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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 17:07:03 GMT
As the day for withdrawal comes ever nearer, is this what we are going to become?
Check out @abcpoppins’s Tweet:
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Post by jaggas on Jul 30, 2018 17:50:10 GMT
It really is looking bad now.We are all going to starve as we return to the dark days when there was no food before the EU.
We are going to get really ill and die from all sorts of diseases because medicine and antibiotics didn`t exist before the EU.
There will be no more airports in the UK or planes as they only came into being since the EU was formed.
The Guardian ran a story earlier telling us Brexit is so bad that there will be no more oxygen after we leave as that didn`t exist before the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 18:10:03 GMT
It really is looking bad now.We are all going to starve as we return to the dark days when there was no food before the EU. We are going to get really ill and die from all sorts of diseases because medicine and antibiotics didn`t exist before the EU. There will be no more airports in the UK or planes as they only came into being since the EU was formed. The Guardian ran a story earlier telling us Brexit is so bad that there will be no more oxygen after we leave as that didn`t exist before the EU. I see oxygen and time has not increased your cognitive capacity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 19:35:47 GMT
Meanwhile our esteemed Foreign Secretary (the new one, after the buffoon) can't remember, or his geography is highly suspect, where his own wife comes from. Jeremy Hunt Forgets Where His Wife Comes From flip.it/ty16uP |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 19:39:04 GMT
For diabetics amongst us, Type 1 specifically, there is no insulin produced in the UK. So we import from the EU. After March 19, as it stands, imports will be held up for customs checks.
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Post by aghast on Jul 30, 2018 21:16:31 GMT
I think, as everyone understands that a full Brexit never is, or was, going to happen, we will realise that what we have gained is not going to make up for what we have lost.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 30, 2018 21:52:22 GMT
I was coming to terms with Brexit until I read that Cheese and Onion crisps were under threat.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 30, 2018 21:58:16 GMT
Did anyone see the Sky News polling today?
I know it's only a poll (and yes, Nobby, I do recall your views on Sky News' bias towards Remain) but the trend was greater than I thought. Also the suggested referendum on the deal with the three options was quite clear.
Their political editor reckons we are going to the polls again inside 12 months, either another referendum this time on the deal or another election as TM's authority and Chequers plan is as good as gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 9:04:46 GMT
Did anyone see the Sky News polling today? I know it's only a poll (and yes, Nobby, I do recall your views on Sky News' bias towards Remain) but the trend was greater than I thought. Also the suggested referendum on the deal with the three options was quite clear. Their political editor reckons we are going to the polls again inside 12 months, either another referendum this time on the deal or another election as TM's authority and Chequers plan is as good as gone. The crunch will come if neither side in the negotiations can agree a fudge. If we crash out with no deal then the true realities cannot be hidden. Surely in those circumstances our Parliament cannot just impose those realities without a mandate? Surely?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 9:22:45 GMT
Did anyone see the Sky News polling today? I know it's only a poll (and yes, Nobby, I do recall your views on Sky News' bias towards Remain) but the trend was greater than I thought. Also the suggested referendum on the deal with the three options was quite clear. Their political editor reckons we are going to the polls again inside 12 months, either another referendum this time on the deal or another election as TM's authority and Chequers plan is as good as gone. The crunch will come if neither side in the negotiations can agree a fudge. If we crash out with no deal then the true realities cannot be hidden. Surely in those circumstances our Parliament cannot just impose those realities without a mandate? Surely?? Parliament has a mandate. Exit the EU, which was voted upon with the largest turnout in British political history. It is not the fault of the voting public that our politicians (of all parties) are proving themselves to be totally incompetent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 9:24:19 GMT
As the day for withdrawal comes ever nearer, is this what we are going to become? Check out @abcpoppins’s Tweet: Just to say, that Lord William Rees-Mogg died in 2012. Why are you even bothering to quote him? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 9:33:53 GMT
For diabetics amongst us, Type 1 specifically, there is no insulin produced in the UK. So we import from the EU. After March 19, as it stands, imports will be held up for customs checks. Good innit. No need to worry Oldie. Insulin doesn't just come from the EU. Remarkably, it is also manufactured elsewhere in the world. Who'd have thought it eh? The odds are, it will be cheaper elsewhere compared to the EU, therefore producing cost savings for the NHS! It's a win-win-win isn't it? "The diabetes market leader Novo Nordisk from Denmark accounts for an estimated more than 50% share of the worldwide market for insulin. Together with the French Sanofi-Aventis and the US manufacturer Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk controls around 80% of the market. Other market players include newcomers and niche providers in the emerging countries, such as the Indian pharmaceutical manufacturer Biocon, the largest producer of insulin in Asia. Wanbang Biopharma for instance is the largest producer of insulin in its domestic market of China, accounting for almost half of the overall market. Mainly for exports to Europe and the USA, this Chinese producer now intends to build an insulin factory which, in its initial stage, will be able to produce around 130 million units annually." |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 9:52:43 GMT
The crunch will come if neither side in the negotiations can agree a fudge. If we crash out with no deal then the true realities cannot be hidden. Surely in those circumstances our Parliament cannot just impose those realities without a mandate? Surely?? Parliament has a mandate. Exit the EU, which was voted upon with the largest turnout in British political history. It is not the fault of the voting public that our politicians (of all parties) are proving themselves to be totally incompetent. You could argue that. I would argue that a significant number who voted leave would, perhaps, not do so given what has come to light over the last two years. In a normal Parliamentary process, if this true, the winners of the previous election would be voted out. The trouble with (ADVISERY) referendums, there is no such recourse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 9:58:36 GMT
For diabetics amongst us, Type 1 specifically, there is no insulin produced in the UK. So we import from the EU. After March 19, as it stands, imports will be held up for customs checks. Good innit. No need to worry Oldie. Insulin doesn't just come from the EU. Remarkably, it is also manufactured elsewhere in the world. Who'd have thought it eh? The odds are, it will be cheaper elsewhere compared to the EU, therefore producing cost savings for the NHS! It's a win-win-win isn't it? "The diabetes market leader Novo Nordisk from Denmark accounts for an estimated more than 50% share of the worldwide market for insulin. Together with the French Sanofi-Aventis and the US manufacturer Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk controls around 80% of the market. Other market players include newcomers and niche providers in the emerging countries, such as the Indian pharmaceutical manufacturer Biocon, the largest producer of insulin in Asia. Wanbang Biopharma for instance is the largest producer of insulin in its domestic market of China, accounting for almost half of the overall market. Mainly for exports to Europe and the USA, this Chinese producer now intends to build an insulin factory which, in its initial stage, will be able to produce around 130 million units annually." I am sure that is true. But then there is no contractual arrangement on standards. I am sure the haemophelliacs who were given non uk tainted blood transfusions in the 70s and 80s and as a consequence were infected with Hep C etc might, if they are still alive, make comment. As a free market supporter, I have to admit that in cases like health provision, it does not work. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:02:55 GMT
Parliament has a mandate. Exit the EU, which was voted upon with the largest turnout in British political history. It is not the fault of the voting public that our politicians (of all parties) are proving themselves to be totally incompetent. You could argue that. I would argue that a significant number who voted leave would, perhaps, not do so given what has come to light over the last two years. In a normal Parliamentary process, if this true, the winners of the previous election would be voted out. The trouble with (ADVISERY) referendums, there is no such recourse. Put it another way, I would argue that a significant number who voted remain would, perhaps, not do so given what has to come light over the last two years? There is no basis to your argument, just your opinion. Are you seriously saying that the Referendum was 'advisory'? That was NOT what Cameron and everybody else told us! I think that is called 'moving the goalposts' ! "David Cameron, June 12: “The British public would be voting, if we Leave, to leave the EU and leave the Single Market.” George Osborne, June 8: “We’d be out of the Single Market, that’s the reality, Britain would be quitting, quitting the Single Market.” |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:04:34 GMT
As the day for withdrawal comes ever nearer, is this what we are going to become? Check out @abcpoppins’s Tweet: Just to say, that Lord William Rees-Mogg died in 2012. Why are you even bothering to quote him? Because Nobby ( We have had this debate before) those words are straight out of the Friedrich Hayek playbook. He the Messiah of the Reagan / Thatcher Axis, whose disciples form the rump of J. Reese-Mogg anti EU brigade in the Tory members of Parliament. It's like an infection if you don't kill it completely, it comes back twice as bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:07:39 GMT
No need to worry Oldie. Insulin doesn't just come from the EU. Remarkably, it is also manufactured elsewhere in the world. Who'd have thought it eh? The odds are, it will be cheaper elsewhere compared to the EU, therefore producing cost savings for the NHS! It's a win-win-win isn't it? "The diabetes market leader Novo Nordisk from Denmark accounts for an estimated more than 50% share of the worldwide market for insulin. Together with the French Sanofi-Aventis and the US manufacturer Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk controls around 80% of the market. Other market players include newcomers and niche providers in the emerging countries, such as the Indian pharmaceutical manufacturer Biocon, the largest producer of insulin in Asia. Wanbang Biopharma for instance is the largest producer of insulin in its domestic market of China, accounting for almost half of the overall market. Mainly for exports to Europe and the USA, this Chinese producer now intends to build an insulin factory which, in its initial stage, will be able to produce around 130 million units annually." I am sure that is true. But then there is no contractual arrangement on standards. I am sure the haemophelliacs who were given non uk tainted blood transfusions in the 70s and 80s and as a consequence were infected with Hep C etc might, if they are still alive, make comment. As a free market supporter, I have to admit that in cases like health provision, it does not work. Are you saying that only Insulin produced in the EU is 'good insulin'? Sorry, but British Standards are currently exactly the same as the rest of the EU. If a US or Chinese company wish to sell their products in either the EU, or the UK, then the standards required are the same. Are you suggesting that these huge global pharmaceutical companies will not be able to meet the required standards? If so, then that is just pure nonsense and scare mongering the likes of which we haven't seen since....well.....the referendum ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:09:41 GMT
You could argue that. I would argue that a significant number who voted leave would, perhaps, not do so given what has come to light over the last two years. In a normal Parliamentary process, if this true, the winners of the previous election would be voted out. The trouble with (ADVISERY) referendums, there is no such recourse. Put it another way, I would argue that a significant number who voted remain would, perhaps, not do so given what has to come light over the last two years? There is no basis to your argument, just your opinion. Are you seriously saying that the Referendum was 'advisory'? That was NOT what Cameron and everybody else told us! I think that is called 'moving the goalposts' ! "David Cameron, June 12: “The British public would be voting, if we Leave, to leave the EU and leave the Single Market.” George Osborne, June 8: “We’d be out of the Single Market, that’s the reality, Britain would be quitting, quitting the Single Market.” Current polls suggest otherwise, so not just my opinion. Having said that I have some sympathy with your views on polls. The referendum was NOT legally binding fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:10:07 GMT
Just to say, that Lord William Rees-Mogg died in 2012. Why are you even bothering to quote him? Because Nobby ( We have had this debate before) those words are straight out of the Friedrich Hayek playbook. He the Messiah of the Reagan / Thatcher Axis, whose disciples form the rump of J. Reese-Mogg anti EU brigade in the Tory members of Parliament. It's like an infection if you don't kill it completely, it comes back twice as bad. I hate to tell you this....but both Reagan and Thatcher are dead, and have been for quite some time. Hayek has been dead for a long time as well. I think times have moved on since then. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:13:43 GMT
Put it another way, I would argue that a significant number who voted remain would, perhaps, not do so given what has to come light over the last two years? There is no basis to your argument, just your opinion. Are you seriously saying that the Referendum was 'advisory'? That was NOT what Cameron and everybody else told us! I think that is called 'moving the goalposts' ! "David Cameron, June 12: “The British public would be voting, if we Leave, to leave the EU and leave the Single Market.” George Osborne, June 8: “We’d be out of the Single Market, that’s the reality, Britain would be quitting, quitting the Single Market.” Current polls suggest otherwise, so not just my opinion. Having said that I have some sympathy with your views on polls. The referendum was NOT legally binding fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/I'm sure the legal people can tie any argument into knots......however.....This was posted through every letterbox in the country.  |
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