Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 23:52:40 GMT
I find it weird that coughlan is getting stick for the style of football were playing. 10 points from four games in a short space of time is a remarkable achievement. Were in a relegation dogfight and the name of the game is scrapping for points anyway you can imo. Truth is our creative players have been mostly poor this season. Lines,bennett,sercombe, and matthews have been poor and coughlan's selections have reflected that.
|
|
|
Post by markczgas on Jan 3, 2019 0:10:27 GMT
I find it weird that coughlan is getting stick for the style of football were playing. 10 points from four games in a short space of time is a remarkable achievement. Were in a relegation dogfight and the name of the game is scrapping for points anyway you can imo. Truth is our creative players have been mostly poor this season. Lines,bennett,sercombe, and matthews have been poor and coughlan's selections have reflected that. Agree with all this apart from Sercombe. He's done well in a poor team and remember he missed about 6 games through injury.
|
|
|
Post by gasofsomerset on Jan 3, 2019 1:22:39 GMT
The football we played on Saturday was nothing like the performance against Sunderland, Walsall & Oxford which was positive attacking football mostly.
It was one of the worst performances I have seen from rovers in a while due to the pass pass hoof mentality. Something that hasn’t been part of the game plan up until then
|
|
|
Post by stevek192 on Jan 3, 2019 11:24:08 GMT
You are never going to get anything else as long as you have a midfield with Sinclair and Martin in it. Let's be honest Holmes-Dennis is a class player for this division who is capable of special things including crossing the ball and set pieces. Ollie Clarke suits Upson because he can then concentrate on his own role because Oliie will maintain his position and a disciplned performance suits him as he will only get the ball by winning it and not actually go looking to receive it. Those two missing on Saturday were a huge influence on the side at present. The previous three games or should I say even the four under GC have very much relied on defenders clearing the ball or passing it short and Upson being the bulldog closing opponents down and then being capable of spreadinbg the ball. The ball was not being passed by us back to the defenders who because they are mainly slow get themselves in trouble and we then have what occurred Saturday. Lines did not help the situation by staying so deep. We are three players short of ALTERNATIVES to allow GC to change things.
|
|
|
Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 3, 2019 11:43:13 GMT
You are never going to get anything else as long as you have a midfield with Sinclair and Martin in it. Let's be honest Holmes-Dennis is a class player for this division who is capable of special things including crossing the ball and set pieces. Ollie Clarke suits Upson because he can then concentrate on his own role because Oliie will maintain his position and a disciplned performance suits him as he will only get the ball by winning it and not actually go looking to receive it. Those two missing on Saturday were a huge influence on the side at present. The previous three games or should I say even the four under GC have very much relied on defenders clearing the ball or passing it short and Upson being the bulldog closing opponents down and then being capable of spreadinbg the ball. The ball was not being passed by us back to the defenders who because they are mainly slow get themselves in trouble and we then have what occurred Saturday. Lines did not help the situation by staying so deep. We are three players short of ALTERNATIVES to allow GC to change things. I don't really understand your attitude to Lines. I don't know why you think he didn't help when he came on. Our set pieces were better after Lines came on (albeit, that was a low bar). Burton barely touched the ball after Lines came on and they were dominated in the last half hour (which coincided with Lines' arrival) - according to Clough. Lines is the best 'spreader of the ball' in the squad, not Upson.
|
|
|
Post by spiess1 on Jan 3, 2019 11:48:13 GMT
''Our set pieces were better after Lines came on'' - spilt me coffee there!
|
|
|
Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 3, 2019 11:54:57 GMT
''Our set pieces were better after Lines came on'' - spilt me coffee there! What deliveries were good before Lines came on, coz I don't remember any. Before he came on I don't recall any of our corners finding a blue head, and I recall a free kick from a potentially dangerous position that went c. 6 yards over the bar.
|
|
|
Post by spiess1 on Jan 3, 2019 12:16:40 GMT
Lines and good set pieces finished about 3 years ago (from where I watch).
Still, at least he can take a pena……..(oh).
|
|
|
Post by tommym9 on Jan 3, 2019 13:12:25 GMT
Agree that lines deliveries are better than upsons.
They are both bloody awful though!
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Jan 3, 2019 13:21:25 GMT
Agree that lines deliveries are better than upsons. They are both bloody awful though! At least Lines has a turn of pace, Upson has 2, slow, and slower.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 13:27:46 GMT
You are never going to get anything else as long as you have a midfield with Sinclair and Martin in it. Let's be honest Holmes-Dennis is a class player for this division who is capable of special things including crossing the ball and set pieces. Ollie Clarke suits Upson because he can then concentrate on his own role because Oliie will maintain his position and a disciplned performance suits him as he will only get the ball by winning it and not actually go looking to receive it. Those two missing on Saturday were a huge influence on the side at present. The previous three games or should I say even the four under GC have very much relied on defenders clearing the ball or passing it short and Upson being the bulldog closing opponents down and then being capable of spreadinbg the ball. The ball was not being passed by us back to the defenders who because they are mainly slow get themselves in trouble and we then have what occurred Saturday. Lines did not help the situation by staying so deep. We are three players short of ALTERNATIVES to allow GC to change things. Upson has qualities as a scrapper, but in my opinion not as a playmaker (at least, not to tbe level of Lines anyway). That is presumably why he doesn't actively seek the ball from his defenders, which in turn is why we kept going long from the back.
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Jan 3, 2019 13:29:39 GMT
You are never going to get anything else as long as you have a midfield with Sinclair and Martin in it. Let's be honest Holmes-Dennis is a class player for this division who is capable of special things including crossing the ball and set pieces. Ollie Clarke suits Upson because he can then concentrate on his own role because Oliie will maintain his position and a disciplned performance suits him as he will only get the ball by winning it and not actually go looking to receive it. Those two missing on Saturday were a huge influence on the side at present. The previous three games or should I say even the four under GC have very much relied on defenders clearing the ball or passing it short and Upson being the bulldog closing opponents down and then being capable of spreadinbg the ball. The ball was not being passed by us back to the defenders who because they are mainly slow get themselves in trouble and we then have what occurred Saturday. Lines did not help the situation by staying so deep. We are three players short of ALTERNATIVES to allow GC to change things. Upson has qualities as a scrapper, but in my opinion not as a playmaker (at least, not to tbe level of Lines anyway). That is presumably why he doesn't actively seek the ball from his defenders, which in turn is why we kept going long from the back. Upson doesn't have a scrap in him. He doesn't even have a tackle in him. I find it hard to justify why he's in the squad to be honest.
|
|
|
Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 3, 2019 13:30:29 GMT
Agree that lines deliveries are better than upsons. They are both bloody awful though! At least Lines has a turn of pace, Upson has 2, slow, and slower. But Upson has a brain in his head, not between his legs
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Jan 3, 2019 13:43:13 GMT
At least Lines has a turn of pace, Upson has 2, slow, and slower. But Upson has a brain in his head, not between his legs Doesn't help on the pitch though really does it.
|
|
|
Post by stevek192 on Jan 3, 2019 14:23:40 GMT
Footballers split fans preferences whilst plodders who give 100% seem to get far more praise. Ina ll honesty would prefer for home games to see an Upson Lines or an Upson Sercombe partnership with the Upson Sinclair or better the Upson Clarke partnership away from home. IMO you don't want your midfielder taking the ball off the back four because if they are closed down quickly they pass it back again. The biggest difference Saturday was that we were back to a Darrell Clarke system with defenders involved for far too much of the game.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 14:30:20 GMT
Footballers split fans preferences whilst plodders who give 100% seem to get far more praise. Ina ll honesty would prefer for home games to see an Upson Lines or an Upson Sercombe partnership with the Upson Sinclair or better the Upson Clarke partnership away from home. IMO you don't want your midfielder taking the ball off the back four because if they are closed down quickly they pass it back again. The biggest difference Saturday was that we were back to a Darrell Clarke system with defenders involved for far too much of the game. But if the midfielders don't take the ball from defenders, the ball inevitably goes long from the back. And we have no-one to hold it up when it does. My ideal two would be Lines and Clarke, however that freezes out Sercombe, which brings us back to the problem we've had since last season: how to get both Lines and Sercombe, on their day probably our most creative or midfield goal threat players, into the side. Agree about the fact that battlers get more universal praise than footballers though. Odd, but true. Something about the British 'get stuck in' mentality perhaps?
|
|