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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 12, 2018 9:40:37 GMT
Get the infrastructure right, that is the training ground and stadium, on a sustainable footing with community hiring projects and non match day revenue supporting the repayments. Strong youth and development ethos with coaches. Tie in with universities and higher education establishments with unconditional offers for scholars not taken on. Centralised accommodation for team building. Regular Q&As with fans. Quid a kid offers and build up relationships with local schools. Look to get involvement in the wider region, not just North and East Bristol. Do some international liaising to build on our unique brand (e.g. the quarters, Pirates connection, the US team who used our logo, Sabadell, etc). I wouldn't look to "buy" success until the above is in place. I think I want you on my board 😁
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 12, 2018 9:41:36 GMT
Get the infrastructure right, that is the training ground and stadium, on a sustainable footing with community hiring projects and non match day revenue supporting the repayments. Strong youth and development ethos with coaches. Tie in with universities and higher education establishments with unconditional offers for scholars not taken on. Centralised accommodation for team building. Regular Q&As with fans. Quid a kid offers and build up relationships with local schools. Look to get involvement in the wider region, not just North and East Bristol. Do some international liaising to build on our unique brand (e.g. the quarters, Pirates connection, the US team who used our logo, Sabadell, etc). I wouldn't look to "buy" success until the above is in place. I think I want you on my board 😁 How much will you have to pay him, though?
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 12, 2018 9:47:24 GMT
I think I want you on my board 😁 How much will you have to pay him, though? He's free. No paid NEDs in Utopia.
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 12, 2018 9:53:51 GMT
Make sure the club is run sustainably, ie. not losing millions of pounds every year that is building up debt and puts the club's future at risk. Spend to your means, no matter what level you're at. If you have a good cup run, then spend the money sensibly. If you sell a player for a good profit, then spend the money sensibly. Do not spend the money in the hope that these things will happen, and leave yourself in the sh*t when they don't. But bristol city are - £100m over the last several years and bristol rovers - £8m approx in recent years. And thats why they are miles ahead of us and have much better players. Other examples are plenty in clubs like bournemouth and brentford. The moral of the story seems to be run at a massive loss but get your owner to write it off and you will achieve success. There is merit in the sustainable theory but your automatically at a disadvantage if others are prepared to spend money over and above their income imo. Exceptions known to me burton,shrewsbury and walsall. Not sure if any successful medium to smaller clubs are truly sustainable? I suspect most of us are suggesting that Sustainability is the key unless you have someone who is genuinely happy and able to inject 'free' unattached money into the club. Even if you find such a great situation then you can still run a club in a decent way, rather than just chuck money at players - more Leicester than Bolton.
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Post by Severncider on Dec 12, 2018 9:57:48 GMT
If I won £70m+ on the lottery I sure as hell would not buy a football club.
No matter how much you spent "supporters" always want to spend your money buying the impossible dream.
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 12, 2018 10:09:39 GMT
If I won £70m+ on the lottery I sure as hell would not buy a football club. No matter how much you spent "supporters" always want to spend your money buying the impossible dream. Not all clubs all over the world have that issue. Anyway, a good leader and a good structure will manage that problem to some degree, possibly a high degree.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 12, 2018 10:47:25 GMT
I would bring back the Blue Flames
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 12, 2018 10:55:47 GMT
Sounds great on paper, but what if you are up against similar clubs who do spend beyond their means? You can't pay the same wages as them, so eventually you get relegated, income drops, so you make cuts, so you get relegated again, you have to make more cuts... Unless you have so much money that you can make big capital investments, football ownership these days is a mug's game. But how have so many relatively poor / small clubs not been relegated (including our own in the mid/late 80s and actually went on to amazing success)? Because they got something very right, be it the mgr, coaches, style of play, youth system, loans, supporter involvement / tkt sales, whatever... It is being done all the time. Finding the method & sustaining it is the trick That was 30 years ago, there was a much smaller difference between clubs and divisions in terms of spending. The game has changed.
You say it's being done all the time, but I can't think of any clubs that have outperformed their budget over a sustained period in the last 10 years. Clubs sometimes do for 2, 3 years, but any more than that and it all comes crashing down.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 12, 2018 11:05:07 GMT
Get the infrastructure right, that is the training ground and stadium, on a sustainable footing with community hiring projects and non match day revenue supporting the repayments. Strong youth and development ethos with coaches. Tie in with universities and higher education establishments with unconditional offers for scholars not taken on. Centralised accommodation for team building. Regular Q&As with fans. Quid a kid offers and build up relationships with local schools. Look to get involvement in the wider region, not just North and East Bristol. Do some international liaising to build on our unique brand (e.g. the quarters, Pirates connection, the US team who used our logo, Sabadell, etc). I wouldn't look to "buy" success until the above is in place. Sounds great. But it's the first part of your manifesto that's the hard bit.
We need what, 50, 60 million to build a championship level stadium and training ground. Let's say we did that, got promoted and brought in an extra 10000 fans each game. That's about £200k a game, less expenses and tax probably £120k profit. 30 games (with cups) = £3.6m a year. So ignoring the fact that our player budget would have to increase (I'll assume TV and non-match day revenue etc takes care of that), it would take 14 years to 17 years to return that investment.
With the risk involved, who's going to be happy with forking out that much, tying up £60m in assets with very low liquidity, and not getting a return on investment for 17 years minimum?
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Post by gasbath on Dec 12, 2018 11:59:24 GMT
I would bring back the Blue Flames
They would love it now on our carpet of a pitch whereas before doing a high kick and slipping on the mud quire on their backsides
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Post by Jomo on Dec 12, 2018 12:06:15 GMT
Get the infrastructure right, that is the training ground and stadium, on a sustainable footing with community hiring projects and non match day revenue supporting the repayments. Strong youth and development ethos with coaches. Tie in with universities and higher education establishments with unconditional offers for scholars not taken on. Centralised accommodation for team building. Regular Q&As with fans. Quid a kid offers and build up relationships with local schools. Look to get involvement in the wider region, not just North and East Bristol. Do some international liaising to build on our unique brand (e.g. the quarters, Pirates connection, the US team who used our logo, Sabadell, etc). I wouldn't look to "buy" success until the above is in place. Sounds great. But it's the first part of your manifesto that's the hard bit.
We need what, 50, 60 million to build a championship level stadium and training ground. Let's say we did that, got promoted and brought in an extra 10000 fans each game. That's about £200k a game, less expenses and tax probably £120k profit. 30 games (with cups) = £3.6m a year. So ignoring the fact that our player budget would have to increase (I'll assume TV and non-match day revenue etc takes care of that), it would take 14 years to 17 years to return that investment.
With the risk involved, who's going to be happy with forking out that much, tying up £60m in assets with very low liquidity, and not getting a return on investment for 17 years minimum?
Great post, and sadly highlights that football clubs in League One and up, 99.9% of the time cannot feasibly be sustainable and compete at the same time. This is the challenge facing the AlQs and it seems to me that they didn't do their homework in assessing that this is where football is at these days. That's the problem I have with them. They had to be more prepared when purchasing the club.
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Post by titchthephot on Dec 12, 2018 12:19:03 GMT
One idea I would consider is to make payment for all Primary school children (and under) cash free but they would have to pay with non perishable food (tin of beans, tin of soup etc) This food would then be given to Bristols homeless. Getting the youngsters in would also ensure future fans - based on the idea that usually the first professional team you see is the team you will follow for life. The kudos and publicity for Rovers would put us in a better place and, with all the good publicity, attract more players to the Mem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 12:20:25 GMT
I would bring back the Blue Flames I'm sure Big Jock can supply some "Blue" flames!!!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 12, 2018 12:21:16 GMT
One idea I would consider is to make payment for all Primary school children (and under) cash free but they would have to pay with non perishable food (tin of beans, tin of soup etc) This food would then be given to Bristols homeless. Getting the youngsters in would also ensure future fans - based on the idea that usually the first professional team you see is the team you will follow for life. The kudos and publicity for Rovers would put us in a better place and, with all the good publicity, attract more players to the Mem. Or they have to bring a striker or a two-footed winger with them.
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Post by baggins on Dec 12, 2018 13:12:37 GMT
If I was super rich I would be a total megalomaniac about it. I'd name a stand after myself and I'd do a Jack Walker and buy unsustainable success. I would not bother to communicate with fans. I would do cheap kids tickets. Good thread. Who the hell would want to sit in the Hugo Stand?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 12, 2018 13:22:32 GMT
If I was super rich I would be a total megalomaniac about it. I'd name a stand after myself and I'd do a Jack Walker and buy unsustainable success. I would not bother to communicate with fans. I would do cheap kids tickets. Good thread. Who the hell would want to sit in the Hugo Stand? You're banned.
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 12, 2018 13:30:04 GMT
If I was super rich I would be a total megalomaniac about it. I'd name a stand after myself and I'd do a Jack Walker and buy unsustainable success. I would not bother to communicate with fans. I would do cheap kids tickets. Good thread. Who the hell would want to sit in the Hugo Stand? surely the problem would be for those who sit ON Hugo's Stand?
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Post by baggins on Dec 12, 2018 13:30:50 GMT
Who the hell would want to sit in the Hugo Stand? surely the problem would be for those who sit ON Hugo's Stand? That's a different thread.
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 12, 2018 13:33:48 GMT
Get the infrastructure right, that is the training ground and stadium, on a sustainable footing with community hiring projects and non match day revenue supporting the repayments. Strong youth and development ethos with coaches. Tie in with universities and higher education establishments with unconditional offers for scholars not taken on. Centralised accommodation for team building. Regular Q&As with fans. Quid a kid offers and build up relationships with local schools. Look to get involvement in the wider region, not just North and East Bristol. Do some international liaising to build on our unique brand (e.g. the quarters, Pirates connection, the US team who used our logo, Sabadell, etc). I wouldn't look to "buy" success until the above is in place. Sounds great. But it's the first part of your manifesto that's the hard bit.
We need what, 50, 60 million to build a championship level stadium and training ground. Let's say we did that, got promoted and brought in an extra 10000 fans each game. That's about £200k a game, less expenses and tax probably £120k profit. 30 games (with cups) = £3.6m a year. So ignoring the fact that our player budget would have to increase (I'll assume TV and non-match day revenue etc takes care of that), it would take 14 years to 17 years to return that investment.
With the risk involved, who's going to be happy with forking out that much, tying up £60m in assets with very low liquidity, and not getting a return on investment for 17 years minimum?
Just FYI, 'prize' money just for being in the Championship is circa £6m a year (compared to not much over £1m for Lge 1 and just under a £1m for Lge 2) . Add the new TV deal in and the gap is getting pretty wide. The Championship is clearly the place to be.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 12, 2018 13:37:37 GMT
If I won £70m+ on the lottery I sure as hell would not buy a football club. No matter how much you spent "supporters" always want to spend your money buying the impossible dream. Agreed, but you could build the infrastructure and live off the interest rather than let it sit in the bank. No direct football commitment there.
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