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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 11:01:52 GMT
"The NHS must offer transgender patients awaiting transitioning treatment access to fertility services or it risks breaking the law, the health service has been warned by the country’s equality watchdog. The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) is threatening legal action if “outdated” NHS policies, which it says discriminate against the transgender community, are not changed urgently. “Our laws and our values protect those who seek treatment for gender dysphoria,” Hilsenrath said. “This means that, where appropriate, treatment should be made available in order to ensure that access to health services is free of discrimination. A choice between treatment for gender dysphoria and the chance to start a family is not a real choice. The removal and storage of eggs and sperm – a process known as gamete extraction – gives transgender people the option of having their own biological children after transitioning treatment." So, the taxpayer has to pay for someone to have their knackers chopped off, and at the same time we have to supply them with fertility treatment? Is it any wonder the NHS is struggling for money? Complete and utter madness. The Guardian |
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Post by baggins on Aug 7, 2018 11:07:49 GMT
Oh it gets better, NHS now to pay for rehabilitation for children addicted to video games.
Never mind the cancer sufferers, the huge shortage of nurses, Doctors, beds, lets treat this lot who should have had their xboxes taken away from them by the Parents in the first place.
What the hell are we doing?
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 7, 2018 11:13:07 GMT
Well, they refused to treat my sex addiction.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 11:20:02 GMT
Well, they refused to treat my sex addiction. Oh no, don't tell me that you're getting splinters from humping the leg of the kitchen table? That could cause an infection y'know? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 7, 2018 11:23:24 GMT
Well, they refused to treat my sex addiction. Oh no, don't tell me that you're getting splinters from humping the leg of the kitchen table? That could cause an infection y'know? Only way I could "get wood". |
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Post by baggins on Aug 7, 2018 11:23:29 GMT
Well, they refused to treat my sex addiction. To be fair, you probably just needed a vet. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 7, 2018 11:27:58 GMT
Well, they refused to treat my sex addiction. To be fair, you probably just needed a vet. Nobby's a vet....oh that sort. |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Aug 7, 2018 12:13:05 GMT
Well, they refused to treat my sex addiction. Oh no, don't tell me that you're getting splinters from humping the leg of the kitchen table? That could cause an infection y'know? Hey, that's my job  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 12:24:43 GMT
Seriously though we do need to look at what the NHS should cover. Obviously when Nye Bevan brought the NHS into being he could not have envisaged what technology would bring. Equally, when Equality Laws are drafted, unintended consequences should be considered.
As a starter for ten these are some the things that should be paid for privately.
Fertility Treatment
Abortion where failure to take precaution is obvious
Correction of failed privately delivered cosmetic surgery
A&E service due to alcohol, drugs or fighting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 12:36:32 GMT
Seriously though we do need to look at what the NHS should cover. Obviously when Nye Bevan brought the NHS into being he could not have envisaged what technology would bring. Equally, when Equality Laws are drafted, unintended consequences should be considered. As a starter for ten these are some the things that should be paid for privately. Fertility Treatment Abortion where failure to take precaution is obvious Correction of failed privately delivered cosmetic surgery A&E service due to alcohol, drugs or fighting. The way it works here in Germany is that basically the hospital's treat you if you are 'broken' (if you get my drift). Anything else, then you have to go to a Specialist Doctor outside of the hospital. NHS. Fertility treatment - Usually the first attempt is free, but then it's 5,000 quid a go. You also missed out Gastric Bands. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 12:41:05 GMT
Seriously though we do need to look at what the NHS should cover. Obviously when Nye Bevan brought the NHS into being he could not have envisaged what technology would bring. Equally, when Equality Laws are drafted, unintended consequences should be considered. As a starter for ten these are some the things that should be paid for privately. Fertility Treatment Abortion where failure to take precaution is obvious Correction of failed privately delivered cosmetic surgery A&E service due to alcohol, drugs or fighting. The way it works here in Germany is that basically the hospital's treat you if you are 'broken' (if you get my drift). Anything else, then you have to go to a Specialist Doctor outside of the hospital. NHS. Fertility treatment - Usually the first attempt is free, but then it's 5,000 quid a go. You also missed out Gastric Bands. On Fertility I think the guidance is 3 rounds, although not all Health Authorities offer the whole 3 Gastric bands. Not so sure because if effective the saving on long term costs due to health issues associated with obesity may make it a false economy |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 12:45:31 GMT
The way it works here in Germany is that basically the hospital's treat you if you are 'broken' (if you get my drift). Anything else, then you have to go to a Specialist Doctor outside of the hospital. NHS. Fertility treatment - Usually the first attempt is free, but then it's 5,000 quid a go. You also missed out Gastric Bands. On Fertility I think the guidance is 3 rounds, although not all Health Authorities offer the whole 3 Gastric bands. Not so sure because if effective the saving on long term costs due to health issues associated with obesity may make it a false economy Some Trusts offer three attempts, most offer one. A friend of mine has spent 20k with the NHS on this. Gastric Bands - Nope. Just tell people to eat less and move more. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 18:57:23 GMT
On Fertility I think the guidance is 3 rounds, although not all Health Authorities offer the whole 3 Gastric bands. Not so sure because if effective the saving on long term costs due to health issues associated with obesity may make it a false economy Some Trusts offer three attempts, most offer one. A friend of mine has spent 20k with the NHS on this. Gastric Bands - Nope. Just tell people to eat less and move more. And tell people to live in their own country? We cannot, should not, tell people how to live. But they should face up to the consequences of their choice |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 5:50:04 GMT
Some Trusts offer three attempts, most offer one. A friend of mine has spent 20k with the NHS on this. Gastric Bands - Nope. Just tell people to eat less and move more. And tell people to live in their own country? We cannot, should not, tell people how to live. But they should face up to the consequences of their choice "And tell people to live in their own country?" - What? Where has that come from? No, you cannot tell people how to live, but they cannot expect the taxpayer to cough up for the results of their lifestyle. We seem to agree on this  |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 8, 2018 6:38:42 GMT
Looks to me like the OP is very bitter that she can't get the op she wants in Germany.
Trololol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 7:02:03 GMT
Looks to me like the OP is very bitter that she can't get the op she wants in Germany. Trololol Nice try  Germany is an Insurance-Based Health system. If you want treatment like this, you first have to ask your Health Insurance Company if they will pay for it. I can tell you right now, they will not. You then have to pay for it yourself if you want the work done. The health system here is designed to fix you if you are broken. Having yer knackers chopped off and calling yourself Melanie is considered to be a cosmetic treatment and therefore not covered under the terms of your health policy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 7:29:30 GMT
And tell people to live in their own country? We cannot, should not, tell people how to live. But they should face up to the consequences of their choice "And tell people to live in their own country?" - What? Where has that come from? No, you cannot tell people how to live, but they cannot expect the taxpayer to cough up for the results of their lifestyle. We seem to agree on this No sorry. I missed "How" Yes I do agree that there should be costs for lifestyle choices |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 7:32:36 GMT
Looks to me like the OP is very bitter that she can't get the op she wants in Germany. Trololol Nice try Germany is an Insurance-Based Health system. If you want treatment like this, you first have to ask your Health Insurance Company if they will pay for it. I can tell you right now, they will not. You then have to pay for it yourself if you want the work done. The health system here is designed to fix you if you are broken. Having yer knackers chopped off and calling yourself Melanie is considered to be a cosmetic treatment and therefore not covered under the terms of your health policy. Harshly worded but in principle I have doubts over funding sex changes for those who are basically gay. Their choice and of course none of my business, or anyone's. But pay for it? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 8, 2018 7:45:45 GMT
Nice try Germany is an Insurance-Based Health system. If you want treatment like this, you first have to ask your Health Insurance Company if they will pay for it. I can tell you right now, they will not. You then have to pay for it yourself if you want the work done. The health system here is designed to fix you if you are broken. Having yer knackers chopped off and calling yourself Melanie is considered to be a cosmetic treatment and therefore not covered under the terms of your health policy. Harshly worded but in principle I have doubts over funding sex changes for those who are basically gay. Their choice and of course none of my business, or anyone's. But pay for it? Transvestism, transgender and transexual is nothing like being basically gay. There is a pretty good case to argue that's it's not a choice either though for some it is. I agree that the NHS needs to look at what things we currently offer free of charge |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 7:53:02 GMT
Harshly worded but in principle I have doubts over funding sex changes for those who are basically gay. Their choice and of course none of my business, or anyone's. But pay for it? Transvestism, transgender and transexual is nothing like being basically gay. There is a pretty good case to argue that's it's not a choice either though for some it is. I agree that the NHS needs to look at what things we currently offer free of charge I accept that, what causes me some doubt is what appears to be a sudden increase (if there is). |
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