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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 29, 2018 15:47:24 GMT
IN all day long.. never seen the playing budget as healthy, we have a better set up than ever before (coaches) academy etc... It’s the management that are letting down the owners. ?? The playing budget is poor and that's considering we've sold players for decent prices. Yes the set up is great, but what's the point in trying to get the academy setup right and all the off-field additions if they're not going to support the first team as much? New guy from Plymouth must be on similar to SH, has he even done anything since arriving? London office etc. Both must come close to 350K a year. Wasted money that could be better used in the transfer budget.
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Post by sipirate on Nov 29, 2018 16:00:43 GMT
Nichols, top scorer for Peterborough the season before he joined us (DC has ruined him) Payne, a shadow of the player last season... Rodman.. a shadow of the player he was terrific last season.. Mcburnie couldn’t even get a game for us and is now starting championship games... DC has proved he is appalling at bringing in any players where there is expectation. Out he goes tada thanks for the memories though Taylor - signed on a free as a FGR reject Bodin - signed on a free as a Torquay reject Harrison - turned a brat child into a great striker Leadbitter - singed on a free as a Hereford reject J. Clarke - Was at Woking Sinclair - signed on a free from Salisbury Lines - signed on a free as a Port Vale reject Sercombe - signed from Oxford Partington - signed from Eastleigh Just off the top of my head - clearly DC ruined all of them too! Jesus. DC brought in every player apart from Lockyer, Harrison, Brown & Ollie Clark (off the top of my head) that took us from the conference to L1. So I don't buy that his signings have been appalling where there is expectation. People can't have it both ways - some say "DC did what was expected in the Conference so its nothing special" - then you get "DC has proved he is appalling at bringing in any players where there is expectation" - well you can't have both, so which is it? DC has proved that he brought in a winning team that had incredible expectations, much higher than they are now! I'm not saying DC's recruitment has been perfect this season, it hasn't - but you post is clutching at straws to say the least. Nichols was hated at Peterborough. Payne was the only player who Shrewsbury fans actually said "I'm not bothered about him leaving at all" Rodman - i'll agree, but these things are called form - you may of may not have heard of it McBurnie - you cant even compare a youth player on loan ffs You make some great points. I am just really not sure if the players (with a bit of expectation are buying into him. In my eyes he actually should be allowed to eat relegated with us and given till Christmas next year.. but yeah I think he has taken us as far as he can.. the loves slowly but surely wearing thin with DC, you can almost see early signs of resignation on his face
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 16:04:32 GMT
What are the chances that if DC walks, he is replaced by the best Jordanian Coach. The meltdown on here would be epic!
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Post by Parrot on Nov 29, 2018 16:20:16 GMT
What are the chances that if DC walks, he is replaced by the best Jordanian Coach. The meltdown on here would be epic! Or we could recycle his stuff changing DC to SC
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 29, 2018 16:27:29 GMT
IN all day long.. never seen the playing budget as healthy, we have a better set up than ever before (coaches) academy etc... It’s the management that are letting down the owners. ?? The playing budget is poor and that's considering we've sold players for decent prices. Yes the set up is great, but what's the point in trying to get the academy setup right and all the off-field additions if they're not going to support the first team as much? New guy from Plymouth must be on similar to SH, has he even done anything since arriving? London office etc. Both must come close to 350K a year. Wasted money that could be better used in the transfer budget. We won't know if the money is waisted or not for a few years. He has to be working on something. So if that thing is better for our long term future, it's worth having him.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 29, 2018 16:44:24 GMT
?? The playing budget is poor and that's considering we've sold players for decent prices. Yes the set up is great, but what's the point in trying to get the academy setup right and all the off-field additions if they're not going to support the first team as much? New guy from Plymouth must be on similar to SH, has he even done anything since arriving? London office etc. Both must come close to 350K a year. Wasted money that could be better used in the transfer budget. We won't know if the money is waisted or not for a few years. He has to be working on something. So if that thing is better for our long term future, it's worth having him. At the moment though it's wasted. We've heard nothing from him. We got a Welcome Martyn article and that was it. It was assumed he was brought in to work on the training ground amongst other projects such and look how that's gone.
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Post by aghast on Nov 29, 2018 16:47:41 GMT
A little wink emoji from Parrot and a couple of teasers from Hugo have planted a tiny seed of hope in my mind. Perhaps the owners might just astonish us with some news and we'll all end up feeling slightly embarrassed. Probably not though. Even if they've been teasing us all along, as much as I would love to hear some positive news, the way it's been handled, with a near-total communications silence and the alienation of a huge chunk of fans, has been ham-fisted and damaging. If that is the case why have they let the manager go on spreading negative vibes through the club? His demeanour can't be dping the club as a whole any good as we battle relegation and he talks like he has been let down on things he thought would happen. If there was something going on surely they would feed him enough to know that positive change is soon forthcoming? Or maybe parrot and hugo should get on the phone to Clarkey themselves if they know so much to stop him from walking? Good point. Perhaps they didn't bother telling Steve Hamer about a new stadium, but you'd think, if anything was happening, they might mention it to the manager.
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 29, 2018 16:50:30 GMT
We won't know if the money is waisted or not for a few years. He has to be working on something. So if that thing is better for our long term future, it's worth having him. At the moment though it's wasted. We've heard nothing from him. We got a Welcome Martyn article and that was it. It was assumed he was brought in to work on the training ground amongst other projects such and look how that's gone. I'm sure he's not doing nothing. We will have to be patient to see what he's doing. What ever he's working on, wouldn't have been done this quickly.
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Post by aghast on Nov 29, 2018 16:51:59 GMT
IN all day long.. never seen the playing budget as healthy, we have a better set up than ever before (coaches) academy etc... It’s the management that are letting down the owners. Where's our fabulous Colony Training Facilities? Where's our new Stadium? Et tu, Brute?
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Post by scoobydoogas on Nov 29, 2018 17:30:47 GMT
Well said Ollie. Agree 100%. "It’s time for the owners of Bristol Roversto make a real statement of intent regarding the future of my beloved former club. "For too long now strong rumours have been circulating that the club is up for sale and I know from personal experience that such uncertainty can transmit to the players and staff. "The same situation existed when I first became manager of Queens Park Rangers in the latter stages of the 2000-01 season. "We ended up being relegated to what is now League One and it took me three years there to win promotion back to the second tier. "Looking from the outside at the moment, Rovers are a stationary boat, with a rudder, but no propeller. "Darrell Clarke is the rudder, possessing the necessary passion and coaching ability to guide the club towards calmer waters, but he needs some real drive from above to bring that about. "If the Al-Qadi family are not looking to sell the club they should come out and say so, while also injecting the sort of money for new players I and other fans expected when they took over. "Should they not be prepared to do that, the quicker they move out the better."I understand the team were cheered off on Wednesday night, despite falling deeper into trouble with a 2-1 home defeat by Gillingham, and that sort of support deserves much better." www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ian-holloway-calls-out-bristol-2273567 I think that pretty much confirms that Holloway won't be our next manager
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Post by scoobydoogas on Nov 29, 2018 17:43:56 GMT
Nichols, top scorer for Peterborough the season before he joined us (DC has ruined him) Payne, a shadow of the player last season... Rodman.. a shadow of the player he was terrific last season.. Mcburnie couldn’t even get a game for us and is now starting championship games... DC has proved he is appalling at bringing in any players where there is expectation. Out he goes tada thanks for the memories though Taylor - signed on a free as a FGR reject Bodin - signed on a free as a Torquay reject Harrison - turned a brat child into a great striker Leadbitter - singed on a free as a Hereford reject J. Clarke - Was at Woking Sinclair - signed on a free from Salisbury Lines - signed on a free as a Port Vale reject Sercombe - signed from Oxford Partington - signed from Eastleigh Just off the top of my head - clearly DC ruined all of them too! Jesus. DC brought in every player apart from Lockyer, Harrison, Brown & Ollie Clark (off the top of my head) that took us from the conference to L1. So I don't buy that his signings have been appalling where there is expectation. People can't have it both ways - some say "DC did what was expected in the Conference so its nothing special" - then you get "DC has proved he is appalling at bringing in any players where there is expectation" - well you can't have both, so which is it? DC has proved that he brought in a winning team that had incredible expectations, much higher than they are now! I'm not saying DC's recruitment has been perfect this season, it hasn't - but you post is clutching at straws to say the least. Nichols was hated at Peterborough. Payne was the only player who Shrewsbury fans actually said "I'm not bothered about him leaving at all" Rodman - i'll agree, but these things are called form - you may of may not have heard of it McBurnie - you cant even compare a youth player on loan ffs The problem with the list of players that you have quoted is that, with the exception of Sercombe (and maybe Partington, cos I'm not sure of my dates) they were not signed as league 1 players. They were either already at the club or brought in before we got out of league 2. With the exception of Sercombe I don't think DC has signed anyone in league 1 that has delivered for us. That is either because he can't spot a decent player for toffee or his style of play is crap and decent players can't or don't want to buy into it. I think it's a bit of both but I personally have never liked his style of play and I have commented about it a number of times on this forum.
Defend from the back rather than the front Give up territory when we lose possession and retreat into our own half Play it out wide when totally unnecessary when there is a direct, defence splitting pass which would be better Get wide men to fire in crosses to a front line who can barely head the ball
I know we got away with things in the Conference and league 2 due to a combination of facing poorer teams and having hungry players who had been let go by other clubs but his style of play has been sussed in league 1 resulting in a lower finish each year. Any team in our division knows how to play against us. It doesn't matter what the formation is, the basic model of football is the same and it's getting slower, more boring and ever more predictable. We don't have the players anymore that are prepared to put the extra effort in to try and make it work.
That's my view, anyway.
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 29, 2018 18:30:50 GMT
What are the chances that if DC walks, he is replaced by the best Jordanian Coach. The meltdown on here would be epic! Or we could recycle his stuff changing DC to SC Personally I really hope not. But if he is lurking in the background that's even more unsettling for DC. If true then IMO they haven't got a clue about loyalty or about this club & would be another reason why I would like the owners gone.
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 29, 2018 18:34:42 GMT
At the moment though it's wasted. We've heard nothing from him. We got a Welcome Martyn article and that was it. It was assumed he was brought in to work on the training ground amongst other projects such and look how that's gone. I'm sure he's not doing nothing. We will have to be patient to see what he's doing. What ever he's working on, wouldn't have been done this quickly. 1500 piece jigsaw of the new stadium plan? If we asked the question, the stock answer would probably be 'working hard behind the scenes' Bit like the 7 dwarfs, busy doing nothing.
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 29, 2018 18:45:44 GMT
I'm sure he's not doing nothing. We will have to be patient to see what he's doing. What ever he's working on, wouldn't have been done this quickly. 1500 piece jigsaw of the new stadium plan? If we asked the question, the stock answer would probably be 'working hard behind the scenes' Bit like the 7 dwarfs, busy doing nothing. So you guess. But when Wael was meeting Macron abroad, people were jumping the gun and saying he does not like us anymore, as he was attending a champions League game. Not long after we had a 20% sell on all Macron goods. Easier for a lot to moan and say that they are doing nothing though. Just because we don't know what they are doing, does not mean that are doing nothing. That could be the case, but why employ a CEO to do nothing?? The same people say, Hani won't spend any money and he's tight. The two don't go hand in hand. It's he tight?? Or does he waste money on People to do nothing???
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 18:58:20 GMT
IN all day long.. never seen the playing budget as healthy, we have a better set up than ever before (coaches) academy etc... It’s the management that are letting down the owners. ?? The playing budget is poor and that's considering we've sold players for decent prices. Yes the set up is great, but what's the point in trying to get the academy setup right and all the off-field additions if they're not going to support the first team as much? New guy from Plymouth must be on similar to SH, has he even done anything since arriving? London office etc. Both must come close to 350K a year. Wasted money that could be better used in the transfer budget. I've always been of the mind that they never had the money for the stadium and another poster came up with a theory that the aim was to buy a club cheaply and use a model of promoting from within via a development squad to evolve the playing side in a 'sustainable' way. The more that time passes the more that those two viewpoints make a lot of sense- so perhaps the point all along was to improve the HR infrastrcucture while grooming the dev team to be the main source of playing talent so no big expenditure has to be made on the playing side....they just didn't tell us that to start with because hey, who wants to water all over the honeymoon period?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 19:01:51 GMT
Taylor - signed on a free as a FGR reject Bodin - signed on a free as a Torquay reject Harrison - turned a brat child into a great striker Leadbitter - singed on a free as a Hereford reject J. Clarke - Was at Woking Sinclair - signed on a free from Salisbury Lines - signed on a free as a Port Vale reject Sercombe - signed from Oxford Partington - signed from Eastleigh Just off the top of my head - clearly DC ruined all of them too! Jesus. DC brought in every player apart from Lockyer, Harrison, Brown & Ollie Clark (off the top of my head) that took us from the conference to L1. So I don't buy that his signings have been appalling where there is expectation. People can't have it both ways - some say "DC did what was expected in the Conference so its nothing special" - then you get "DC has proved he is appalling at bringing in any players where there is expectation" - well you can't have both, so which is it? DC has proved that he brought in a winning team that had incredible expectations, much higher than they are now! I'm not saying DC's recruitment has been perfect this season, it hasn't - but you post is clutching at straws to say the least. Nichols was hated at Peterborough. Payne was the only player who Shrewsbury fans actually said "I'm not bothered about him leaving at all" Rodman - i'll agree, but these things are called form - you may of may not have heard of it McBurnie - you cant even compare a youth player on loan ffs The problem with the list of players that you have quoted is that, with the exception of Sercombe (and maybe Partington, cos I'm not sure of my dates) they were not signed as league 1 players. They were either already at the club or brought in before we got out of league 2. With the exception of Sercombe I don't think DC has signed anyone in league 1 that has delivered for us. That is either because he can't spot a decent player for toffee or his style of play is crap and decent players can't or don't want to buy into it. I think it's a bit of both but I personally have never liked his style of play and I have commented about it a number of times on this forum.
Defend from the back rather than the front Give up territory when we lose possession and retreat into our own half Play it out wide when totally unnecessary when there is a direct, defence splitting pass which would be better Get wide men to fire in crosses to a front line who can barely head the ball
I know we got away with things in the Conference and league 2 due to a combination of facing poorer teams and having hungry players who had been let go by other clubs but his style of play has been sussed in league 1 resulting in a lower finish each year. Any team in our division knows how to play against us. It doesn't matter what the formation is, the basic model of football is the same and it's getting slower, more boring and ever more predictable. We don't have the players anymore that are prepared to put the extra effort in to try and make it work.
That's my view, anyway.
He seems to be changing things at half time a lot which suggests that his prediction about how to win the game from the start is flawed- lends credence to thw idea that other managers know how to play against a DC side.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 19:43:06 GMT
Nichols, top scorer for Peterborough the season before he joined us (DC has ruined him) Payne, a shadow of the player last season... Rodman.. a shadow of the player he was terrific last season.. Mcburnie couldn’t even get a game for us and is now starting championship games... DC has proved he is appalling at bringing in any players where there is expectation. Out he goes tada thanks for the memories though Taylor - signed on a free as a FGR reject Bodin - signed on a free as a Torquay reject Harrison - turned a brat child into a great striker Leadbitter - singed on a free as a Hereford reject J. Clarke - Was at Woking Sinclair - signed on a free from Salisbury Lines - signed on a free as a Port Vale reject Sercombe - signed from Oxford Partington - signed from Eastleigh Just off the top of my head - clearly DC ruined all of them too! Jesus. DC brought in every player apart from Lockyer, Harrison, Brown & Ollie Clark (off the top of my head) that took us from the conference to L1. So I don't buy that his signings have been appalling where there is expectation. People can't have it both ways - some say "DC did what was expected in the Conference so its nothing special" - then you get "DC has proved he is appalling at bringing in any players where there is expectation" - well you can't have both, so which is it? DC has proved that he brought in a winning team that had incredible expectations, much higher than they are now! I'm not saying DC's recruitment has been perfect this season, it hasn't - but you post is clutching at straws to say the least. Nichols was hated at Peterborough. Payne was the only player who Shrewsbury fans actually said "I'm not bothered about him leaving at all" Rodman - i'll agree, but these things are called form - you may of may not have heard of it McBurnie - you cant even compare a youth player on loan ffs Thanks...saved me a job of typing the same!
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 29, 2018 19:53:48 GMT
?? The playing budget is poor and that's considering we've sold players for decent prices. Yes the set up is great, but what's the point in trying to get the academy setup right and all the off-field additions if they're not going to support the first team as much? New guy from Plymouth must be on similar to SH, has he even done anything since arriving? London office etc. Both must come close to 350K a year. Wasted money that could be better used in the transfer budget. I've always been of the mind that they never had the money for the stadium and another poster came up with a theory that the aim was to buy a club cheaply and use a model of promoting from within via a development squad to evolve the playing side in a 'sustainable' way. The more that time passes the more that those two viewpoints make a lot of sense- so perhaps the point all along was to improve the HR infrastrcucture while grooming the dev team to be the main source of playing talent so no big expenditure has to be made on the playing side....they just didn't tell us that to start with because hey, who wants to water all over the honeymoon period? If that theory is correct they wasted an hell of a lot on Currah & co's wages! I sense the plan was to get the stadium land at a bargain price/low lease but the UWE wouldn't play ball.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 29, 2018 19:56:24 GMT
Wael is gonna pull a rabbit out of his hat 🎩 🐇
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 29, 2018 20:19:59 GMT
1500 piece jigsaw of the new stadium plan? If we asked the question, the stock answer would probably be 'working hard behind the scenes' Bit like the 7 dwarfs, busy doing nothing. So you guess. But when Wael was meeting Macron abroad, people were jumping the gun and saying he does not like us anymore, as he was attending a champions League game. Not long after we had a 20% sell on all Macron goods. Easier for a lot to moan and say that they are doing nothing though. Just because we don't know what they are doing, does not mean that are doing nothing. That could be the case, but why employ a CEO to do nothing?? The same people say, Hani won't spend any money and he's tight. The two don't go hand in hand. It's he tight?? Or does he waste money on People to do nothing??? Yes guessing, as like everyone on here I know absolutely nothing of what's going on. Always been positive towards the board, especially when the rumours were rife on here about not paying bills & UWE being dead long before it was announced, despite them saying landing lights are on, we are still negotiating etc etc. The way they announced the UWE decision which was as unprofessional as it gets, started to change my opinion of them. It was cemented by SH memorable interview the following day, & Wael's nonsense about regeneration of the Mem shortly after, with all the people on board with loads of experience in building 12 stadiums! Then what about the Colony, SH gaff at the start giving a ridiculous date of when it would be in use, then appointing the firm from Cheltenham, then in March stating PP would be sought in 6-8 weeks to appease fans, & all the time they knew the PP was nothing to do with the training side but a couple of bungalows or a barn or something, which was half arsed at best. Then wheeling SH out again to say the cost had trebbled. They are spending money yes, but whether they spend wisely or waste it, they are protecting that money by a charge against the Mem, what happens when there is no more equity? IMO I think Wael wanted a plaything & the family saw a good opportunity to make money for themselves & investors. When UWE wouldn't play ball it watered on their chips & ours! As SH has said, apart from Wael, they have no interest in football. Will still support the team, but I am as indifferent about them now as I am of the prospect of sitting in a new stadium, I believe it when I am sat in it.
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