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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 18, 2018 9:41:27 GMT
That's just my take on it but we shouldn't rewrite history by stating as fact we have sacked our manager. Well, I think it's common knowledge on here: DC was sacked. Dwane pulled out of the UWE deal coz they have no money even though it was a brilliant deal. Dwane aren't putting any money into the club. The budget is being cut by £1M next year. The board want us to be relegated to save money. These all may as well be facts. I suppose a forum is about opinions and that's what generates discussion. As I said I haven't seen any evidence to suggest DC was sacked. As for the other items you raised they're also opinions which are based on assumptions, not facts that I've seen. I would welcome the opportunity to view the facts that prove what you say. I don't disagree with you by the way, just would be interested to read where these assumptions are confirmed.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 18, 2018 9:45:02 GMT
Well, I think it's common knowledge on here: DC was sacked. Dwane pulled out of the UWE deal coz they have no money even though it was a brilliant deal. Dwane aren't putting any money into the club. The budget is being cut by £1M next year. The board want us to be relegated to save money. These all may as well be facts. I suppose a forum is about opinions and that's what generates discussion. As I said I haven't seen any evidence to suggest DC was sacked. As for the other items you raised they're also opinions which are based on assumptions, not facts that I've seen. I would welcome the opportunity to view the facts that prove what you say. I don't disagree with you by the way, just would be interested to read where these assumptions are confirmed. Well, for the record, I don't think any of them are true. But they're all things that have been stated as fact (without evidence) over the past few days.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Dec 18, 2018 9:58:12 GMT
The best manager in our clubs modern history. Will go down as the man who saved us in our darkest hour.
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Post by lpgas on Dec 18, 2018 11:00:00 GMT
The best manager in our clubs modern history. Will go down as the man who saved us in our darkest hour. You make him sound like Churchill!
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Post by splitter on Dec 18, 2018 11:12:49 GMT
The best manager in our clubs modern history. Will go down as the man who saved us in our darkest hour. You make him sound like Churchill! And let's not forget, despite saving us in our darkest hour, Churchill lost the 1945 general election. The past is the past, sometimes you are judged on the now. Tough decisions have to be made.
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 18, 2018 11:20:12 GMT
I suppose a forum is about opinions and that's what generates discussion. As I said I haven't seen any evidence to suggest DC was sacked. As for the other items you raised they're also opinions which are based on assumptions, not facts that I've seen. I would welcome the opportunity to view the facts that prove what you say. I don't disagree with you by the way, just would be interested to read where these assumptions are confirmed. Well, for the record, I don't think any of them are true. But they're all things that have been stated as fact (without evidence) over the past few days. Ah got you now, sorry a bit slow there.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Dec 18, 2018 12:05:55 GMT
The best manager in our clubs modern history. Will go down as the man who saved us in our darkest hour. You make him sound like Churchill! Churchill was a drunk racist.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 18, 2018 12:14:19 GMT
Whether you class it as "sacked" or not it's fairly obvious board were happy for him to depart or they would have simply told him he was under contract so he couldn't just walkout. One stat not mentioned so far is for 3(?) seasons we had the best home record in league football, given the majority of us mainly watch home games then that era is probably the best most of us have will ever seen, results wise. I sense GF's good spell as manager was over a shorter period of a season or two at the most? Megson's was certainly just the one season, our promotion year.
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Post by Icegas on Dec 18, 2018 12:20:50 GMT
How good was he..?
Two promotions,and saved our club when we were on life support in football terms by his love for this club.
Simply the best and most important manager in the history of our club.
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Post by northoftheriver on Dec 18, 2018 12:26:44 GMT
DC was a good manager and by luck on NH part was a very good fit to the task at hand. Very large budget and club for the conference but managed that and the expectation very well and we fully deserved to go up. The secret to the league 2 season was momentum and he did a great job again, didn't change the squad much and fell on his feet with BB (luck he deserved). League One and the selling on key players, has found, in my opinion his weak side. Cant sign good players for that standard on a budget and maybe poor choices on the players let go too. On top of that he has come up short on tatics, he has been out thought by managers at this level and failed at the ability to win/grind points in matches.
A legend= yes
Best manager ever = not fore me but remember his first league football role. He can be very proud of his time IMO.
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Post by philbemmygas on Dec 18, 2018 12:27:12 GMT
You make him sound like Churchill! Churchill was a drunk racist. In those days it wasn't classed as racism; that is how history has evolved! A classic example is the Scots allegedly banning "Gingerbread Men"; times change although not necessarily for the better
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 18, 2018 12:34:12 GMT
You make him sound like Churchill! Churchill was a drunk racist. Perhaps, but we would have been b******* without him! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 18, 2018 12:36:59 GMT
How good was he..? Two promotions,and saved our club when we were on life support in football terms by his love for this club. Simply the best and most important manager in the history of our club. Completely agree icegas. Exactly this in a nutshell. UTG!
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Post by toddy1953 on Dec 18, 2018 13:13:53 GMT
I think DC was the best. Getting us out of Non League at the first attempt was exceptional. I hoped for a consolidation year after that & he delivered again. He stabilised us in the first season back in L1 & if we were able to hang on to the snake who knows what might have happened. As well as having those 3 great seasons, he built a fantastic rapport with the fans , through his loyalty, understanding & hard work - at the end of each season he looked absolutely drained. He put the club on a really good footing playing wise, the fans behind him & he committed his future to us. Unfortunately he got taken in, like a lot if people, by the owners who obviously only had one plan & that went tits up. There are some who never forgave him for being at the helm when we went down & claimed he was lucky to get the promotions. Each to his own, but I would have him back in a heartbeat
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Post by toddy1953 on Dec 18, 2018 13:18:17 GMT
In non league and league 2 he was a top man but unfortunately he could not cut it in league 1 , Garbage, had we not sold the snake we could have made the play offs the first season back - we were as competitive as any other team in the top ten & it only went downhill when he had to replace his best players.
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Post by markczgas on Dec 18, 2018 13:48:36 GMT
In non league and league 2 he was a top man but unfortunately he could not cut it in league 1 , Garbage, had we not sold the snake we could have made the play offs the first season back - we were as competitive as any other team in the top ten & it only went downhill when he had to replace his best players. This is true. If taylor stayed we might have made the playoffs - but doubt very much we would've gone up. Losing Taylor, Bodin and Harrison was a big blow but as we have seen DC didn't even come close to replacing any of them - Nichols, Mensah and Payne. Trollope also couldn't replace Lambert and within a year or so he lost his job. Gerry Francis, if my memory serves me right - lost Penrice a season before we went up (to QPR) but incredibly still led us to the title. That's why he stood out for me plus the adversity of being at Twerton (and the very low crowds) with very little cash at his disposal.
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Post by baggins on Dec 18, 2018 14:07:59 GMT
Churchill was a drunk racist. In those days it wasn't classed as racism; that is how history has evolved! A classic example is the Scots allegedly banning "Gingerbread Men"; times change although not necessarily for the better Whatever happened to "Love thy Neighbour"?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 16:44:02 GMT
How good was he..? Two promotions,and saved our club when we were on life support in football terms by his love for this club. Simply the best and most important manager in the history of our club. Spot on. Absolutely spot on. And he connected with us in a way that probably only Gerry and Ollie did before him. I hope that he gets the send off he deserves on Saturday and his name is sung from the rafters. After that, we have to move on as it will do the club no good to be torn apart, but the man deserves one hell of a tribute first.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 17:05:01 GMT
You make him sound like Churchill! Churchill was a drunk racist. He also supported sterilising the poor and just letting the upper classes breed.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 18, 2018 18:10:41 GMT
I feel DC was great for the Club and his knowledge of the Conference when we were relegated really helped. Getting two promotions on the bounce was great but it may of just worked against him. If he had had a couple of seasons in EFL 2 it may just have given him that little bit of extra experience needed before being thrust into a much more competitive environment in EFL 1. Some of his players who were comfortable in League 2 were found wanting at the higher level. In addition to this some players were coming to the end of their careers. I felt he handled the latter badly when he told some players they were no longer needed although most stayed with the club until their contracts expired at the end of that season. I felt his handling of three stalwarts in particular- McChrystal, Easter and Mildenhall was disappointing.
The challenge he had then was to effectively rebuild a team after also losing some of his better players through transfers (which is part of the norm for lower league clubs anyway) and to compete at a level where he had had little experience and he was found wanting. The permanent players he brought in with the exception of Sercombe IMO have been fairly mediocre and as result he was always struggling with the players he had, to come up with a winning formulae. He had the 'bounce effect' with promotion in his first season in League 1 but he was quickly found out tactically by Managers more astute than him - the final nail for me was losing his talisman Bodin in January who could change the course of a match with a bit of brilliance - we no longer have that, where Bodin could change the fine lines from potentially losing a match to gaining a draw, or from drawing a match to gaining a narrow win, with his special goals - a vital ingredient and points lost. The results since then point to this, particularly the last 20 games or so of last season and of course this season.
A great Manager? - not for me, great for the club at the time - most definitely. Was he let down - there's an argument both ways on that one - certainly the irritation of the Training Ground not coming to fruition certainly made his frustrations come to the fore which on the face of it didn't help his relationship with the owners - so probably best that he should move on, gain from the experience and ultimately and hopefully become a better Manager for it.
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