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Post by Gastafari on Aug 5, 2018 13:13:16 GMT
Any relation to Steve Harmer because he spouts as much nonsense as this last post I read a funny quote on the other forum about the new signing: 'Hamer said on Radio Bristol that the forward that Rovers hope to sign is "coltish" I had to look that up "full of energy but awkward and clumsy due to lack of physical control" lets hope that Hamer has got it wrong (again).' Colt:a young uncastrated male horse, in particular one less than four years old. 😂😂
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Post by tylerdunnell03 on Aug 5, 2018 13:27:29 GMT
We have to be interested in Macauley Bonne from Leyton orient. watched the game yesterday and he’s strong and obviously prolific from last season. Also he does exactly what Ellis used to do from corners and he’s around 5,11 - 6ft I think. Good player
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 5, 2018 13:29:24 GMT
Hamer is not a car crash. He’s the chairman who knows not much more than the rest of us but is the public face of the owners. I quite like his willingness to come out and provide that public face even though he may be as frustrated as us, not his fault. He comes over as optimistic and fairly articulate. In a non- social media age he would have a much better press. Fair enough to have opinions about him but I’m pretty certain that the guy is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. UTG! Yeah, he is articulate. He should probably just stick to using one syllable words, though, to stop some people on here rushing to the dictionary to find the least accommodation definition in order to hold it against him. Coltish is a perfectly cromulent descriptor for a footballer. Here's an article from 2009 describing Welbeck exactly that way. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/6223995/Manchester-United-1-Wolverhampton-Wanderers-0-match-report.htmlIn laymans terms, its basically a cart horse isn't it?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 5, 2018 13:31:13 GMT
We have to be interested in Macauley Bonne from Leyton orient. watched the game yesterday and he’s strong and obviously prolific from last season. Also he does exactly what Ellis used to do from corners and he’s around 5,11 - 6ft I think. Good player James Alabi up top for them is a good player too. Both of them could get 20+ goals this season and they are both only around 22 I think.
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2018 13:51:13 GMT
We have to be interested in Macauley Bonne from Leyton orient. watched the game yesterday and he’s strong and obviously prolific from last season. Also he does exactly what Ellis used to do from corners and he’s around 5,11 - 6ft I think. Good player James Alabi up top for them is a good player too. Both of them could get 20+ goals this season and they are both only around 22 I think. You realise Alabi got 1 goal in 20 games last season in the National League and struggled to get in the Tranmere team?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 5, 2018 13:56:17 GMT
James Alabi up top for them is a good player too. Both of them could get 20+ goals this season and they are both only around 22 I think. You realise Alabi got 1 goal in 20 games last season in the National League and struggled to get in the Tranmere team? I am aware of that that yes. However he also scored 17 goals in the league the year before as a 21/22 year old in a Chester side that stayed up by the skin of their teeth. You don’t lose ability overnight. Perhaps he played in a team that didn’t suit his style of play last year or perhaps he didn’t get a fair crack of the whip at Tranmere. They did finish second after all without him.
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2018 14:04:38 GMT
You realise Alabi got 1 goal in 20 games last season in the National League and struggled to get in the Tranmere team? I am aware of that that yes. However he also scored 17 goals in the league the year before as a 21/22 year old in a Chester side that stayed up by the skin of their teeth. You don’t lose ability overnight. Perhaps he played in a team that didn’t suit his style of play last year or perhaps he didn’t get a fair crack of the whip at Tranmere. They did finish second after all without him. Do you really expect him to step up a couple of divisions and score 20 goals? I don't really rate him if I'm honest. Very raw still.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 5, 2018 14:08:57 GMT
I am aware of that that yes. However he also scored 17 goals in the league the year before as a 21/22 year old in a Chester side that stayed up by the skin of their teeth. You don’t lose ability overnight. Perhaps he played in a team that didn’t suit his style of play last year or perhaps he didn’t get a fair crack of the whip at Tranmere. They did finish second after all without him. Do you really expect him to step up a couple of divisions and score 20 goals? I don't really rate him if I'm honest. Very raw still. He’s playing in the same division that he scored 17 in two years ago. I would agree he’s raw as a lot of big strikers are at that age. But as I say he clearly had ability and potential to be a useful player for that level when he was at Chester, who’s to say he can’t find that form again?
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2018 14:13:58 GMT
Do you really expect him to step up a couple of divisions and score 20 goals? I don't really rate him if I'm honest. Very raw still. He’s playing in the same division that he scored 17 in two years ago. I would agree he’s raw as a lot of big strikers are at that age. But as I say he clearly had ability and potential to be a useful player for that level when he was at Chester, who’s to say he can’t find that form again? I thought he was raw at Chester and didn't rate him then.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 5, 2018 14:31:42 GMT
But Macauley Bonne does look as if he could be a good fit for us. Accepting that Cole, Toney, Doidge and others are “too expensive” then we need to look at what we could afford and Bonne looks a good possibility. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 5, 2018 14:38:35 GMT
In laymans terms, its basically a cart horse isn't it? Or a cart horse with less experience perhaps? UTG!
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2018 14:44:03 GMT
But Macauley Bonne does look as if he could be a good fit for us. Accepting that Cole, Toney, Doidge and others are “too expensive” then we need to look at what we could afford and Bonne looks a good possibility. UTG! I do like Bonne, but I still think the likes of Cole and Toney could/should be affordable to us, obviously without knowing the inner workings of their contracts. If Scunthorpe think Toney is a realistic option then so should we IMHO, although they would obviously be at an advantage after having him at the club previously.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Aug 5, 2018 14:51:16 GMT
He’s playing in the same division that he scored 17 in two years ago. I would agree he’s raw as a lot of big strikers are at that age. But as I say he clearly had ability and potential to be a useful player for that level when he was at Chester, who’s to say he can’t find that form again? I thought he was raw at Chester and didn't rate him then. I know nothing about him but he's only 23 and so has time ahead of him. Wasn't Matty a similar age when we signed him? 17 in 42 appearances in a poor Chester team is a very good return. Matty got 19 in 45 for us in that NL season and we were slogging it out at the top from mid Sept - the final day. I'd rather we went for someone like this who would jump at the opportunity to impress than someone who has been at L1 a few years and not impressed. Trust in DC though.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 5, 2018 14:53:57 GMT
I thought he was raw at Chester and didn't rate him then. I know nothing about him but he's only 23 and so has time ahead of him. Wasn't Matty a similar age when we signed him? 17 in 42 appearances in a poor Chester team is a very good return. Matty got 19 in 45 for us in that NL season and we were slogging it out at the top from mid Sept - the final day. I'd rather we went for someone like this who would jump at the opportunity to impress than someone who has been at L1 a few years and not impressed. Trust in DC though.I trust in DC but reading between the lines, but he doesn't appear to trust in the board. I trust his judgement. Think that leaves us a bit stumped.
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2018 15:03:55 GMT
I thought he was raw at Chester and didn't rate him then. I know nothing about him but he's only 23 and so has time ahead of him. Wasn't Matty a similar age when we signed him? 17 in 42 appearances in a poor Chester team is a very good return. Matty got 19 in 45 for us in that NL season and we were slogging it out at the top from mid Sept - the final day. I'd rather we went for someone like this who would jump at the opportunity to impress than someone who has been at L1 a few years and not impressed. Trust in DC though. You can score goals at that level without being good enough to step up. I don't want to labour the point, but I don't rate him so it would be a no from me.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 5, 2018 15:07:58 GMT
But Macauley Bonne does look as if he could be a good fit for us. Accepting that Cole, Toney, Doidge and others are “too expensive” then we need to look at what we could afford and Bonne looks a good possibility. UTG! I do like Bonne, but I still think the likes of Cole and Toney could/should be affordable to us, obviously without knowing the inner workings of their contracts. If Scunthorpe think Toney is a realistic option then so should we IMHO, although they would obviously be at an advantage after having him at the club previously. Oh I don’t necessarily disagree with you pirate, I’m just reading between the lines of all the rumours and gossip and trying to second think what’s happening. And I don’t think those players will be coming, hence we need to aim at who is realistically available to us. UTG!
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Aug 5, 2018 15:10:36 GMT
Bakayoko was Walsall's young player of the season in 2016/17. He was prolific at youth level and scored a hatrick on his full debut so obviously has goals in him. He may be a 10 goal a season player but could be just what we need. I could see him having a good partnership with Reilly in a sort of Owen and Heskey way! May also help defending crosses.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 5, 2018 15:55:22 GMT
Its a lot better just to sign a centre half who is tall enough and good enough to clear crosses into the box and let the centre forward do what he is supposed to do which is lead the attack,cause problems for the opponents central defenders and hopefully score a few goals! The trouble with DC ands his many formations is that too often players are not in their natural position. We finally get a couple of wingers and DC wants them to come inside all the time whilst our full backs struggle to cross a ball.
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2018 15:57:25 GMT
Bakayoko was Walsall's young player of the season in 2016/17. He was prolific at youth level and scored a hatrick on his full debut so obviously has goals in him. He may be a 10 goal a season player but could be just what we need. I could see him having a good partnership with Reilly in a sort of Owen and Heskey way! May also help defending crosses. I'm just playing devils advocate here, but what was the competition like for Walsall's 2016/17 Young Player of the Year award? Plenty of strikers are prolific at youth level, we had Lewis Ellington who scored 30 goals and still released him soon after. He may be a "10 goal a season player" in the future, but last season he only managed 5 league goals and only has 9 goals in 93 games at this level.
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Post by knowall on Aug 5, 2018 16:11:46 GMT
In laymans terms, its basically a cart horse isn't it? NO. Can tell you are not a racing man. A young raw male animal who in time will mature and could be very useful.
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