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Post by aghast on Sept 17, 2018 21:58:55 GMT
I'm not much of a fan of social scientists coming up with an idea and back-fitting numbers to it to make it look like maths and real science. But did they? Or did they ask relevant questions? From your viewpoint why do you believe that people voted to leave the EU? I'm sympathetic to your views, Oldie, I just don't like pseudo science being used to prove a point. I did A Level economics many many years ago, and although I found it fascinating, I thought some of the maths applied to the way the market works was a bit dodgy. Applying it to voter intentions is even more dodgy as way of proving a theory. In answer to your question, though, since you asked, I would say "Immigration". |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 22:16:44 GMT
But did they? Or did they ask relevant questions? From your viewpoint why do you believe that people voted to leave the EU? I'm sympathetic to your views, Oldie, I just don't like pseudo science being used to prove a point. I did A Level economics many many years ago, and although I found it fascinating, I thought some of the maths applied to the way the market works was a bit dodgy. Applying it to voter intentions is even more dodgy as way of proving a theory. In answer to your question, though, since you asked, I would say "Immigration". Fair enough (And I to your views) And I totally agree immigration was a key issue. But, I would contend, hopelessly misrepresented by those with another agenda. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 18, 2018 8:56:16 GMT
I'm sympathetic to your views, Oldie, I just don't like pseudo science being used to prove a point. I did A Level economics many many years ago, and although I found it fascinating, I thought some of the maths applied to the way the market works was a bit dodgy. Applying it to voter intentions is even more dodgy as way of proving a theory. In answer to your question, though, since you asked, I would say "Immigration". Fair enough (And I to your views) And I totally agree immigration was a key issue. But, I would contend, hopelessly misrepresented by those with another agenda. The problem with politics is that everyone has an agenda and almost every issue on both sides was hopelessly misrepresented. No one is sensible and no one seems to occupy the center. There are some good points raised on the right as well as the left but they are often lost due to the individuals (mis)representing them. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 9:34:43 GMT
Fair enough (And I to your views) And I totally agree immigration was a key issue. But, I would contend, hopelessly misrepresented by those with another agenda. The problem with politics is that everyone has an agenda and almost every issue on both sides was hopelessly misrepresented. No one is sensible and no one seems to occupy the center. There are some good points raised on the right as well as the left but they are often lost due to the individuals (mis)representing them. But we can't throw our hands up in the air and turn away. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 18, 2018 10:10:30 GMT
The problem with politics is that everyone has an agenda and almost every issue on both sides was hopelessly misrepresented. No one is sensible and no one seems to occupy the center. There are some good points raised on the right as well as the left but they are often lost due to the individuals (mis)representing them. But we can't throw our hands up in the air and turn away. If no one represents you, what alternative is there? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 10:18:55 GMT
But we can't throw our hands up in the air and turn away. If no one represents you, what alternative is there? Join with like minded people. |
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 25, 2018 10:12:41 GMT
I'm sympathetic to your views, Oldie, I just don't like pseudo science being used to prove a point. I did A Level economics many many years ago, and although I found it fascinating, I thought some of the maths applied to the way the market works was a bit dodgy. Applying it to voter intentions is even more dodgy as way of proving a theory. In answer to your question, though, since you asked, I would say "Immigration". Fair enough (And I to your views) And I totally agree immigration was a key issue. But, I would contend, hopelessly misrepresented by those with another agenda. Well, of course you do, with your nice, comfortable, middle-class existence. You`ve got about as much in common with ( or understanding of ) people who voted out, as I have with the Temperance Society.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 10:16:05 GMT
Fair enough (And I to your views) And I totally agree immigration was a key issue. But, I would contend, hopelessly misrepresented by those with another agenda. Well, of course you do, with your nice, comfortable, middle-class existence. You`ve got about as much in common with ( or understanding of ) people who voted out, as I have with the Temperance Society.
Wow, your psychosis so advanced that you comment on me personally across two threads at the same time. |
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Post by jaggas on Sept 25, 2018 18:52:54 GMT
An interesting analysis here. Worth a read Here’s the science behind the Brexit vote and Trump’s rise | Michele Gelfand flip.it/4kc-n6A major reason people voted Trump was because the majority didn`t want a corrupt old hag with a sex mad husband running the country...There is no real science behind it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 19:08:02 GMT
An interesting analysis here. Worth a read Here’s the science behind the Brexit vote and Trump’s rise | Michele Gelfand flip.it/4kc-n6A major reason people voted Trump was because the majority didn`t want a corrupt old hag with a sex mad husband running the country...There is no real science behind it. Ummm..really? You don't believe in evidence? |
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Post by jaggas on Sept 25, 2018 21:29:51 GMT
Her emails vanished and over 100 people with dirt on the Clintons died in mysterious circumstances most by suicide.....The Clintons are a vile corrupt couple who both lied under oath its a no brainer she wasn`t voted in.
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Post by pirate on Sept 25, 2018 23:16:09 GMT
An interesting analysis here. Worth a read Here’s the science behind the Brexit vote and Trump’s rise | Michele Gelfand flip.it/4kc-n6A major reason people voted Trump was because the majority didn`t want a corrupt old hag with a sex mad husband running the country...There is no real science behind it.    |
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Post by pirate on Sept 25, 2018 23:26:51 GMT
....The Clintons are a vile corrupt couple who both lied under oath its a no brainer she wasn`t voted in. The Clintons are a vile corrupt couple, but you think trump is any better? His son in law is a Chabad Lubavitch kingpin and Trump recently commuted the 27-year prison sentence of Chabad kosher butcher, Rabbi Sholom Rabashkin, 57, a GOP donor. He was convicted in 2009 of financial fraud and In addition, in one of the nation's largest illegal worker busts, federal authorities raided the plant and detained 389 illegal immigrants in 2008. There were also 9,311 counts of child labor violations in the indictments, as well as horrific safety violations. Authorities also found a Meth lab. Plant supervisors were involved in rape and sexual abuse of workers. PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) also documented and filmed what they called the worst animal abuses and extreme cruelty they had ever seen. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 26, 2018 9:19:35 GMT
I actually agree with Jaggas for once!!
Both candidates were awful but people went for someone not part of "the establishment".
This is what happens when you have 2 really bad candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:29:27 GMT
I actually agree with Jaggas for once!! Both candidates were awful but people went for someone not part of "the establishment". This is what happens when you have 2 really bad candidates. I disagree. For me that's the simplistic argument. The real issue is the fact that whole swathes of the populations of the USA and the UK, have not benefited from the growth of their respective economies since the late 1980s. This causes resentment and insecurity. Prime factors for a like Trump to exploit, allowing him to blame realities of life for those people on things like immigration, nasty foreign governments. You can witness similar tactics in the Brexit debate. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 26, 2018 9:38:57 GMT
I actually agree with Jaggas for once!! Both candidates were awful but people went for someone not part of "the establishment". This is what happens when you have 2 really bad candidates. I disagree. For me that's the simplistic argument. The real issue is the fact that whole swathes of the populations of the USA and the UK, have not benefited from the growth of their respective economies since the late 1980s. This causes resentment and insecurity. Prime factors for a like Trump to exploit, allowing him to blame realities of life for those people on things like immigration, nasty foreign governments. You can witness similar tactics in the Brexit debate. I'm not defending Trump, but Clinton was a bad candidate. In devisive 2 party politics, you can see how he got in. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 10:12:22 GMT
I disagree. For me that's the simplistic argument. The real issue is the fact that whole swathes of the populations of the USA and the UK, have not benefited from the growth of their respective economies since the late 1980s. This causes resentment and insecurity. Prime factors for a like Trump to exploit, allowing him to blame realities of life for those people on things like immigration, nasty foreign governments. You can witness similar tactics in the Brexit debate. I'm not defending Trump, but Clinton was a bad candidate. In devisive 2 party politics, you can see how he got in. Point I am trying to make, Trump is the symptom not the cause. Ditto Brexit. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 26, 2018 10:30:26 GMT
I'm not defending Trump, but Clinton was a bad candidate. In devisive 2 party politics, you can see how he got in. Point I am trying to make, Trump is the symptom not the cause. Ditto Brexit. Yeah I agree. But some people will make the argument that being too liberal with our borders is the cause or at least the perception that we are too liberal is. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 10:40:24 GMT
Point I am trying to make, Trump is the symptom not the cause. Ditto Brexit. Yeah I agree. But some people will make the argument that being too liberal with our borders is the cause or at least the perception that we are too liberal is. Yep. Those "some people", being or led by, with a dark agenda |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 12:24:02 GMT
Yeah I agree. But some people will make the argument that being too liberal with our borders is the cause or at least the perception that we are too liberal is. Yep. Those "some people", being or led by, with a dark agenda Go on then, I'm getting moist with anticipation.......but just what is this 'dark agenda' you refer to. |
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