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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 14, 2018 7:43:38 GMT
Sad thing is whoever we end up with will most likely be a journeyman (or yes man). All well and good mentioning names like Warburton but look at the clubs he’s been at... Why the f**k would any manager worth their salt come to us. We literally are going to end up like DC said in his last few interviews, a yo-yo club between leagues 2 and 1. Why would any decent manager want to restrict themselves to that? Especially given our infrastructure, even clubs like Fleetwood (much in the same boat as us level wise, as painful as that is) have a much nicer stadium and training ground. Clubs like Mansfield are building, Swindon, the list is endless. We are in real trouble unless some improvements happen off the pitch never mind on it. Warburton was a total disaster at glasgow rangers and nottm forest so i hope its not him. Got Rangers promoted back to the SPL and then was given no time to build a side to challenge Celtic, they’ve hardly been top of the league since either. Stabilised Forest after 2 seasons of being relegation fodder and sacked him when they were mid-table. Hardly a total disaster. |
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Post by lympstonegas on Dec 14, 2018 7:45:15 GMT
Stupid Wishful thinking I know but it is Christmas time. Nigel Clough would be a great fit.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 14, 2018 7:50:33 GMT
I have never had a problem with direct football myself,neil warnock has 8 promotions with that style albeit his teams usually have very good wide players. With cotterill he did a great at cheltenham and i have never known a bristol team dominate a division like city did when they won league one under him. Some people like barcelona tippy tappy but i prefer the liverpool style of early chance taking passes to fast forwards at the highest level. At our level i would love to see us get the ball up front early and play around it,especially if we followed the warnock pattern and used width to good effect. I don't particularly have a problem with 'direct' football if it is applied in a certain way, your Liverpool point is what I mean by that. I would call that 'direct' rather than 'long ball'. The Bergkamp goal for the Netherlands against Argentina in the 98 World was one of the most direct goals you will ever see, but at the same time one of the best and classiest goals you could find. Some of Warnock sides have often played quite direct, but also progressive football with wingers as you have said. I think he has sometimes got unfairly tagged as a long ball merchant and it's an easy and lazy tag to label him with. His results and success speak for themselves. I like a combination of so called 'tippy tappy' and a more 'direct' approach where needed. It's about finding the right balance for me. As for Cotterill his success at Cheltenham was over 16 years ago and his Bristol City side included breaking their transfer record at the time to sign Agard (about 800k) and spending 500k on Luke Freeman. There were other significant deals too. I'm not as against his appointment as some, but he wouldn't be my choice. Aaron Wilbraham and Korey Smith as well as James Tavernier on loan. Quality of players we can only dream about. |
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Post by orgasmic on Dec 14, 2018 8:03:46 GMT
There are so many threads to post my ramblings in so have chosen this one. My problem with sacking DC now is who follows. Firstly, they don't seem to have a specific target in mind. This seems bonkers to me as it's been clear to all for a while things aren't going well. The powers that be should have had someone lined up for this eventuality imo. Secondly, if they're waiting on applications who the hell is going to apply?! It's now public knowledge that the board have failed to deliver on promises made to DC, have provided dates for infrastructure changes but not met them, that there is boardroom unrest between the CEO and Chairman and that the playing/training facilities are unlikely to improve anytime soon. The only type of manager that applies for that sort of position is either on the way down career wise or desperate. Either way probably not the sort of manager you want to take over during a relegation battle. From what the board have delivered on so far I genuinely worry about this appointment. I just hope they find investment/a buyer with more ambition/desire to invest soon or this could be a slippery slope!
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Post by blueridge on Dec 14, 2018 8:09:30 GMT
There are so many threads to post my ramblings in so have chosen this one. My problem with sacking DC now is who follows. Firstly, they don't seem to have a specific target in mind. This seems bonkers to me as it's been clear to all for a while things aren't going well. The powers that be should have had someone lined up for this eventuality imo. Secondly, if they're waiting on applications who the hell is going to apply?! It's now public knowledge that the board have failed to deliver on promises made to DC, have provided dates for infrastructure changes but not met them, that there is boardroom unrest between the CEO and Chairman and that the playing/training facilities are unlikely to improve anytime soon. The only type of manager that applies for that sort of position is either on the way down career wise or desperate. Either way probably not the sort of manager you want to take over during a relegation battle. From what the board have delivered on so far I genuinely worry about this appointment. I just hope they find investment/a buyer with more ambition/desire to invest soon or this could be a slippery slope! It wouldn't surprise me if they have someone lined up - there're just going through 'the process'. Personally I don't think it will be SC. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 14, 2018 8:11:41 GMT
The board don't have a clue.
The fact they're going to sit back to see who applies is just shocking.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 14, 2018 8:18:47 GMT
The board don't have a clue. The fact they're going to sit back to see who applies is just shocking. We've got an ex Plymouth CEO and an ex Swansea Chairman on the Board so you'd hope they do know what they are doing. They could be just playing for time to see how the players react to Coughlin/Hargreaves bring in charge on Saturday, have somebody lined up for next week or just going though the recruitment process as they've suggested. |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 14, 2018 8:19:21 GMT
Why all the "not Cotterill comments" is it just because he managed Bristol Sport 1982 ltd that share their ground with the Bears? He made a comment about "Rag ass Rovers" whilst managing City, plus in general he seems to have got a reputation as a bit of a twat and has a poor temperament characterised by his interview style which is very ungracious and disagreeable. blokes a disrespectful knob. Don't really want that here. I don't really care about anyone having managed City personally, the man (or woman) themselves is more important, but if SC came in and didn't turn anything around The City connection and his general attitude would be a recipe for disaster here |
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Post by orgasmic on Dec 14, 2018 8:36:06 GMT
There are so many threads to post my ramblings in so have chosen this one. My problem with sacking DC now is who follows. Firstly, they don't seem to have a specific target in mind. This seems bonkers to me as it's been clear to all for a while things aren't going well. The powers that be should have had someone lined up for this eventuality imo. Secondly, if they're waiting on applications who the hell is going to apply?! It's now public knowledge that the board have failed to deliver on promises made to DC, have provided dates for infrastructure changes but not met them, that there is boardroom unrest between the CEO and Chairman and that the playing/training facilities are unlikely to improve anytime soon. The only type of manager that applies for that sort of position is either on the way down career wise or desperate. Either way probably not the sort of manager you want to take over during a relegation battle. From what the board have delivered on so far I genuinely worry about this appointment. I just hope they find investment/a buyer with more ambition/desire to invest soon or this could be a slippery slope! It wouldn't surprise me if they have someone lined up - there're just going through 'the process'. Personally I don't think it will be SC. If they have someone lined up it will happen before Xmas as they would have sounded them out first. If not it will be post Xmas. We'll soon find out! |
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 14, 2018 8:37:01 GMT
The board don't have a clue. The fact they're going to sit back to see who applies is just shocking. We've got an ex Plymouth CEO and an ex Swansea Chairman on the Board so you'd hope they do know what they are doing. They could be just playing for time to see how the players react to Coughlin/Hargreaves bring in charge on Saturday, have somebody lined up for next week or just going though the recruitment process as they've suggested. i rkn someone is lined up and they will be appointed after the snowball fight on Saturday |
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Post by LJG on Dec 14, 2018 8:42:00 GMT
Be on to the shop tomorrow to get my half season ticket, boy how I have missed the mem I hope they laugh. Tell you to f**k off then hang up. |
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Post by tomylil on Dec 14, 2018 8:42:36 GMT
He made a comment about "Rag ass Rovers" whilst managing City, plus in general he seems to have got a reputation as a bit of a twat and has a poor temperament characterised by his interview style which is very ungracious and disagreeable. blokes a disrespectful knob. Don't really want that here. I don't really care about anyone having managed City personally, the man (or woman) themselves is more important, but if SC came in and didn't turn anything around The City connection and his general attitude would be a recipe for disaster here I don't think there is any danger that Cotterell will come to us - why would he ? He must still be paid a fortune by Birmingham and coming to us would be professional suicide as he is surely after (and merits) a far better job than one offered by the fake sheik. The club will run this season with the caretaker and see where that leads us. You never know, he may have a better relationship with the players so they might all fight harder for the cause If league 2 beckons then a successful season there would see a packed Mem and possibly earn the Offensive who own and run the club more money than clinging on to life in league 1. I think it is fair to say we are royally f**ked at this moment and I can't believe Wael thought Marcus would walk.. |
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Post by madgas on Dec 14, 2018 8:46:16 GMT
Personally- id like Mark Cooper.
I think he might “fit” the system utilising loans a bit better.
He’s got a fair track record. Plays attractive football- knows the area.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 14, 2018 8:51:34 GMT
blokes a disrespectful knob. Don't really want that here. I don't really care about anyone having managed City personally, the man (or woman) themselves is more important, but if SC came in and didn't turn anything around The City connection and his general attitude would be a recipe for disaster here I don't think there is any danger that Cotterell will come to us - why would he ? He must still be paid a fortune by Birmingham and coming to us would be professional suicide as he is surely after (and merits) a far better job than one offered by the fake sheik. The club will run this season with the caretaker and see where that leads us. You never know, he may have a better relationship with the players so they might all fight harder for the cause If league 2 beckons then a successful season there would see a packed Mem and possibly earn the Offensive who own and run the club more money than clinging on to life in league 1. I think it is fair to say we are royally f**ked at this moment and I can't believe Wael thought Marcus would walk.. The things is it's known that Cotterill has been seen at Rovers games and now seems the Evening Post are prepping the ground for his arrival |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 8:55:52 GMT
If Cotterill comes in that will feel like the end of days. A Ted who won "the double" with them and took the p*ss out of us the whole time. Are we supposed to just forgive and forget the rag-ass rovers comment?
How did he perform with the press and their fans towards the end, spitting and getting aggressive I seem to remember? That sort of behavior may well make you a leader among the toad-people that follow the red side, but it's so far removed from what we're about.
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Dec 14, 2018 9:08:44 GMT
I feel groundhog day coming here with a Buckle/McGoo cycle returning!! This is what I fear most - and this is what I fear will happen. |
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 14, 2018 9:12:17 GMT
Whoever takes over whether we like him or not we must at least give him a chance. To be fair he probably wasn't far off with Rag Ass Rovers.At the present time I would settle for anybody who can get us winning a few games again - it has become that desperate because our record this season has been diabolical and we have lost to some bloody awful opposition.
My only hope is the appointment will be made sooner rather than later so the new Manager has a fair chance to see what he has here which I don't feel is as bad as some make out. There are some good players and I hope very much that it is a case of they just haven't felt part of the team with being in and out.
Players don't become bad players overnight and if Paynr, Rodman,Reilly, Jacubiak, Upson and some others can get back to pre Bristol Rovers form then we could have the basis of a good side with the right man in charge. For me the new players brought in just didn't fit in with the way DC has always set us up and hopefully whoever is appointed will play a more attacking game.
I really don't care if the new man is crap at Interviews if he delivers on the pitch.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 14, 2018 9:22:02 GMT
Whoever takes over whether we like him or not we must at least give him a chance. To be fair he probably wasn't far off with Rag Ass Rovers.At the present time I would settle for anybody who can get us winning a few games again - it has become that desperate because our record this season has been diabolical and we have lost to some bloody awful opposition. My only hope is the appointment will be made sooner rather than later so the new Manager has a fair chance to see what he has here which I don't feel is as bad as some make out. There are some good players and I hope very much that it is a case of they just haven't felt part of the team with being in and out. Players don't become bad players overnight and if Paynr, Rodman,Reilly, Jacubiak, Upson and some others can get back to pre Bristol Rovers form then we could have the basis of a good side with the right man in charge. For me the new players brought in just didn't fit in with the way DC has always set us up and hopefully whoever is appointed will play a more attacking game. I really don't care if the new man is crap at Interviews if he delivers on the pitch. I agree - I said earlier that we've had a poor team but we don't necessarily have a complete set of poor players. IMO we need just three new players - a RB - a tall dominant (experienced) CB and a big dominant CF who leads the line. The rest will fall into place. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 9:40:24 GMT
If it was Cotterill and he has been on the fringes then why is he not being announced today? DC left on Monday after all so the vacancy is 5 days old already. Starnes said it would take til after Christmas so it sounds like they don't have any sort of immediate plan.
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Post by neilv93 on Dec 14, 2018 9:41:08 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, if we're going to be shopping in the free agency market then it has to be Paul Hurst. He has shot above par wherever he's been up until Ipswich this season, which was probably admittedly a step too far too soon but his record in L1 and below is very good. Plus, he signed Ellis to clearly has a good eye for a striker!!
Cotterill didn't bother me too much - he's got a record of getting out of this division - however the comments about his persona, character and the fact that the atmosphere at the Mem would toxify VERY quickly if things didn't go our way wouldn't be ideal. I'd stay clear personally.
I'd LOVE us to take a punt on an up-and-comer of the Mike Flynn ilk. Or even further afield like Daryl McMahon or some of the excellent suggestions pirate has been mentioning but I don't think our board have the balls/know-how to do that. That said, if we're going to be rebuilding in L2 then why not give an untested but high-potential young boss the opportunity?
Finally, NO chance whatsoever we get Cowley or Warburton. The Lincoln brothers have been linked with Championship jobs and will be in a higher league than us next season and the latter is being touted for the FA Sporting Director role.
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