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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 8:58:56 GMT
What the f**k is the matter with these people? Boris now talking about 'creative ambiguity' on how and when the £39bn is paid. What does that even mean? more soundbites and no substance The former Vote Leave leader, who hopes to become prime minister, also called for a “commonsensical” no-deal exit to allow the “incubus” of Brexit to be “pitchforked off the back of British politics”.just utter giberish and again He said: “Let me tell you, there are abundant, abundant technical fixes that can be introduced to make sure that you don’t have to have checks at the border.Like what Boris. Give us a f**king example? He said: “Let me tell you, there are abundant, abundant technical fixes that can be introduced to make sure that you don’t have to have checks at the border. There are already differences in VAT and Currency over the Irish Border. Both things are 'taken care of' away from the border. Both sides currently have the exact same standards, and will do for a number of years, so, what is the problem? My worry, is that even just discussing this that Johnson feels that the May's WA could be amended. The Irish Protocol is just one of many problems with the WA. Sorry, but it's Leave on Oct 31st with No Deal, or it's the end of the Tory Party.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 9:36:23 GMT
What the f**k is the matter with these people? Boris now talking about 'creative ambiguity' on how and when the £39bn is paid. What does that even mean? more soundbites and no substance The former Vote Leave leader, who hopes to become prime minister, also called for a “commonsensical” no-deal exit to allow the “incubus” of Brexit to be “pitchforked off the back of British politics”.just utter giberish and again He said: “Let me tell you, there are abundant, abundant technical fixes that can be introduced to make sure that you don’t have to have checks at the border.Like what Boris. Give us a f**king example? He said: “Let me tell you, there are abundant, abundant technical fixes that can be introduced to make sure that you don’t have to have checks at the border. There are already differences in VAT and Currency over the Irish Border. Both things are 'taken care of' away from the border. Both sides currently have the exact same standards, and will do for a number of years, so, what is the problem? My worry, is that even just discussing this that Johnson feels that the May's WA could be amended. The Irish Protocol is just one of many problems with the WA. Sorry, but it's Leave on Oct 31st with No Deal, or it's the end of the Tory Party. What happens to the Tory is not relevant really, is it. What happens to our economy under a no deal scenario is very relevant. And, Simon is absolutely right. Johnson and co, trying to sound clever whilst spouting utter gibberish (something he has in common with Rees-Mogg and the ERG more generally) doesn't cut it. I remember asking months ago, "what's the plan" Let's try again, what's the plan? Anyone??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 9:47:35 GMT
There are already differences in VAT and Currency over the Irish Border. Both things are 'taken care of' away from the border. Both sides currently have the exact same standards, and will do for a number of years, so, what is the problem? My worry, is that even just discussing this that Johnson feels that the May's WA could be amended. The Irish Protocol is just one of many problems with the WA. Sorry, but it's Leave on Oct 31st with No Deal, or it's the end of the Tory Party. What happens to the Tory is not relevant really, is it. What happens to our economy under a no deal scenario is very relevant. And, Simon is absolutely right. Johnson and co, trying to sound clever whilst spouting utter gibberish (something he has in common with Rees-Mogg and the ERG more generally) doesn't cut it. I remember asking months ago, "what's the plan" Let's try again, what's the plan? Anyone?? Aren't you aware? The default position is that the UK leave the EU on Oct 31st, either with a Deal or without a Deal, as voted for by 498 MP's when invoking Article 50 ! That's the plan. Until the UK leave the EU then we will be stuck in limbo land, which suits the EU quite nicely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 10:40:27 GMT
What happens to the Tory is not relevant really, is it. What happens to our economy under a no deal scenario is very relevant. And, Simon is absolutely right. Johnson and co, trying to sound clever whilst spouting utter gibberish (something he has in common with Rees-Mogg and the ERG more generally) doesn't cut it. I remember asking months ago, "what's the plan" Let's try again, what's the plan? Anyone?? Aren't you aware? The default position is that the UK leave the EU on Oct 31st, either with a Deal or without a Deal, as voted for by 498 MP's when invoking Article 50 ! That's the plan. Until the UK leave the EU then we will be stuck in limbo land, which suits the EU quite nicely. We are all aware. If the EU refuse to extend and we are still in Limbo, we crash out with no deal. Before that happens though I suspect Johnson (assuming he wins) will lose a vote of confidence thus causing a General Election. That being the case I suspect the EU will grant extension to allow that election to take place. But let's ignore all that. Let's say the intent (as opposed to a plan) is to leave with no deal. What's the plan on trade tariffs? What's the plan on agricultural and environmental subsidies? What's the plan on trade treaties to replace the 87 we lose (a proper phased target would be great wouldn't it) Whats the monetary and fiscal contingency plan in the event of a downturn in the economy and a reduction in tax revenues? Whats the contingency plan if our currency continues to depreciate and debt financing (and refinancing) becomes problematic? Whats the capital investment plan and replacement subsidy plans for regions of the UK that receive such funds from the EU currently? I have seen none of this laid out other than very vague promises.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 11:05:50 GMT
Aren't you aware? The default position is that the UK leave the EU on Oct 31st, either with a Deal or without a Deal, as voted for by 498 MP's when invoking Article 50 ! That's the plan. Until the UK leave the EU then we will be stuck in limbo land, which suits the EU quite nicely. We are all aware. If the EU refuse to extend and we are still in Limbo, we crash out with no deal. Before that happens though I suspect Johnson (assuming he wins) will lose a vote of confidence thus causing a General Election. That being the case I suspect the EU will grant extension to allow that election to take place. But let's ignore all that. Let's say the intent (as opposed to a plan) is to leave with no deal. What's the plan on trade tariffs? What's the plan on agricultural and environmental subsidies? What's the plan on trade treaties to replace the 87 we lose (a proper phased target would be great wouldn't it) Whats the monetary and fiscal contingency plan in the event of a downturn in the economy and a reduction in tax revenues? Whats the contingency plan if our currency continues to depreciate and debt financing (and refinancing) becomes problematic? Whats the capital investment plan and replacement subsidy plans for regions of the UK that receive such funds from the EU currently? I have seen none of this laid out other than very vague promises. The EU can only refuse to extend if the UK ask for an extension. If there is no extension request (and another one is highly unlikely) we leave on Oct 31st. There is nothing that can stop it. All channels have been tried by Parliament to thwart the wishes of the British Electorate. If the government lose a Vote of No Confidence, it does not automatically mean a GE. First there is a 14 day period which is open for 'someone' to form a government. If that fails, then it will be a GE. At this moment in time, if all MP's vote as expected, the government would win that vote. However, I believe a GE will result in the Brexit Party being the Kingmaker in Parliament, and the price for their support would be Brexit. It's better to leave on Oct 31st rather than drag out this remain nonsense for longer than necessary. It's amazing how one or two votes in the HoC can result in law being imposed on the whole country, yet Parliament can ignore the wishes of 17.4 million people. As for your plans, why at this point, tell the EU how we propose to move forward? The EU will be our competitors. There isn't really any need to inform as to our future plans. Didn't Mark Sedwell (Head of Civil Service) say two weeks ago that a lot of work has been going on and the UK is very well prepared for Ne Deal Brexit? We have to get out of the EU first.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 25, 2019 11:11:19 GMT
We are all aware. If the EU refuse to extend and we are still in Limbo, we crash out with no deal. Before that happens though I suspect Johnson (assuming he wins) will lose a vote of confidence thus causing a General Election. That being the case I suspect the EU will grant extension to allow that election to take place. But let's ignore all that. Let's say the intent (as opposed to a plan) is to leave with no deal. What's the plan on trade tariffs? What's the plan on agricultural and environmental subsidies? What's the plan on trade treaties to replace the 87 we lose (a proper phased target would be great wouldn't it) Whats the monetary and fiscal contingency plan in the event of a downturn in the economy and a reduction in tax revenues? Whats the contingency plan if our currency continues to depreciate and debt financing (and refinancing) becomes problematic? Whats the capital investment plan and replacement subsidy plans for regions of the UK that receive such funds from the EU currently? I have seen none of this laid out other than very vague promises. The EU can only refuse to extend if the UK ask for an extension. If there is no extension request (and another one is highly unlikely) we leave on Oct 31st. There is nothing that can stop it. All channels have been tried by Parliament to thwart the wishes of the British Electorate. If the government lose a Vote of No Confidence, it does not automatically mean a GE. First there is a 14 day period which is open for 'someone' to form a government. If that fails, then it will be a GE. At this moment in time, if all MP's vote as expected, the government would win that vote. However, I believe a GE will result in the Brexit Party being the Kingmaker in Parliament, and the price for their support would be Brexit. It's better to leave on Oct 31st rather than drag out this remain nonsense for longer than necessary. It's amazing how one or two votes in the HoC can result in law being imposed on the whole country, yet Parliament can ignore the wishes of 17.4 million people. As for your plans, why at this point, tell the EU how we propose to move forward? The EU will be our competitors. There isn't really any need to inform as to our future plans. Didn't Mark Sedwell (Head of Civil Service) say two weeks ago that a lot of work has been going on and the UK is very well prepared for Ne Deal Brexit? We have to get out of the EU first. Depends what plans you mean. Even Boris wants a deal, so when he talks about technical solutions to the border, how about he actually put some flesh on the bones rsther than repeat phrases with no substance
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 11:12:13 GMT
Future EU expansion. It's from the BBC, so it must be true. I wonder if any of them will be Nett Contributors? BBC
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 11:15:01 GMT
The EU can only refuse to extend if the UK ask for an extension. If there is no extension request (and another one is highly unlikely) we leave on Oct 31st. There is nothing that can stop it. All channels have been tried by Parliament to thwart the wishes of the British Electorate. If the government lose a Vote of No Confidence, it does not automatically mean a GE. First there is a 14 day period which is open for 'someone' to form a government. If that fails, then it will be a GE. At this moment in time, if all MP's vote as expected, the government would win that vote. However, I believe a GE will result in the Brexit Party being the Kingmaker in Parliament, and the price for their support would be Brexit. It's better to leave on Oct 31st rather than drag out this remain nonsense for longer than necessary. It's amazing how one or two votes in the HoC can result in law being imposed on the whole country, yet Parliament can ignore the wishes of 17.4 million people. As for your plans, why at this point, tell the EU how we propose to move forward? The EU will be our competitors. There isn't really any need to inform as to our future plans. Didn't Mark Sedwell (Head of Civil Service) say two weeks ago that a lot of work has been going on and the UK is very well prepared for Ne Deal Brexit? We have to get out of the EU first. Depends what plans you mean. Even Boris wants a deal, so when he talks about technical solutions to the border, how about he actually put some flesh on the bones rsther than repeat phrases with no substance Every one would prefer a deal, but it ain't going to happen. The EU have got everything they have dreamed about with the WA. For the UK that Treaty is unfit for purpose. Let's not beat about the bush here. It's an appalling document. Just changing the Irish Protocol would still leave it as an appalling document.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 25, 2019 11:24:33 GMT
We are all aware. If the EU refuse to extend and we are still in Limbo, we crash out with no deal. Before that happens though I suspect Johnson (assuming he wins) will lose a vote of confidence thus causing a General Election. That being the case I suspect the EU will grant extension to allow that election to take place. But let's ignore all that. Let's say the intent (as opposed to a plan) is to leave with no deal. What's the plan on trade tariffs? What's the plan on agricultural and environmental subsidies? What's the plan on trade treaties to replace the 87 we lose (a proper phased target would be great wouldn't it) Whats the monetary and fiscal contingency plan in the event of a downturn in the economy and a reduction in tax revenues? Whats the contingency plan if our currency continues to depreciate and debt financing (and refinancing) becomes problematic? Whats the capital investment plan and replacement subsidy plans for regions of the UK that receive such funds from the EU currently? I have seen none of this laid out other than very vague promises. The EU can only refuse to extend if the UK ask for an extension. If there is no extension request (and another one is highly unlikely) we leave on Oct 31st. There is nothing that can stop it. All channels have been tried by Parliament to thwart the wishes of the British Electorate. If the government lose a Vote of No Confidence, it does not automatically mean a GE. First there is a 14 day period which is open for 'someone' to form a government. If that fails, then it will be a GE. At this moment in time, if all MP's vote as expected, the government would win that vote. However, I believe a GE will result in the Brexit Party being the Kingmaker in Parliament, and the price for their support would be Brexit. It's better to leave on Oct 31st rather than drag out this remain nonsense for longer than necessary. It's amazing how one or two votes in the HoC can result in law being imposed on the whole country, yet Parliament can ignore the wishes of 17.4 million people. As for your plans, why at this point, tell the EU how we propose to move forward? The EU will be our competitors. There isn't really any need to inform as to our future plans. Didn't Mark Sedwell (Head of Civil Service) say two weeks ago that a lot of work has been going on and the UK is very well prepared for Ne Deal Brexit? We have to get out of the EU first. Parliament are ignoring 17M voters who voted to remain too. No one is winning here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 11:35:23 GMT
The EU can only refuse to extend if the UK ask for an extension. If there is no extension request (and another one is highly unlikely) we leave on Oct 31st. There is nothing that can stop it. All channels have been tried by Parliament to thwart the wishes of the British Electorate. If the government lose a Vote of No Confidence, it does not automatically mean a GE. First there is a 14 day period which is open for 'someone' to form a government. If that fails, then it will be a GE. At this moment in time, if all MP's vote as expected, the government would win that vote. However, I believe a GE will result in the Brexit Party being the Kingmaker in Parliament, and the price for their support would be Brexit. It's better to leave on Oct 31st rather than drag out this remain nonsense for longer than necessary. It's amazing how one or two votes in the HoC can result in law being imposed on the whole country, yet Parliament can ignore the wishes of 17.4 million people. As for your plans, why at this point, tell the EU how we propose to move forward? The EU will be our competitors. There isn't really any need to inform as to our future plans. Didn't Mark Sedwell (Head of Civil Service) say two weeks ago that a lot of work has been going on and the UK is very well prepared for Ne Deal Brexit? We have to get out of the EU first. Parliament are ignoring 17M voters who voted to remain too. No one is winning here. 16m.......and if anything by stopping Brexit Parliament are supporting the minority vote ! There cannot be a 'compromise'. This has already been established. You cannot be half-in, half-out the EU. There are no 'winners or losers', there is just the democratic will of the British Electorate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 12:43:26 GMT
We are all aware. If the EU refuse to extend and we are still in Limbo, we crash out with no deal. Before that happens though I suspect Johnson (assuming he wins) will lose a vote of confidence thus causing a General Election. That being the case I suspect the EU will grant extension to allow that election to take place. But let's ignore all that. Let's say the intent (as opposed to a plan) is to leave with no deal. What's the plan on trade tariffs? What's the plan on agricultural and environmental subsidies? What's the plan on trade treaties to replace the 87 we lose (a proper phased target would be great wouldn't it) Whats the monetary and fiscal contingency plan in the event of a downturn in the economy and a reduction in tax revenues? Whats the contingency plan if our currency continues to depreciate and debt financing (and refinancing) becomes problematic? Whats the capital investment plan and replacement subsidy plans for regions of the UK that receive such funds from the EU currently? I have seen none of this laid out other than very vague promises. The EU can only refuse to extend if the UK ask for an extension. If there is no extension request (and another one is highly unlikely) we leave on Oct 31st. There is nothing that can stop it. All channels have been tried by Parliament to thwart the wishes of the British Electorate. If the government lose a Vote of No Confidence, it does not automatically mean a GE. First there is a 14 day period which is open for 'someone' to form a government. If that fails, then it will be a GE. At this moment in time, if all MP's vote as expected, the government would win that vote. However, I believe a GE will result in the Brexit Party being the Kingmaker in Parliament, and the price for their support would be Brexit. It's better to leave on Oct 31st rather than drag out this remain nonsense for longer than necessary. It's amazing how one or two votes in the HoC can result in law being imposed on the whole country, yet Parliament can ignore the wishes of 17.4 million people. As for your plans, why at this point, tell the EU how we propose to move forward? The EU will be our competitors. There isn't really any need to inform as to our future plans. Didn't Mark Sedwell (Head of Civil Service) say two weeks ago that a lot of work has been going on and the UK is very well prepared for Ne Deal Brexit? We have to get out of the EU first. The point being, if a general election is called, I can see a majority in the House requesting an extension. As for not declaring our hand on plans, come on. We have people in Agriculture, investment decisions in industry and services, regional capital investments all pending on the outcome of the "plan" This is not a game of chicken. The reality is leavers are caught like rabbits in a headlight. Suddenly realising the complexity of it all they have just frozen. Johnson is absolutely symbolic of this, proving by steadfastly refusing to put himself for challenge. He has no plan, no clue, he is a bumbling imbecile, the useful idiot for the ERG wing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 12:50:17 GMT
The EU can only refuse to extend if the UK ask for an extension. If there is no extension request (and another one is highly unlikely) we leave on Oct 31st. There is nothing that can stop it. All channels have been tried by Parliament to thwart the wishes of the British Electorate. If the government lose a Vote of No Confidence, it does not automatically mean a GE. First there is a 14 day period which is open for 'someone' to form a government. If that fails, then it will be a GE. At this moment in time, if all MP's vote as expected, the government would win that vote. However, I believe a GE will result in the Brexit Party being the Kingmaker in Parliament, and the price for their support would be Brexit. It's better to leave on Oct 31st rather than drag out this remain nonsense for longer than necessary. It's amazing how one or two votes in the HoC can result in law being imposed on the whole country, yet Parliament can ignore the wishes of 17.4 million people. As for your plans, why at this point, tell the EU how we propose to move forward? The EU will be our competitors. There isn't really any need to inform as to our future plans. Didn't Mark Sedwell (Head of Civil Service) say two weeks ago that a lot of work has been going on and the UK is very well prepared for Ne Deal Brexit? We have to get out of the EU first. n. The point being, if a general election is called, I can see a majority in the House requesting an extensioAs for not declaring our hand on plans, come on. We have people in Agriculture, investment decisions in industry and services, regional capital investments all pending on the outcome of the "plan" This is not a game of chicken. The reality is leavers are caught like rabbits in a headlight. Suddenly realising the complexity of it all they have just frozen. Johnson is absolutely symbolic of this, proving by steadfastly refusing to put himself for challenge. He has no plan, no clue, he is a bumbling imbecile, the useful idiot for the ERG wing. "The point being, if a general election is called, I can see a majority in the House requesting an extension" - How can they? If a GE is called, Parliament is suspended, and we leave the EU on Oct 31st as it is law, as voted for by 498 MP's !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 13:20:34 GMT
n. The point being, if a general election is called, I can see a majority in the House requesting an extensioAs for not declaring our hand on plans, come on. We have people in Agriculture, investment decisions in industry and services, regional capital investments all pending on the outcome of the "plan" This is not a game of chicken. The reality is leavers are caught like rabbits in a headlight. Suddenly realising the complexity of it all they have just frozen. Johnson is absolutely symbolic of this, proving by steadfastly refusing to put himself for challenge. He has no plan, no clue, he is a bumbling imbecile, the useful idiot for the ERG wing. "The point being, if a general election is called, I can see a majority in the House requesting an extension" - How can they? If a GE is called, Parliament is suspended, and we leave the EU on Oct 31st as it is law, as voted for by 498 MP's ! If you look in the mirror and repeat 498 MPs a million times you might convince yourself that this is democracy. It's not. In our representative democracy no law is forever it's only in place until Parliament changes it. A new Parliament may well change it. Can you honestly see the Tories getting a majority? Brexit Goons may pick up half a dozen seats, depending on what they say about Brexit Labour will pick up a few, Lib Dems will pick up a lot, Greens may sneak in a couple, It really depends on Labour. I thought they would lose Peterborough easily, but they didnt. They have great organisation and commitment at local level. Anyway, that's in the land of the "what ifs'" What about these great plans for our economy and society when we leave with no deal? That's what you and ardent leavers are trying to sell us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 13:34:07 GMT
A case in point... Johnson, From a radio interview today
"Johnson also argued against the view of the Bank of England governor, Mark Carney, that the UK would be hit automatically by tariffs on exports to the EU in a no-deal Brexit, arguing the country could rely on article 24 of the general agreement on tariffs and trade (Gatt).
“He’s wrong in thinking that it’s not an option. It’s certainly an option,” Johnson said, adding: “Let’s be more positive about this. It’s time this country stopped being so down about its ability to get this done.”
Yes, let's, Let's close our eyes believe treaty rules dont apply to us. Because we are "positive".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 13:42:49 GMT
A case in point... Johnson, From a radio interview today "Johnson also argued against the view of the Bank of England governor, Mark Carney, that the UK would be hit automatically by tariffs on exports to the EU in a no-deal Brexit, arguing the country could rely on article 24 of the general agreement on tariffs and trade (Gatt). “He’s wrong in thinking that it’s not an option. It’s certainly an option,” Johnson said, adding: “Let’s be more positive about this. It’s time this country stopped being so down about its ability to get this done.” Yes, let's, Let's close our eyes believe treaty rules dont apply to us. Because we are "positive". No, Johnson is right. Why not approach the EU and propose using the Article 24 of the GATT? If both sides agree, then it would suit the purpose until an FTA could be agreed. Nobody has asked the EU yet about this. May certainly didn't. If the EU turn it down, and being honest, why would they turn it down, then it's a No Deal Brexit. Let's not forget that Tariff's work both ways, and there is a massive trade deficit of around 90 billion a year with the EU. Why would they want Tariff's?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 14:03:27 GMT
A case in point... Johnson, From a radio interview today "Johnson also argued against the view of the Bank of England governor, Mark Carney, that the UK would be hit automatically by tariffs on exports to the EU in a no-deal Brexit, arguing the country could rely on article 24 of the general agreement on tariffs and trade (Gatt). “He’s wrong in thinking that it’s not an option. It’s certainly an option,” Johnson said, adding: “Let’s be more positive about this. It’s time this country stopped being so down about its ability to get this done.” Yes, let's, Let's close our eyes believe treaty rules dont apply to us. Because we are "positive". No, Johnson is right. Why not approach the EU and propose using the Article 24 of the GATT? If both sides agree, then it would suit the purpose until an FTA could be agreed. Nobody has asked the EU yet about this. May certainly didn't. If the EU turn it down, and being honest, why would they turn it down, then it's a No Deal Brexit. Let's not forget that Tariff's work both ways, and there is a massive trade deficit of around 90 billion a year with the EU. Why would they want Tariff's? Because article 24 only applies when a trade deal is agreed pending signature. That is not the case here. If the EU applied Zero tariffs to UK imports they would, under WTO rules, have to apply zero tariffs on all imports into the EU. That's not going to happen. In the meantime, whilst we water our future up against the wall with these buffoons, the grown ups are getting on with it. EU ministers approve trade deal with Vietnam flip.it/k2f1lD
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Post by aghast on Jun 25, 2019 17:16:42 GMT
I think there is a real chance Boris will accidently on purpose cock up negotiations, so we leave without a deal if it looks politically favourable to him to do so, and 58 million of us can leap off the cliff into the unknown.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 18:10:40 GMT
I think there is a real chance Boris will accidently on purpose cock up negotiations, so we leave without a deal if it looks politically favourable to him to do so, and 58 million of us can leap off the cliff into the unknown. A couple of things, there are no negotiations, he is an idiot who is as big a prat as Theresa May. Her of being riske said she ran through a Wheat Field. He makes model busses from something or other. Ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 18:18:19 GMT
Anyone see that Leaver Genius, The Attorney General and Johnson supporter Lucy Frazer on C4 News?
"Yes, farmers in my constituency will face tariffs on their products of upto 65%. So it's important to have an interim deal as outlined in the withdrawal agreement."
That will be the Withdrawal agreement you want ditched...oh, ok then.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 25, 2019 20:48:47 GMT
From the FT:
It is three years since the UK voted to leave the EU. It did so without a clear plan about its future relationship with the bloc. Since then, the British public has been treated to a stream of more or less unworkable plans by the government and leading Brexiters about maintaining frictionless trade with the union from outside. In the words of Boris Johnson, currently the strong favourite to win the Conservative party leadership contest and succeed Theresa May as prime minister, the UK wants to have its cake and eat it.
The latest fantasy promulgated by some Brexit supporters, including Mr Johnson, is that the UK can invoke Article 24 of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (Gatt), the treaty underpinning the World Trade Organization. This, they say, would maintain an unchanged trading relationship with the EU even if the UK crashes out without a deal when the deadline expires on October 31. There has been a lot of nonsense over the past three years, but this is a strong contender for the most absurd of all.
As countless trade lawyers and other experts have patiently explained, a rarely-used provision of Article 24 allows two economies to maintain a preferential trading relationship between themselves while they are finalising and implementing a full trade deal. It is not an open-ended way of maintaining preferential long-term access to each other’s markets even before talks begin. It also requires both partners to agree to invoke it, and other member governments of the WTO can object.
Moreover, the provision applies only to tariffs on goods. Services trade would still see a severe disruption, as would the UK leaving the EU’s regulatory regime for products including manufactures and food. Whatever illusions Mr Johnson harbours that the EU will come round, it has repeatedly and rightly said it has no intention of entering into an interim Article 24 arrangement with the UK in case of a no-deal Brexit. Such an agreement would merely give Britain an excuse to flounder around endlessly trying to work out what kind of relationship it wants with the EU.
Liam Fox, the international trade secretary and a supporter of Mr Johnson’s opponent Jeremy Hunt, is himself prone to persistent over-optimism about trade negotiations. To his credit, however, he has attempted to quash the Article 24 idea. Yet Mr Johnson and his surrogates continue merrily to propagate the misleading suggestion. Not surprisingly, Mr Johnson is trying to avoid scrutiny during the campaign, ducking debates with other candidates and dodging contact with the press. How much Mr Johnson genuinely believes his arguments and how much he is trying to gull the Conservative membership is unclear. In any case, it seems to be working. Most party members want to leave the EU in October with no deal if necessary, according to surveys.
The UK government’s counterparts in Brussels have been watching the policy positions emerging from factional struggles within the Conservative party with rising incredulity. Mrs May crippled the talks from the start by announcing a series of unrealistic red lines. The Article 24 illusion is merely an extreme extension of that mentality. Mr Johnson is likely to win the leadership election and become prime minister. Assuming he manages to form a government, that is when reality will bite. He needs to have a plan ready to deal with the disappointment of his followers when it turns out they were sold policies under false pretences. A unilateral invocation of part of Article 24 is not a way out of the UK’s Brexit predicament. If Mr Johnson and his followers do not know that, they soon will.
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