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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 30, 2018 14:17:03 GMT
I definitely fall into the "be careful what you wish for" camp. Here is why: 1. We will never know why the UWE deal fell through. There is an automatic assumption that it was the fault of our owners, however it could have been the fault of UWE and I have heard anything, read anything that conclusively proves either way. 2. When they came in, they NEVER EVER said that they were Billionaires prepared to chuck loads of cash at the club. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just wrong. They were very fair at the beginning with "Evolution, not Revolution". I do believe we have evolved over the last couple of years. Certainly with TG trying to generate more income. I hear things like "The ALQ's haven't even paid for the refurbishments". Good, I say. The club needs to be sustainable in its own right. It shows that under the previous owners we hadn't engaged with the business community enough. 3. The Colony - The biggest conspiracy theory in the history of Bristol Rovers. Actually, they have told us what has happened. It's turned out to be more expensive that they were expecting. I can believe that. They have bought the land, that shows me that they had intentions. I actually think that they are right to pull the plug if they cannot afford it. 4. The 2nd conspiracy that they will sell the stadium when their loan value equals the asset value. This one is still to be decided. However, put yourself in their shoes for a moment. If you heard the sh** that is being spouted about you. If you see the disrespectful memes that are being posted on social media. If you start to hear rascist undertones about your country of origin. If you are being called a fraud. What would you do? I think we may be in danger of creating a self fulfilling prophecy. Apart from chucking millions into the club, I don't see how they could have done much differently. People talk about three goal scorers leaving. No one is blaming the players here. The players wanted to leave to further their careers (and more cash). Hamer in his interview last week hinted that we were being paid in instalments and if you listen to what he said and you do have to listen hard. He said that the money that they had received was reinvested in players. That suggests to me that we haven't received all the money for those three players. Fans are so focused on this cash from three players, however no one ever asked what happened to the £1m we supposedly received when Ricky Lambert made his England debut. Our transfer record is still Andy Tillson, so what happened to that money, eh? Just be careful what you wish for. I agreed with the evolution and not revolution thing, I didn't expect them to chuck money around but I expected more than we got from Higgs and co. All we've got is a fancy behind the scenes additions of whom no one really knows what they do and a London office. With the colony, costs can spiral but they were only willing to spend 2M when it would have cost 8M? Sorry but they should have knew the costs before hand and there's no way it got that out of hand out of nowhere. He said it had been re-invested. Geoff asked him to clarify whether it had all been re-invested in players and he just responded by saying some sh** like "I can guarantee you it's all been re-invested". Everyone knows where the Lambert money went - the stadium/sainsburys fiasco. Why would the UWE kill the UWE project when they approached the club in the first place and the land is now just stuck unused, just like our training ground! Given how little the AQL's have invested in the club does any seriously think they were ever going to get involved in building a £30M+ stadium. If they were surely they'd finance a better looking tent than the new family stand, get the damn large TV screen installed a bit quicker, even give DC a bit of money to get in a decent striker or two. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 14:40:51 GMT
The bottom line is that the club structure is awful. Having a CEO who isn't actually responsible for all staff is weird. Having a CEO and a paid Chair is pretty weird, especially when they don't talk. No disrespect but do you have any experience of medium sized business? Or Boards? Fact - Hamer didn't know about Starnes being employed. Fact - Starnes works in Box 1 during the week, far away from everyone else in the stadium. Fact - Hamer and Starnes never talk to each other. Fact - Hamer got the job as he was helping AQ buy a club. Starnes got the job because he asked his friend wael if he had any work going. New Programme editor got his job as an ex work colleague of Starnes at plymouyh. None of those jobs were advertised or interviewef for. This isn't just about wasted money, it's about structure, unclear responsibilities and a very very clear lack of communication and acceptance between hamer and Starnes. Yet Wael ultimately orgsnised all this. It is causing a problem and does not help the on the field problems. Maybe Starnes is working on something that Wael does not want Hamer to know about. Hamer has time to do radio and stuff now. Maybe Wael was not happy with him, but he's under contract. Starnes has not been employed to do nothing though. He was doing community work last I heard, so yeah in that sense he's not been employed to do nothing, he's just not been employed to do what we hope he should be doing. |
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Post by Cosmic Pasty on Nov 30, 2018 14:48:19 GMT
By the end of December he said........... The Bristol Rovers nativity... It's a comfort to know that someone still believes there might be three wise men there 
Hopefully the rumour won't involve the return of Santa's Grotto!
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Post by Big Jock on Nov 30, 2018 15:54:28 GMT
Well i woulda voted IN, that is if th chuffkin votey thing hadnae been locked.
Anywaes - 'Mon th WAQ!!!
When a Camel is at th foot of a mountain, only then judge his height.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 30, 2018 16:20:45 GMT
Well i woulda voted IN, that is if th chuffkin votey thing hadnae been locked.
Anywaes - 'Mon th WAQ!!!
When a Camel is at th foot of a mountain, only then judge his height.
One Out! Glad you're back big jock, good stretch? |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 30, 2018 17:46:04 GMT
I believe UWE falling through was at fault of UWE and not the board.I agreed with the evolution and not revolution thing, I didn't expect them to chuck money around but I expected more than we got from Higgs and co. All we've got is a fancy behind the scenes additions of whom no one really knows what they do and a London office. With the colony, costs can spiral but they were only willing to spend 2M when it would have cost 8M? Sorry but they should have knew the costs before hand and there's no way it got that out of hand out of nowhere. He said it had been re-invested. Geoff asked him to clarify whether it had all been re-invested in players and he just responded by saying some sh** like "I can guarantee you it's all been re-invested". Everyone knows where the Lambert money went - the stadium/sainsburys fiasco. Why would the UWE kill the UWE project when they approached the club in the first place and the land is now just stuck unused, just like our training ground! Given how little the AQL's have invested in the club does any seriously think they were ever going to get involved in building a £30M+ stadium. If they were surely they'd finance a better looking tent than the new family stand, get the damn large TV screen installed a bit quicker, even give DC a bit of money to get in a decent striker or two. Not that they killed it but that they demanded too much, like owning all the income streams and that's not really the point of a new stadium is it? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 30, 2018 18:57:37 GMT
Not so, my sources very close to the club assure me that the cat is in the bag and under no circumstances should I let it out. Your cat is riddled with fleas. At least I don't get beaten up by my cat. |
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Post by utg12 on Nov 30, 2018 19:09:05 GMT
Maybe Starnes is working on something that Wael does not want Hamer to know about. Hamer has time to do radio and stuff now. Maybe Wael was not happy with him, but he's under contract. Starnes has not been employed to do nothing though. Plus it's nice to know you know exactly what they are doing every second of every day. Unless you are one of them, there is no way you could know if they speak or not. Do you not what he's working on then, as you know so much??? People want info and when you give it to them then then cry foul or 'you know too much'. strange. Starnes is in Box 1, using it as an 'office'. to be clear, him being a weird type of CEo is not his fault, nor that they also have a paid chair who has little to do. It's ultimately the fault of the owners, since they control the club and control the Board, and they've set up this uneccesary problem. Hamer doing away games is not a plan. KB did games until they failed to support him and he resigned. radio Bris want him to do all matches but can't pay petrol for away games, so club had to find someone to do it. the media team are busy during matches so hamer does it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 19:10:27 GMT
Maybe Starnes is working on something that Wael does not want Hamer to know about. Hamer has time to do radio and stuff now. Maybe Wael was not happy with him, but he's under contract. Starnes has not been employed to do nothing though. He was doing community work last I heard, so yeah in that sense he's not been employed to do nothing, he's just not been employed to do what we hope he should be doing. It would appear to me our CEO spends his time penning his notes for the next home game. As for any other duties, thats' anyones'guess. |
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Post by blueridge on Nov 30, 2018 19:17:50 GMT
Why would the UWE kill the UWE project when they approached the club in the first place and the land is now just stuck unused, just like our training ground! Given how little the AQL's have invested in the club does any seriously think they were ever going to get involved in building a £30M+ stadium. If they were surely they'd finance a better looking tent than the new family stand, get the damn large TV screen installed a bit quicker, even give DC a bit of money to get in a decent striker or two. Not that they killed it but that they demanded too much, like owning all the income streams and that's not really the point of a new stadium is it? How do you know this information? Please share or is it under an NDA? |
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 30, 2018 19:48:30 GMT
Well i woulda voted IN, that is if th chuffkin votey thing hadnae been locked.
Anywaes - 'Mon th WAQ!!!
When a Camel is at th foot of a mountain, only then judge his height.
One Out! Glad you're back big jock, good stretch? Big Jock goes all in. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 30, 2018 19:52:34 GMT
Welcome back Big Jock, we're on the march now COYB
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 30, 2018 20:28:43 GMT
Wow,wev'e won an award!!!!!!!!!Last week, the Club was awarded a Bronze award at the annual Football Business Awards for the category the Best Club Marketing Initiative (non-Premier League).
The award was presented for Club's Season Ticket renewal campaign, that received widespread acclaim when released earlier this year.
The campaign titled 'Step Up' showed the heart-warming story of young supporter's journey on visiting the Memorial Stadium for the first time and was filmed using the loyal fans.
On receiving the award, Commercial Director, Tom Gorringe, said, “We are delighted to be recognised on such a prestigious stage at the Football Business Awards last week.
"The season ticket campaign and in particular the video was one that took a large amount of organisation, involving people within the business as well as some loyal Gasheads.
"We would like to thank everyone that was involved and the organisers of the awards for recognising the campaign amongst all of the great work that goes on within the industry.”
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 30, 2018 21:21:12 GMT
Plus it's nice to know you know exactly what they are doing every second of every day. Unless you are one of them, there is no way you could know if they speak or not. Do you not what he's working on then, as you know so much??? People want info and when you give it to them then then cry foul or 'you know too much'. strange. Starnes is in Box 1, using it as an 'office'. to be clear, him being a weird type of CEo is not his fault, nor that they also have a paid chair who has little to do. It's ultimately the fault of the owners, since they control the club and control the Board, and they've set up this uneccesary problem. Hamer doing away games is not a plan. KB did games until they failed to support him and he resigned. radio Bris want him to do all matches but can't pay petrol for away games, so club had to find someone to do it. the media team are busy during matches so hamer does it. Point is they wouldn't tell you. Did you know about the Uwe, years before everyone else?? If they were working on anything else, your contact would feed you other stuff. I asked because I can make out I am there watching them, knowing there every move lol. |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 30, 2018 21:26:54 GMT
Wow,wev'e won an award!!!!!!!!!Last week, the Club was awarded a Bronze award at the annual Football Business Awards for the category the Best Club Marketing Initiative (non-Premier League). The award was presented for Club's Season Ticket renewal campaign, that received widespread acclaim when released earlier this year. The campaign titled 'Step Up' showed the heart-warming story of young supporter's journey on visiting the Memorial Stadium for the first time and was filmed using the loyal fans. On receiving the award, Commercial Director, Tom Gorringe, said, “We are delighted to be recognised on such a prestigious stage at the Football Business Awards last week. "The season ticket campaign and in particular the video was one that took a large amount of organisation, involving people within the business as well as some loyal Gasheads. "We would like to thank everyone that was involved and the organisers of the awards for recognising the campaign amongst all of the great work that goes on within the industry.” Credit where it's due I do think Tom Gorringe does a good job and that ad was the dog's nads. WAQ and co aren't all bad and they've brought in some good aspects to our club. But their leadership is still water poor. |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 30, 2018 22:19:30 GMT
Not that they killed it but that they demanded too much, like owning all the income streams and that's not really the point of a new stadium is it? How do you know this information? Please share or is it under an NDA? I don't but that was the rumours from when it happened. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 30, 2018 22:53:36 GMT
How do you know this information? Please share or is it under an NDA? I don't but that was the rumours from when it happened. So why repeat them as if they are proven facts when we don't have a clue why the talks failed. |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 30, 2018 23:00:29 GMT
I don't but that was the rumours from when it happened. So why repeat them as if they are proven facts when we don't have a clue why the talks failed. I didn't repeat them as if they were proven facts lmao With the amount of unproven sh** that gets posted on here you must have your hands full |
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Post by barumgas on Nov 30, 2018 23:00:50 GMT
Well i woulda voted IN, that is if th chuffkin votey thing hadnae been locked.
Anywaes - 'Mon th WAQ!!!
When a Camel is at th foot of a mountain, only then judge his height.
Welcome back Jock. Match days will be more bearable now |
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Post by gasify on Nov 30, 2018 23:04:34 GMT
I believe UWE falling through was at fault of UWE and not the board.I agreed with the evolution and not revolution thing, I didn't expect them to chuck money around but I expected more than we got from Higgs and co. All we've got is a fancy behind the scenes additions of whom no one really knows what they do and a London office. With the colony, costs can spiral but they were only willing to spend 2M when it would have cost 8M? Sorry but they should have knew the costs before hand and there's no way it got that out of hand out of nowhere. He said it had been re-invested. Geoff asked him to clarify whether it had all been re-invested in players and he just responded by saying some sh** like "I can guarantee you it's all been re-invested". Everyone knows where the Lambert money went - the stadium/sainsburys fiasco. Why would the UWE kill the UWE project when they approached the club in the first place and the land is now just stuck unused, just like our training ground! Given how little the AQL's have invested in the club does any seriously think they were ever going to get involved in building a £30M+ stadium. If they were surely they'd finance a better looking tent than the new family stand, get the damn large TV screen installed a bit quicker, even give DC a bit of money to get in a decent striker or two. Hey Topper, Good questions, unfortunately no one really knows. What if UWE wanted the revenue from in stadium sales? That would be enough to pull the plug and think we are better off where we are for the moment. Let me say again, no one really knows why that deal collapsed. We would all like to know as that would actually answer the "Should they stay or should they go" question. |
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