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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 13:28:10 GMT
Love to see the combined GDP of those countries and regions you quote. Nothing wrong with them, most welcome. But a great big gaping hole in our tarriff free export market. Things happen as you say. Pointing a gun at your head and pulling the trigger does seem silly. You were harping on about Vietnam earlier ! Come on Nobby you know the rules. It's ok to reference trade deals with small countries when done by the EU and proves the benefits of EU membership. Similar size deals done solely by the UK are not good enough. You're wasting your time here - it's like Basil Fawlty arguing with Mrs Richards about the view of Torquay. "It's not good enough".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 14:12:40 GMT
You were harping on about Vietnam earlier ! Come on Nobby you know the rules. It's ok to reference trade deals with small countries when done by the EU and proves the benefits of EU membership. Similar size deals done solely by the UK are not good enough. You're wasting your time here - it's like Basil Fawlty arguing with Mrs Richards about the view of Torquay. "It's not good enough". You do know what GDP stands for??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 14:14:18 GMT
Meanwhile Back at planning central... Brexit civil servant in charge of no deal planning quits flip.it/xh2kWI
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 15:16:10 GMT
All the while, our erstwhile Prince of Brexit is making a complete dick of himself. Nigel Farage tells European Parliament that undeclared donations were to help him become US TV star flip.it/hXGmlzHow much more of this laughable sh** do we have to put up with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 15:44:55 GMT
Meanwhile Back at planning central... Brexit civil servant in charge of no deal planning quits flip.it/xh2kWIBloke quits his job for a better paid job. Wow, what a story eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 15:45:52 GMT
Meanwhile Back at planning central... Brexit civil servant in charge of no deal planning quits flip.it/xh2kWIBloke quits his job for a better paid job. Wow, what a story eh? What was his job, exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 15:46:58 GMT
All the while, our erstwhile Prince of Brexit is making a complete dick of himself. Nigel Farage tells European Parliament that undeclared donations were to help him become US TV star flip.it/hXGmlzHow much more of this laughable sh** do we have to put up with. You are aware that Farage is actually taking the water out of them, or did that also fly over your head?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 16:39:24 GMT
All the while, our erstwhile Prince of Brexit is making a complete dick of himself. Nigel Farage tells European Parliament that undeclared donations were to help him become US TV star flip.it/hXGmlzHow much more of this laughable sh** do we have to put up with. You are aware that Farage is actually taking the water out of them, or did that also fly over your head? Sure. Corruption is just one big joke.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 28, 2019 7:12:12 GMT
Why EU is unfazed by no-deal Brexit threats
Katya Adler Europe editor
Yet the EU seems unfazed.
Why, when we know EU leaders want to avoid a no-deal Brexit?
Part of the reason, at least, is time.
It's summer. European capitals are sweltering under a heatwave with government ministers counting the days until they hit the beach or find some cool mountain air.
The day the Brexit extension runs out - 31 October - seems an eternity away in political terms.
Also, just as Messrs Johnson and Hunt do not accept the EU's word when it says the Withdrawal Agreement cannot and will not be re-negotiated, EU leaders do not take them at their word when they threaten no deal by the end of October.
There are two main EU theories I'm hearing: 1. Ambition: EU diplomats look at Boris Johnson in particular and believe they see a man who has wanted to become prime minister for a very long time. They don't believe he - or Mr Hunt for that matter - would risk their premiership after just a couple of months in office, to push through a no-deal Brexit that the majority in parliament, including a number of MPs in their own party, may well oppose. 2. Practicalities: If the EU were to engage in new Brexit talks this autumn, there is no-one I've met in Brussels who thinks negotiations could be started and completed in time for 31 October - even if Brussels were to play ball with every request the new UK prime minister made (cue: a barely muffled snort from whichever EU diplomat I put this hypothesis to).
Jeremy Hunt has already indicated he might delay Brexit if talks were getting somewhere. Would Boris Johnson throw away the chance of successful new negotiations just to push through an October no deal? Unlikely, thinks the EU.
Which is why many European politicians believe - whatever Mr Johnson and Mr Hunt say now - that the new UK prime minister is most likely to end up requesting a second Brexit extension come the autumn, thereby pushing a no-deal Brexit threat that much further down the road.
As for the other Brexit claims Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt are making, EU leaders view Mr Johnson as the "have your cake and eat it" candidate. And they don't approve of his pitch.
Ahead of the EU referendum, Boris Johnson became infamous in Brussels for claiming that the UK could keep the benefits of EU membership even after leaving the single market.
Now he's turning his cake knife to the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement - proposing that some aspects, such as citizens' rights, are respected while others, like the Irish border backstop, are thrown out.
"Impossible. It's a package deal," exasperated diplomats tell me in Brussels, as they hastily resurrect the original EU negotiations mantra that "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".
Meaning: "We'll allow no cherry picking, Mr Johnson."
The European Commission also insists that, contrary to Boris Johnson's claims, there will be no transition or implementation period - no zero tariffs bilateral trade between the EU and UK - in the case of a no-deal Brexit. The EU has "zero incentive" to agree to such an arrangement, say Eurocrats.
And in case you thought they were joking, the EU trade commissioner's blanket rejection of Mr Johnson's assertion was re-tweeted by the EU's chief and deputy-chief Brexit negotiators:
But leading EU politicians admit (mostly behind the scenes) that, while they publicly maintain the Withdrawal Agreement is closed, they would listen if the UK's new prime minister had fresh, credible proposals for the Irish border conundrum. "Credible" being the key word here.
Germany's ambassador to the UK, Peter Wittig, said on Tuesday that Berlin would welcome ideas on how to solve "that famous backstop issue".
It is hardly a secret that EU leaders would far prefer an orderly over a disorderly Brexit. Though they repeat at any and every opportunity that they are prepared for no deal.
Ambassador Wittig was speaking at a car manufacturers' summit and Germany's motor industry would, of course, take a big hit in the case of a no-deal Brexit.
EU insiders predict a stress-filled, "hot" autumn after what they hope will be a long and lazy summer.
Europe's eyes will then fix on the UK's new prime minister. But also on Dublin. The other 26 EU countries are watching for any sign of wiggle-room on the backstop - if Ireland moves, the rest of the EU is likely to follow.
And, if it does come to a no-deal, the EU wants guarantees and details from Ireland on how it intends to protect the single market from post-Brexit UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 7:22:00 GMT
You are aware that Farage is actually taking the water out of them, or did that also fly over your head? Sure. Corruption is just one big joke. Ha, ha... It's like Trump. President Trump doesn't actually Tweet anything. It is all done by his 'team'. The Tweets frequently have spelling mistakes in them. This is deliberate. His opponents that shout and scream at how stupid Trump is, and they then re-tweet that message to others, they post it on Facebook, the message goes viral. The result? Whatever message is being sent out is being read by a far far wider audience than if it was just read by his followers. When your political opponents are spending all their time talking about you, then their own message is not being received by anyone! It's a simple, but very effective tactic, and you Oldie, and are prime example of those who fall for this. The PR Tech Savvy people who utilize Social Media are ahead of the game. The Brexit Party have learned a lot and are employing similar tactics.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 7:27:19 GMT
Why EU is unfazed by no-deal Brexit threats Katya Adler Europe editor Yet the EU seems unfazed. Why, when we know EU leaders want to avoid a no-deal Brexit? Part of the reason, at least, is time. It's summer. European capitals are sweltering under a heatwave with government ministers counting the days until they hit the beach or find some cool mountain air. The day the Brexit extension runs out - 31 October - seems an eternity away in political terms. Also, just as Messrs Johnson and Hunt do not accept the EU's word when it says the Withdrawal Agreement cannot and will not be re-negotiated, EU leaders do not take them at their word when they threaten no deal by the end of October. There are two main EU theories I'm hearing: 1. Ambition: EU diplomats look at Boris Johnson in particular and believe they see a man who has wanted to become prime minister for a very long time. They don't believe he - or Mr Hunt for that matter - would risk their premiership after just a couple of months in office, to push through a no-deal Brexit that the majority in parliament, including a number of MPs in their own party, may well oppose. 2. Practicalities: If the EU were to engage in new Brexit talks this autumn, there is no-one I've met in Brussels who thinks negotiations could be started and completed in time for 31 October - even if Brussels were to play ball with every request the new UK prime minister made (cue: a barely muffled snort from whichever EU diplomat I put this hypothesis to). Jeremy Hunt has already indicated he might delay Brexit if talks were getting somewhere. Would Boris Johnson throw away the chance of successful new negotiations just to push through an October no deal? Unlikely, thinks the EU. Which is why many European politicians believe - whatever Mr Johnson and Mr Hunt say now - that the new UK prime minister is most likely to end up requesting a second Brexit extension come the autumn, thereby pushing a no-deal Brexit threat that much further down the road. As for the other Brexit claims Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt are making, EU leaders view Mr Johnson as the "have your cake and eat it" candidate. And they don't approve of his pitch. Ahead of the EU referendum, Boris Johnson became infamous in Brussels for claiming that the UK could keep the benefits of EU membership even after leaving the single market. Now he's turning his cake knife to the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement - proposing that some aspects, such as citizens' rights, are respected while others, like the Irish border backstop, are thrown out.
"Impossible. It's a package deal," exasperated diplomats tell me in Brussels, as they hastily resurrect the original EU negotiations mantra that "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".
Meaning: "We'll allow no cherry picking, Mr Johnson."The European Commission also insists that, contrary to Boris Johnson's claims, there will be no transition or implementation period - no zero tariffs bilateral trade between the EU and UK - in the case of a no-deal Brexit. The EU has "zero incentive" to agree to such an arrangement, say Eurocrats. And in case you thought they were joking, the EU trade commissioner's blanket rejection of Mr Johnson's assertion was re-tweeted by the EU's chief and deputy-chief Brexit negotiators: But leading EU politicians admit (mostly behind the scenes) that, while they publicly maintain the Withdrawal Agreement is closed, they would listen if the UK's new prime minister had fresh, credible proposals for the Irish border conundrum. "Credible" being the key word here. Germany's ambassador to the UK, Peter Wittig, said on Tuesday that Berlin would welcome ideas on how to solve "that famous backstop issue". It is hardly a secret that EU leaders would far prefer an orderly over a disorderly Brexit. Though they repeat at any and every opportunity that they are prepared for no deal. Ambassador Wittig was speaking at a car manufacturers' summit and Germany's motor industry would, of course, take a big hit in the case of a no-deal Brexit. EU insiders predict a stress-filled, "hot" autumn after what they hope will be a long and lazy summer. Europe's eyes will then fix on the UK's new prime minister. But also on Dublin. The other 26 EU countries are watching for any sign of wiggle-room on the backstop - if Ireland moves, the rest of the EU is likely to follow. And, if it does come to a no-deal, the EU wants guarantees and details from Ireland on how it intends to protect the single market from post-Brexit UK. "Now he's turning his cake knife to the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement - proposing that some aspects, such as citizens' rights, are respected while others, like the Irish border backstop, are thrown out. "Impossible. It's a package deal," exasperated diplomats tell me in Brussels, as they hastily resurrect the original EU negotiations mantra that "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed". Meaning: "We'll allow no cherry picking, Mr Johnson." - So that means no 39 billion with a No Deal, after all, "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"! That is a big economic gain for the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 9:47:22 GMT
Sure. Corruption is just one big joke. Ha, ha... It's like Trump. President Trump doesn't actually Tweet anything. It is all done by his 'team'. The Tweets frequently have spelling mistakes in them. This is deliberate. His opponents that shout and scream at how stupid Trump is, and they then re-tweet that message to others, they post it on Facebook, the message goes viral. The result? Whatever message is being sent out is being read by a far far wider audience than if it was just read by his followers. When your political opponents are spending all their time talking about you, then their own message is not being received by anyone! It's a simple, but very effective tactic, and you Oldie, and are prime example of those who fall for this. The PR Tech Savvy people who utilize Social Media are ahead of the game. The Brexit Party have learned a lot and are employing similar tactics. Wonderful narrative. Do you have a shred of empirical evidence to back that up? If you do not, and do not post it up, then inevitable conclusion is that it is people like you who are susceptible to propaganda. Go on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 11:15:49 GMT
Ha, ha... It's like Trump. President Trump doesn't actually Tweet anything. It is all done by his 'team'. The Tweets frequently have spelling mistakes in them. This is deliberate. His opponents that shout and scream at how stupid Trump is, and they then re-tweet that message to others, they post it on Facebook, the message goes viral. The result? Whatever message is being sent out is being read by a far far wider audience than if it was just read by his followers. When your political opponents are spending all their time talking about you, then their own message is not being received by anyone! It's a simple, but very effective tactic, and you Oldie, and are prime example of those who fall for this. The PR Tech Savvy people who utilize Social Media are ahead of the game. The Brexit Party have learned a lot and are employing similar tactics. Wonderful narrative. Do you have a shred of empirical evidence to back that up? If you do not, and do not post it up, then inevitable conclusion is that it is people like you who are susceptible to propaganda. Go on. Oh dear Oldie, you have no idea about how this works do you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 11:27:51 GMT
Wonderful narrative. Do you have a shred of empirical evidence to back that up? If you do not, and do not post it up, then inevitable conclusion is that it is people like you who are susceptible to propaganda. Go on. Oh dear Oldie, you have no idea about how this works do you? Oh but I do. You make an assertion which you claim to be true, and its challenged. So, back it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 11:35:00 GMT
Ok Oldie, here is a quick lesson on how, and why, Social Media can be used to influence people. The spelling mistakes are deliberate. They produce a howl from the Democratic voters about how dumb the POTUS is. The tweet is re-tweeted thousands upon thousands of times, so it actually reaches a far wider audience. There is every chance that that 'message' reaches those voters that 'sit in the middle'. Republicans will vote for a Republican and a Democrat will vote for a Democrat, but in every election (even in the UK) it's those voters who 'sit in the middle' who determine who will win the election. Now, 99.99% of every person in the world who use Social Media make spelling mistakes. We all do it. It's normal. Even the most intellectually gifted people make them. The Democrats howl that the POTUS is 'dumb' for making a spelling mistake. A lot of voters who 'sit in the middle' look at the outrage, and think to themselves, "I also make spelling mistakes. Do these people think that I am dumb as well?". The effect is to turn people away from the Democrats, because looking at Social Media the Democrats think that people who make spelling mistakes are dumb, they're stupid. So, by introducing a small spelling mistake now and again, the message gets a far wider audience, and the response actually moves people towards your side. By highlighting Trump's spelling mistakes the Democrats are actually normalizing him, because spelling mistakes are something we all make! It's normal !
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Post by baggins on Jun 28, 2019 11:56:02 GMT
Lets face it, we're leaving with no deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 12:04:46 GMT
Lets face it, we're leaving with no deal. Yes we are. Otherwise it will be the end of the Tory Party, which is why Johnson will win the leadership contest.
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Post by baggins on Jun 28, 2019 12:13:18 GMT
Lets face it, we're leaving with no deal. Yes we are. Otherwise it will be the end of the Tory Party, which is why Johnson will win the leadership contest. So we've been lied to for the last 3 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 12:20:42 GMT
Yes we are. Otherwise it will be the end of the Tory Party, which is why Johnson will win the leadership contest. So we've been lied to for the last 3 years. Yep. May had no intention of really leaving the EU. The Withdrawal Treaty (and see how Agreement became a Treaty without anyone really noticing) was designed to be Brexit In Name Only, a technical Brexit if you like, with the intention that the UK would rejoin the EU in a few years time. She really expected the Remain MP's to vote for it, but she (and the EU) miscalculated, and to be fair I don't think anyone expected Labour to act the way they have either!
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Post by baggins on Jun 28, 2019 12:55:40 GMT
So we've been lied to for the last 3 years. Yep. May had no intention of really leaving the EU. The Withdrawal Treaty (and see how Agreement became a Treaty without anyone really noticing) was designed to be Brexit In Name Only, a technical Brexit if you like, with the intention that the UK would rejoin the EU in a few years time. She really expected the Remain MP's to vote for it, but she (and the EU) miscalculated, and to be fair I don't think anyone expected Labour to act the way they have either! It wasn't just May though was it? All the Brexit politicians lied.
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