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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Oct 10, 2014 10:20:56 GMT
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Post by gasincider on Oct 10, 2014 10:34:16 GMT
Spot on Darrell. We have to do everything to ensure we get out of this hell hole at the first time of asking.
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Oct 10, 2014 12:36:01 GMT
Spot on Darrell. We have to do everything to ensure we get out of this hell hole at the first time of asking. hell hole - personally I've seen more decent games, banter with away fans in car park is good natured and calm (expect teams like Lincoln will be less friendly) and most importantly recruitment of players who really want to be at my football club for first time in years. Far fewer opposition players who roll around like they've been shot, and those who try it get lampooned by own team mates usually. The league communicates with fans and the sponsor gets involved and generates interest in the league unlike some massive corporate anonymous company. Blimey you could even get to like being in L5. Its certainly not the one road route to misery I feared. OK the refs are terrible but that's the one big negative for me so far, and of course Board considering internal review result was 'lack of a goal scoring striker' but we've still not gone out to get a 20 goal a season record man.
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Post by socrates on Oct 10, 2014 12:53:36 GMT
I agree with all of that, good post. The problem with going out and buying a 20 goal a season man is finding one that will join us. It'd probably have to be someone who's scored loads of goals in the divisions lower than us and don't Taylor and white fit that bill ?
I'm Sure there are strikers who would join who could score a goal every 2-3 games for us but finding them is difficult and I'm still not entirely convinced that's it's just down to bringing more strikers in anyway. It's a bit like the old " sack the manager get another one in " really we've been lacking goals for years now whilst more or less playing the same way. I think we're just a safety first kind of team , and a lot of that is down to the fact we only have one winger and very little creativity going forward from midfield and the full backs.
I can see us signing someone with a record like Jamie White and still not scoring many.
Actually I've got an idea..... Let's try Jamie White.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 10, 2014 13:17:08 GMT
Spot on Darrell. We have to do everything to ensure we get out of this hell hole at the first time of asking. hell hole - personally I've seen more decent games, banter with away fans in car park is good natured and calm (expect teams like Lincoln will be less friendly) and most importantly recruitment of players who really want to be at my football club for first time in years. Far fewer opposition players who roll around like they've been shot, and those who try it get lampooned by own team mates usually. The league communicates with fans and the sponsor gets involved and generates interest in the league unlike some massive corporate anonymous company. Blimey you could even get to like being in L5. Its certainly not the one road route to misery I feared. OK the refs are terrible but that's the one big negative for me so far, and of course Board considering internal review result was 'lack of a goal scoring striker' but we've still not gone out to get a 20 goal a season record man. What about the complete lack of any media coverage, and games at the Mem played without virtually any away fans, not to mention the "incidents" at Braintree and this week's home game? I sense it might easier for DC to persaude players to join us now we're at the right end of the table but finding a 20 goal a season striker isn't going to be as easy as some fans seem to think it will be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 13:54:02 GMT
On paper Matty Taylor is a 20+ goal a season striker but we seem to have broken him. There's still time though.
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Oct 10, 2014 14:11:32 GMT
I agree with all of that, good post. The problem with going out and buying a 20 goal a season man is finding one that will join us. It'd probably have to be someone who's scored loads of goals in the divisions lower than us and don't Taylor and white fit that bill ? I'm Sure there are strikers who would join who could score a goal every 2-3 games for us but finding them is difficult and I'm still not entirely convinced that's it's just down to bringing more strikers in anyway. It's a bit like the old " sack the manager get another one in " really we've been lacking goals for years now whilst more or less playing the same way. I think we're just a safety first kind of team , and a lot of that is down to the fact we only have one winger and very little creativity going forward from midfield and the full backs. I can see us signing someone with a record like Jamie White and still not scoring many. Actually I've got an idea..... Let's try Jamie White. Wrexham got Moult, Gateshead got Wright, even Dover got Miller - so they are out there, but it does need financial gamble to get them and they dont always come off (Wright didnt find favour at FGR) I've been an advocate of Jamie White in past, but injuries have clearly taken toll-half the player I saw in early seasons at Salisbury and seems miles from fitness I'd expect from those days. However it does need something to happen if we are to maintain form as you cant score one and win games forever, and we have not got an O'Toole type (thank goodness in some ways) who will chip in with 15 from non striker positions to make up for deficiciencies. I'm a fan of Matt Taylor as a footballer but he's struggling to find goals and Cunnington isnt showing a killer instinct either You may be right in giving WHite a run out - but we'd miss Taylors hold up play and the height Cunnington brings. Taylor White and Ellis all pretty similar except Ellis pace, so I'm far from convinced we have a wining pairing from within current squad Bloke who watches youth team every year maintains Lucas will score goals for us after xmas after a while playing mens football to toughen him up -I've not seen much of lad myself)
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Oct 10, 2014 14:19:24 GMT
hell hole - personally I've seen more decent games, banter with away fans in car park is good natured and calm (expect teams like Lincoln will be less friendly) and most importantly recruitment of players who really want to be at my football club for first time in years. Far fewer opposition players who roll around like they've been shot, and those who try it get lampooned by own team mates usually. The league communicates with fans and the sponsor gets involved and generates interest in the league unlike some massive corporate anonymous company. Blimey you could even get to like being in L5. Its certainly not the one road route to misery I feared. OK the refs are terrible but that's the one big negative for me so far, and of course Board considering internal review result was 'lack of a goal scoring striker' but we've still not gone out to get a 20 goal a season record man. What about the complete lack of any media coverage, and games at the Mem played without virtually any away fans, not to mention the "incidents" at Braintree and this week's home game? I sense it might easier for DC to persaude players to join us now we're at the right end of the table but finding a 20 goal a season striker isn't going to be as easy as some fans seem to think it will be. Media coverage doesnt bother me as I'm at all home games-but club should sort out youtube coverage- every other club seems to do it Braintree and a couple of people giving racist abuse is highlighted more in non league I'd agree- not entirely sure in long term highlighting idiots wont be a good thing in terms of ensuring fans know what consequences of bad behaviour is, although short term its not great I agree We've failed to get strikers in for 5-6 years-no idea why-strikers love the rush of scoring in front of big crowds, we get decent crowds so why we miss out on strikers as a league club is a mystery - even bigger mystery now.
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Oct 10, 2014 14:20:40 GMT
On paper Matty Taylor is a 20+ goal a season striker but we seem to have broken him. There's still time though. Dont know where you get your paper from...... I like Mstt Taylor as a footballer and energy and effort But he's never scored more than 10 in any of his 3 previous seasons at Conference level
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 14:36:05 GMT
On paper Matty Taylor is a 20+ goal a season striker but we seem to have broken him. There's still time though. Is he ? When did he manage that ?
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Post by fanboy on Oct 10, 2014 14:44:58 GMT
On paper Matty Taylor is a 20+ goal a season striker but we seem to have broken him. There's still time though. Is he ? When did he manage that ? Scored 6 in 6 at this level last season in a poor Chester team.
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Oct 10, 2014 14:47:37 GMT
I agree with all of that, good post. The problem with going out and buying a 20 goal a season man is finding one that will join us. It'd probably have to be someone who's scored loads of goals in the divisions lower than us and don't Taylor and white fit that bill ? I'm Sure there are strikers who would join who could score a goal every 2-3 games for us but finding them is difficult and I'm still not entirely convinced that's it's just down to bringing more strikers in anyway. It's a bit like the old " sack the manager get another one in " really we've been lacking goals for years now whilst more or less playing the same way. I think we're just a safety first kind of team , and a lot of that is down to the fact we only have one winger and very little creativity going forward from midfield and the full backs. I can see us signing someone with a record like Jamie White and still not scoring many. Actually I've got an idea..... Let's try Jamie White. Wrexham got Moult, Gateshead got Wright, even Dover got Miller - so they are out there, but it does need financial gamble to get them and they dont always come off (Wright didnt find favour at FGR) I've been an advocate of Jamie White in past, but injuries have clearly taken toll-half the player I saw in early seasons at Salisbury and seems miles from fitness I'd expect from those days. However it does need something to happen if we are to maintain form as you cant score one and win games forever, and we have not got an O'Toole type (thank goodness in some ways) who will chip in with 15 from non striker positions to make up for deficiciencies. I'm a fan of Matt Taylor as a footballer but he's struggling to find goals and Cunnington isnt showing a killer instinct either You may be right in giving WHite a run out - but we'd miss Taylors hold up play and the height Cunnington brings. Taylor White and Ellis all pretty similar except Ellis pace, so I'm far from convinced we have a wining pairing from within current squad Bloke who watches youth team every year maintains Lucas will score goals for us after xmas after a while playing mens football to toughen him up -I've not seen much of lad myself) What about Cunnington's 21 for Tamworth in 2012/13. In fact your '20-goal a season men' Moult, Wright and Miller have never hit 20 in this league.
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Post by fanboy on Oct 10, 2014 14:51:57 GMT
Wrexham got Moult, Gateshead got Wright, even Dover got Miller - so they are out there, but it does need financial gamble to get them and they dont always come off (Wright didnt find favour at FGR) I've been an advocate of Jamie White in past, but injuries have clearly taken toll-half the player I saw in early seasons at Salisbury and seems miles from fitness I'd expect from those days. However it does need something to happen if we are to maintain form as you cant score one and win games forever, and we have not got an O'Toole type (thank goodness in some ways) who will chip in with 15 from non striker positions to make up for deficiciencies. I'm a fan of Matt Taylor as a footballer but he's struggling to find goals and Cunnington isnt showing a killer instinct either You may be right in giving WHite a run out - but we'd miss Taylors hold up play and the height Cunnington brings. Taylor White and Ellis all pretty similar except Ellis pace, so I'm far from convinced we have a wining pairing from within current squad Bloke who watches youth team every year maintains Lucas will score goals for us after xmas after a while playing mens football to toughen him up -I've not seen much of lad myself) What about Cunnington's 21 for Tamworth in 2012/13. In fact your '20-goal a season men' Moult, Wright and Miller have never hit 20 in this league. Haha, touché!
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 10, 2014 15:05:01 GMT
I think it's quite clear that Taylor isn't a 20 goal a season striker. He gets dragged out wide far too often. For the type of player he is he needs to be playing off the shoulder of the last defender. He's got the pace and an explosive shot but just isn't in those positions enough. When 1 on 1 against Dover a 20 goal striker would have finished that.
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Post by tonz on Oct 10, 2014 15:16:09 GMT
Media coverage doesnt bother me as I'm at all home games-but club should sort out youtube coverage- every other club seems to do it This is what really winds me up. How hard can it be to stick a few highlights on YouTube. I believe the official line was highlights would be available on Gas Player and goals on YouTube which I think is pretty poor and doesn't seem to be happening anyway. Something is wrong when I can see Bristol City goals all over the place and not be able to see Rovers goals anywhere without paying.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 15:32:42 GMT
On paper Matty Taylor is a 20+ goal a season striker but we seem to have broken him. There's still time though. Dont know where you get your paper from...... I like Mstt Taylor as a footballer and energy and effort But he's never scored more than 10 in any of his 3 previous seasons at Conference level Opps my bad, I was thinking of Jamie White's record.
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Post by Severncider on Oct 10, 2014 16:08:43 GMT
Let's wait until next week.
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Post by buckrippers on Oct 10, 2014 17:46:17 GMT
I think it's quite clear that Taylor isn't a 20 goal a season striker. He gets dragged out wide far too often. For the type of player he is he needs to be playing off the shoulder of the last defender. He's got the pace and an explosive shot but just isn't in those positions enough. When 1 on 1 against Dover a 20 goal striker would have finished that. It's not like he never gets in the positions to score though, I recall chances missed against Grimsby, Barnet and Forest Green which could have helped us get seven points from those games rather than two. I just don't think he has the coolness needed and while those chances get away we are left hanging on for dear life to a slender lead
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 10, 2014 18:07:40 GMT
I think it's quite clear that Taylor isn't a 20 goal a season striker. He gets dragged out wide far too often. For the type of player he is he needs to be playing off the shoulder of the last defender. He's got the pace and an explosive shot but just isn't in those positions enough. When 1 on 1 against Dover a 20 goal striker would have finished that. It's not like he never gets in the positions to score though, I recall chances missed against Grimsby, Barnet and Forest Green which could have helped us get seven points from those games rather than two. I just don't think he has the coolness needed and while those chances get away we are left hanging on for dear life to a slender lead That's what I mean. Even when he gets in those positions he's failed to score. We would be top of the league if he'd taken those chances.
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Post by Staffordshire Gas on Oct 10, 2014 21:15:43 GMT
It's not like he never gets in the positions to score though, I recall chances missed against Grimsby, Barnet and Forest Green which could have helped us get seven points from those games rather than two. I just don't think he has the coolness needed and while those chances get away we are left hanging on for dear life to a slender lead That's what I mean. Even when he gets in those positions he's failed to score. We would be top of the league if he'd taken those chances. Also v Grimsby he should have won it when put through with just their keeper to beat and made a less than convincing effort .Need more from him and Aldershot will be a good time to improve his very disappointing record thus far.White clearly not impressed the manager so not sure who we turn to but more Quality/Beef/sharpness/flair needed up front.P.S. Hope Lead bitter starts Sat.
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