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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 14, 2020 12:53:10 GMT
True. Mind if I ask a question? You obviously served there, I'm guessing Navy? Did it affect you? I assume you're no longer serving? Tell me to water off and mind my business if you want. Not at all, happy to. Yes 22 years in RN. I was lucky in that it did not affect me at all (Mind you I still buy a ST to watch the Gas every season so feel free to question that 😀) But in my view I think the Navy are in a slightly different scenario to land forces (Army/Paras etc) in what they witness and experience. Even around Iraq/Kuwait we were distanced from much of the sh**e...don’t think I need to expand too much on that self obvious point. Of course when you do get hit it’s a different story .... My dad was RN during WW2 and his words always stayed with me “Unless you get sunk there is always a dry bed and a drink somewhere to be had” Very true 😆. And anecdotally this was borne out in a strange way after the surrender when, during the clear up ops, we landed on the hills above San Carlos to resupply some of the poor sods up there in their foxholes operating the Rapier batteries. We brought one guy back to the ship, gave him a warm shower, hot meal and a beer. His words (honest to God...they will always stay with me)...”Don’t know how you can live in this tin box, much prefer my foxhole. When the Argies came over I could dig deeper into the mud to hide. These tin boxes are a sitting target” Seriously....we couldn’t stop laughing for ages.....but we took him back to his foxhole and he was happy as they come having got off the ‘Sitting target”......😳 (We didn’t tell him the skipper in the Ops Room was happy not to make us a “sitting target”) 😂 But, yes, I was lucky, many were not, understandably. I feel for them all the time and those in later conflicts. I worked with someone who's dad was on board Ardent. He went ashore just before it was bombed. With poor communications they never knew if he was okay until much later.
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Post by baggins on Sept 14, 2020 12:56:49 GMT
True. Mind if I ask a question? You obviously served there, I'm guessing Navy? Did it affect you? I assume you're no longer serving? Tell me to water off and mind my business if you want. Not at all, happy to. Yes 22 years in RN. I was lucky in that it did not affect me at all (Mind you I still buy a ST to watch the Gas every season so feel free to question that 😀) But in my view I think the Navy are in a slightly different scenario to land forces (Army/Paras etc) in what they witness and experience. Even around Iraq/Kuwait we were distanced from much of the sh**e...don’t think I need to expand too much on that self obvious point. Of course when you do get hit it’s a different story .... My dad was RN during WW2 and his words always stayed with me “Unless you get sunk there is always a dry bed and a drink somewhere to be had” Very true 😆. And anecdotally this was borne out in a strange way after the surrender when, during the clear up ops, we landed on the hills above San Carlos to resupply some of the poor sods up there in their foxholes operating the Rapier batteries. We brought one guy back to the ship, gave him a warm shower, hot meal and a beer. His words (honest to God...they will always stay with me)...”Don’t know how you can live in this tin box, much prefer my foxhole. When the Argies came over I could dig deeper into the mud to hide. These tin boxes are a sitting target” Seriously....we couldn’t stop laughing for ages.....but we took him back to his foxhole and he was happy as they come having got off the ‘Sitting target”......😳 (We didn’t tell him the skipper in the Ops Room was happy not to make us a “sitting target”) 😂 But, yes, I was lucky, many were not, understandably. I feel for them all the time and those in later conflicts. Thanks for sharing. My art Teacher at school was Merchant Navy in WW2. He never really got over it. Stories of seeing a ship go down in freezing water and seeing the lights on their lifejackets 5 or 6 feet below the surface as they passed haunted him. Poor devils.
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Post by matealotblue on Sept 14, 2020 13:15:03 GMT
Not at all, happy to. Yes 22 years in RN. I was lucky in that it did not affect me at all (Mind you I still buy a ST to watch the Gas every season so feel free to question that 😀) But in my view I think the Navy are in a slightly different scenario to land forces (Army/Paras etc) in what they witness and experience. Even around Iraq/Kuwait we were distanced from much of the sh**e...don’t think I need to expand too much on that self obvious point. Of course when you do get hit it’s a different story .... My dad was RN during WW2 and his words always stayed with me “Unless you get sunk there is always a dry bed and a drink somewhere to be had” Very true 😆. And anecdotally this was borne out in a strange way after the surrender when, during the clear up ops, we landed on the hills above San Carlos to resupply some of the poor sods up there in their foxholes operating the Rapier batteries. We brought one guy back to the ship, gave him a warm shower, hot meal and a beer. His words (honest to God...they will always stay with me)...”Don’t know how you can live in this tin box, much prefer my foxhole. When the Argies came over I could dig deeper into the mud to hide. These tin boxes are a sitting target” Seriously....we couldn’t stop laughing for ages.....but we took him back to his foxhole and he was happy as they come having got off the ‘Sitting target”......😳 (We didn’t tell him the skipper in the Ops Room was happy not to make us a “sitting target”) 😂 But, yes, I was lucky, many were not, understandably. I feel for them all the time and those in later conflicts. Thanks for sharing. My art Teacher at school was Merchant Navy in WW2. He never really got over it. Stories of seeing a ship go down in freezing water and seeing the lights on their lifejackets 5 or 6 feet below the surface as they passed haunted him. Poor devils. Yep, that was a whole different ball game....
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Post by baggins on Sept 14, 2020 13:21:16 GMT
Thanks for sharing. My art Teacher at school was Merchant Navy in WW2. He never really got over it. Stories of seeing a ship go down in freezing water and seeing the lights on their lifejackets 5 or 6 feet below the surface as they passed haunted him. Poor devils. Yep, that was a whole different ball game.... Haunting what those poor sods went through. I watch more than my fair share of war documentaries, not because I'm morbid, but because of interest. Some of the stuff that generation went through, makes the hair stand up. I watched a documentary the other day, Ballard (of Titanic fame), found the Thresher? US Sub that lost all power, went to crush depth, didn't stand a chance. You couldn't pay me enough.
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Post by matealotblue on Sept 14, 2020 13:27:00 GMT
Yep, that was a whole different ball game.... Haunting what those poor sods went through. I watch more than my fair share of war documentaries, not because I'm morbid, but because of interest. Some of the stuff that generation went through, makes the hair stand up. I watched a documentary the other day, Ballard (of Titanic fame), found the Thresher? US Sub that lost all power, went to crush depth, didn't stand a chance. You couldn't pay me enough. Without wishing to detract from that....I was also told “Never go to sea in a ship designed to sink”. Lighthearted I know....but true. Like you no amount of money.... Although their view is “There are only two sorts of vessels at sea, submarines and targets”.
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Post by matealotblue on Sept 14, 2020 13:28:43 GMT
Not at all, happy to. Yes 22 years in RN. I was lucky in that it did not affect me at all (Mind you I still buy a ST to watch the Gas every season so feel free to question that 😀) But in my view I think the Navy are in a slightly different scenario to land forces (Army/Paras etc) in what they witness and experience. Even around Iraq/Kuwait we were distanced from much of the sh**e...don’t think I need to expand too much on that self obvious point. Of course when you do get hit it’s a different story .... My dad was RN during WW2 and his words always stayed with me “Unless you get sunk there is always a dry bed and a drink somewhere to be had” Very true 😆. And anecdotally this was borne out in a strange way after the surrender when, during the clear up ops, we landed on the hills above San Carlos to resupply some of the poor sods up there in their foxholes operating the Rapier batteries. We brought one guy back to the ship, gave him a warm shower, hot meal and a beer. His words (honest to God...they will always stay with me)...”Don’t know how you can live in this tin box, much prefer my foxhole. When the Argies came over I could dig deeper into the mud to hide. These tin boxes are a sitting target” Seriously....we couldn’t stop laughing for ages.....but we took him back to his foxhole and he was happy as they come having got off the ‘Sitting target”......😳 (We didn’t tell him the skipper in the Ops Room was happy not to make us a “sitting target”) 😂 But, yes, I was lucky, many were not, understandably. I feel for them all the time and those in later conflicts. I worked with someone who's dad was on board Ardent. He went ashore just before it was bombed. With poor communications they never knew if he was okay until much later. Yep, the “fog of war” can do that. It was often days later when the full picture would emerge.
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Post by baggins on Sept 14, 2020 13:30:57 GMT
Haunting what those poor sods went through. I watch more than my fair share of war documentaries, not because I'm morbid, but because of interest. Some of the stuff that generation went through, makes the hair stand up. I watched a documentary the other day, Ballard (of Titanic fame), found the Thresher? US Sub that lost all power, went to crush depth, didn't stand a chance. You couldn't pay me enough. Without wishing to detract from that....I was also told “Never go to sea in a ship designed to sink”. Lighthearted I know....but true. Like you no amount of money.... Although their view is “There are only two sorts of vessels at sea, submarines and targets”. I was staying on the Queen Mary docked in LA. Next to it was a retired Russian sub. Not sure from what era. I was particularly drunk so decided to go on a tour. Never, ever ever will you get me on one of those things. I don't care if the latest most advanced subs going, I will NOT go anywhere in one them.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 15, 2020 11:10:43 GMT
The lovely Beth seems to agree with me, maybe I missed my vocation in life. "On the face of it, Mr Johnson looks like he is on the precipice of exploding trade talks and will do whatever it takes to protect British interests. But what if, in the words of one figure who knows Mr Johnson and his senior adviser Dominic Cummings well, the prime minister is actually gearing up to take the trade deal on the table, while simultaneously going to war on the Withdrawal Agreement to demonstrate that he was fighting the UK's corner and trying to secure concessions around state aid or border checks. After all, the actual trade talks might have completely fallen away from view, but they are still going on. Could it be that a trade deal ends up being agreed long before this bill becomes law? Mr Johnson could - as he did in 2019 - say he played hardball, secured concessions and managed to secure a trade deal against all the odds. Walking right up to the Brexit cliff edge has been effective for this prime minister before, not least when it comes to winning the approval of his pro-Brexit base. Deal or no deal, it may well be that this tactic pays off for the prime minister again. Whether the prime minister really intends to put this bill into law or is using it as political theatre to help him frame whatever deal he gets as one he fought tooth and nail for, only he really knows. But for many of his colleagues and supporters the damage is already done - to his standing as prime minister and our place in the world." news.sky.com/story/what-is-really-behind-the-pms-brexit-move-12072199
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Post by Gassy on Sept 17, 2020 8:01:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:05:44 GMT
I suspect it's the Senate and Congress that will block a trade deal if Johnson threatens the Good Friday Agreement. Quite right to
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 17, 2020 12:28:17 GMT
Now, what is really going on here???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 15:45:36 GMT
Now, what is really going on here??? Not manipulation, surely? That or rank incompetent stupidity?
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Post by peterparker on Sept 17, 2020 17:17:32 GMT
Now, what is really going on here??? Not manipulation, surely? That or rank incompetent stupidity? Hang on, so if I get this right, if this is passed then we will be able to trigger breaking the law but at the same time swing into action the dispute process with the EU, which will be decided by the ECJ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 17:19:53 GMT
Not manipulation, surely? That or rank incompetent stupidity? Hang on, so if I get this right, if this is passed then we will be able to trigger breaking the law but at the same time swing into action the dispute process with the EU, which will be decided by the ECJ 😂😂😂😂 Taking back control, deciding on our own rules...you couldn't make it up Hands up, who voted for this sh**?
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Post by oldgas on Sept 18, 2020 8:48:01 GMT
Hang on, so if I get this right, if this is passed then we will be able to trigger breaking the law but at the same time swing into action the dispute process with the EU, which will be decided by the ECJ 😂😂😂😂 Taking back control, deciding on our own rules...you couldn't make it up Hands up, who voted for this sh**? I have my hand up. There have been several examples come to light since this faux outrage which show the EU and countries within it have broken international laws but the snowflakes here don’t make a peep. Hands up those quislings who voted to stay in that Sh1t, corrupt organisation? You couldn’t make it up!
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Post by oldgas on Sept 18, 2020 9:08:06 GMT
Falklands. 1982. Couldn't wait to get into that. Would you have just abandoned the Falklands inhabitants then? Yeah, and just look at the benefits that came from the Falklands War Braggs It gave our French friends, partners and European allies the opportunity to show their Exocet missiles worked by sending engineers over to Argentina to reconfigure their Exocet missiles to ensure they sank our vessels. With friends, partners and allies like them, who needs enemies? Oh, and the Americans supplied us with Sidewinder missiles to ensure our Harriers could properly protect our ships from the Argentinian Air Force. Just saying.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 18, 2020 9:16:27 GMT
Would you have just abandoned the Falklands inhabitants then? Yeah, and just look at the benefits that came from the Falklands War Braggs It gave our French friends, partners and European allies the opportunity to show their Exocet missiles worked by sending engineers over to Argentina to reconfigure their Exocet missiles to ensure they sank our vessels. With friends, partners and allies like them, who needs enemies? Oh, and the Americans supplied us with Sidewinder missiles to ensure our Harriers could properly protect our ships from the Argentinian Air Force. Just saying. The French were very instrumental in helping us, the then Defence Secretary stated they were a great ally, in some ways more so than the US. The L version of the Sidewinder was useful but most engagements were within the parameters of the existing model. The French technicians were already there as part of the sale, some rumours of some DSGE agents working for us. Israel on the other hand.... The true enemy in this, as usual, was ourselves for letting it get out of hand in the first place.
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Post by blueridge on Sept 18, 2020 9:31:09 GMT
You couldn't make this sh$t up could you? The current leader of this 'rag bag' outfit of an opposition party - is the multi millionaire champagne socialist who orchestrated the 'rag bag' outfit's Brexit Policy that effectively lost them any chance of winning the 2019 election. The same leader who will one day be crucified, not just by the usual suspects, but by the far left in the rag bag outfit and Len McCluskey and his cronies. The same leader who's record with some of his decisions as leader of the CPS and DPP was frankly appalling.
My hand is definitely up - thankfully I saw the light and didn't follow my parents and ever vote for what is now arguably, the weakest opposition party I can ever remember (and that includes the hapless Corbyn and co). We do need a strong opposition party - this lot are a complete shambles.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 18, 2020 10:57:38 GMT
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 18, 2020 11:09:16 GMT
You couldn't make this sh$t up could you? The current leader of this 'rag bag' outfit of an opposition party - is the multi millionaire champagne socialist who orchestrated the 'rag bag' outfit's Brexit Policy that effectively lost them any chance of winning the 2019 election. The same leader who will one day be crucified, not just by the usual suspects, but by the far left in the rag bag outfit and Len McCluskey and his cronies. The same leader who's record with some of his decisions as leader of the CPS and DPP was frankly appalling. My hand is definitely up - thankfully I saw the light and didn't follow my parents and ever vote for what is now arguably, the weakest opposition party I can ever remember (and that includes the hapless Corbyn and co). We do need a strong opposition party - this lot are a complete shambles. While i agree with pretty much all of this, I don`t think this lot are as bad as Michael Foots lunatic band of f**kwit fellow travellers circa 1982; nor as bad as Corbyn`s recent, er, opposition. Let`s be fair, you have to be breathtakingly appalling, to lose to Boris Johnson by 80 seats. Fortunately for them, there`s always the likes of Oldie prepared to vote for the left, no matter how far left it is.
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