuff but over a certain size of deployment the US comes into its own by quite a margin. They learnt a lot in Iraq and we forgot a lot too. In terms of ability, there were only four nations who could have done what we did in the Falklands according to the Franks Report commissioned after the war.
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Apr 16, 2018 20:40:44 GMT
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Post by axegas on Apr 16, 2018 20:40:44 GMT
Good point BB ,it just winds i up when so called allies give our enemies weapons, although the reality is we play that game too ,but it still galls. Although our troops are one of if not the best in the world when it comes to actually fighting rather than the yank approach of bomb the sh** out of it and wait for us to go in on foot ,one of the best examples of this was i think in iraq where the yanks were stopped on a bridge closely grouped firing blindly ,then as i recall we went in on foot and sorted it , as for the Falklands not many countries could do what we did That version of the Sidewinder missile (the L or Lima) was actually a bit of a myth interms of its importance. The vast majority of Sea Harrier engagements were within the parameters of the existing, previous version. The real benefit the US gave us was logistics and intelligence. Logistics being near unlimited fuel and the use of Wideawake airfield which was a NASA asset and intelligence being satellite and communications. We also had access to the Stinger (SAS and SBS only) and the first one used was by an SAS man who hit a plane. Apocryphally he later went to the US to be trained by them in its use. Couldn't hit anything afterwards though and was just a fluke. As regards to the French, they were praised and quite rightly by many. They did a lot for us especially the pre deployment training with their fighters which were the same as the Argentinians used and gave our pilots great insight. The Dassault team working with the Exocets may or may not have included a DSGE agent. Not sure which event you're referring to in Iraq but I think you are underplaying the US ability and style. We are good at the small scale stuff but over a certain size of deployment the US comes into its own by quite a margin. They learnt a lot in Iraq and we forgot a lot too. In terms of ability, there were only four nations who could have done what we did in the Falklands according to the Franks Report commissioned after the war. Also another thing that is forgotten about the Falkands is the help we received from the navies of Canada and Australia. They covered Royal Navy patrols in the English Sea and the North Sea so that the RN could deploy more men and ships to the South Atlantic thus increasing our fighting strength and capabilities. The French did a lot too. Sorry if this threads going a bit off topic.
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Apr 16, 2018 23:13:36 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 16, 2018 23:13:36 GMT
No need to apologise, par for the course on here 😁
The New Zealanders were reputedly chomping at the bit to get involved, and don't forget the Chileans🙄
Back on topic, I see that the inspectors are still stuck in Damascus. Also, a Russian journalist has 'committed suicide' after researching Russian mercenaries.
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