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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2019 13:30:38 GMT
I am still in the camp that I want them gone. I personally feel that the club is being held to ransom by the Al Qadis. Wael obviously doesn't want to upset his family otherwise he'd say it's not him that is holding the club back. But the family now have walked out on our best chance of owning a ground and not far off of seeing us relegated to league 2. They are clearly reducing cost now, there will players contracts up at the end of the season anyway and we will no doubt before the end of Jan let another 1 or 2 leave and bring some 18 year old loanee in. Hamer another one going maybe. I am not sure the London office, does Wael not have Wi-Fi in his house to do any work another unnecessary cost. I feel massively let down and disconnected from the club more so if I'm honest than our season when we were relegated from League 2. I can't evem bring myself to go watch on Saturday due to the fact we have a club that seems to be going absolutely nowhere apart from backwards. You want them gone? Who is going to replace them? Who is going to pump the money in to keep the club going? You realise we are not making money so whatever the losses are, its being covered by them out of their own pocket...what i find most amusing is that so many of us seem to have forgotten where we were a few years ago pre these guys...were the Higgs years are glory days? Weren't we on the verge of going into administration under Higgs? Did he deliver a stadium? Or did he leave us with a potential deal with UWE that would have seen us paying rent for our ground for the next 99 years and never actually owning it! Sorry mate - this was the best chance for us to be tenants for the next 99 years - we would never have owned the ground. I also heard that a significant amount of matchday revenues would go to UWE, plus there was no agreement on naming rights...Higgs stadium deal sounds like it was a rather poor one...not to mention we ended up wasting a ton of cash on a court case with sainsburys!? And can't remember there being massive interest at the time from other potential owners who wanted to buy the club and do a better job...ultimately, if it wasn't for the qadis we may not even exist today! While I am not thrilled that these guys seem to be the only Arabs who don't like to throw their money about, leaving us without an unlimited budget, no stadium and no training ground - I am rather thankful that we at least exist! Plus - judging by how they are with their money, good chance we are in a far better place financially than we were under Higgs and that the chances of us being in administration again are long gone! As for going backwards...was i in a coma when we were in the Premier League, competing for trophies and ruling Europe? Some of you make it sound like we were a hugely successful team before these owners came along...our recent history doesn't back that up....before they came along we were broke, going into administration, no stadium , no training ground, the Mem was falling apart, and we were in league 2 having recently escaped the conference...if you look back over the last few decades, bit hard to say we are going backwards....we have spent the majority of the last few decades in L2...in fact, in the last 2 years we have been the highest we have been since we were in the old 2nd division! How the F are we going backwards!!? And while we don't have a new stadium, there have been lots of improvements across the entire club...the new shop, the do up of the bars, ticketing etc etc - AND - DC's biggest transfer budget ever. Plus, the fact they coughed up over a £1 million for that piece of land for a training ground shows they at least are thinking about building a training ground...remind me - where was the piece of land Higgs bought to build us a proper training ground? And if what the club says is to believed, then we are still looking for another site to build a stadium - anyone got a plot of land for sale to get this moving? I think the disappointment is our own making. We saw Arabs. We labelled them billionaires (because all Arabs are obviously). And expected a Man City experience where by now we are already in the pl, have a state of the art stadium and are lining up Neymar to replace Nichols! While the line irritates the life out of me, perhaps we should have taken the 'evolution' bit a bit more seriously. All that said - if we get relegated....i may changed my mind. What an excellent post.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 22, 2019 13:40:37 GMT
I am still in the camp that I want them gone. I personally feel that the club is being held to ransom by the Al Qadis. Wael obviously doesn't want to upset his family otherwise he'd say it's not him that is holding the club back. But the family now have walked out on our best chance of owning a ground and not far off of seeing us relegated to league 2. They are clearly reducing cost now, there will players contracts up at the end of the season anyway and we will no doubt before the end of Jan let another 1 or 2 leave and bring some 18 year old loanee in. Hamer another one going maybe. I am not sure the London office, does Wael not have Wi-Fi in his house to do any work another unnecessary cost. I feel massively let down and disconnected from the club more so if I'm honest than our season when we were relegated from League 2. I can't evem bring myself to go watch on Saturday due to the fact we have a club that seems to be going absolutely nowhere apart from backwards. You want them gone? Who is going to replace them? Who is going to pump the money in to keep the club going? You realise we are not making money so whatever the losses are, its being covered by them out of their own pocket...what i find most amusing is that so many of us seem to have forgotten where we were a few years ago pre these guys...were the Higgs years are glory days? Weren't we on the verge of going into administration under Higgs? Did he deliver a stadium? Or did he leave us with a potential deal with UWE that would have seen us paying rent for our ground for the next 99 years and never actually owning it! Sorry mate - this was the best chance for us to be tenants for the next 99 years - we would never have owned the ground. I also heard that a significant amount of matchday revenues would go to UWE, plus there was no agreement on naming rights...Higgs stadium deal sounds like it was a rather poor one...not to mention we ended up wasting a ton of cash on a court case with sainsburys!? And can't remember there being massive interest at the time from other potential owners who wanted to buy the club and do a better job...ultimately, if it wasn't for the qadis we may not even exist today! While I am not thrilled that these guys seem to be the only Arabs who don't like to throw their money about, leaving us without an unlimited budget, no stadium and no training ground - I am rather thankful that we at least exist! Plus - judging by how they are with their money, good chance we are in a far better place financially than we were under Higgs and that the chances of us being in administration again are long gone! As for going backwards...was i in a coma when we were in the Premier League, competing for trophies and ruling Europe? Some of you make it sound like we were a hugely successful team before these owners came along...our recent history doesn't back that up....before they came along we were broke, going into administration, no stadium , no training ground, the Mem was falling apart, and we were in league 2 having recently escaped the conference...if you look back over the last few decades, bit hard to say we are going backwards....we have spent the majority of the last few decades in L2...in fact, in the last 2 years we have been the highest we have been since we were in the old 2nd division! How the F are we going backwards!!? And while we don't have a new stadium, there have been lots of improvements across the entire club...the new shop, the do up of the bars, ticketing etc etc - AND - DC's biggest transfer budget ever. Plus, the fact they coughed up over a £1 million for that piece of land for a training ground shows they at least are thinking about building a training ground...remind me - where was the piece of land Higgs bought to build us a proper training ground? And if what the club says is to believed, then we are still looking for another site to build a stadium - anyone got a plot of land for sale to get this moving? I think the disappointment is our own making. We saw Arabs. We labelled them billionaires (because all Arabs are obviously). And expected a Man City experience where by now we are already in the pl, have a state of the art stadium and are lining up Neymar to replace Nichols! While the line irritates the life out of me, perhaps we should have taken the 'evolution' bit a bit more seriously. All that said - if we get relegated....i may changed my mind. I agree with some of what you are are saying and get your points, we were never this and we were never that. But we are now going backwards, there is no denying it, Wael and Co may have taken some baby steps forward when they first arrived, but now it is one dissapointment after another on and off the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 13:41:23 GMT
You want them gone? Who is going to replace them? Who is going to pump the money in to keep the club going? You realise we are not making money so whatever the losses are, its being covered by them out of their own pocket...what i find most amusing is that so many of us seem to have forgotten where we were a few years ago pre these guys...were the Higgs years are glory days? Weren't we on the verge of going into administration under Higgs? Did he deliver a stadium? Or did he leave us with a potential deal with UWE that would have seen us paying rent for our ground for the next 99 years and never actually owning it! Sorry mate - this was the best chance for us to be tenants for the next 99 years - we would never have owned the ground. I also heard that a significant amount of matchday revenues would go to UWE, plus there was no agreement on naming rights...Higgs stadium deal sounds like it was a rather poor one...not to mention we ended up wasting a ton of cash on a court case with sainsburys!? And can't remember there being massive interest at the time from other potential owners who wanted to buy the club and do a better job...ultimately, if it wasn't for the qadis we may not even exist today! While I am not thrilled that these guys seem to be the only Arabs who don't like to throw their money about, leaving us without an unlimited budget, no stadium and no training ground - I am rather thankful that we at least exist! Plus - judging by how they are with their money, good chance we are in a far better place financially than we were under Higgs and that the chances of us being in administration again are long gone! As for going backwards...was i in a coma when we were in the Premier League, competing for trophies and ruling Europe? Some of you make it sound like we were a hugely successful team before these owners came along...our recent history doesn't back that up....before they came along we were broke, going into administration, no stadium , no training ground, the Mem was falling apart, and we were in league 2 having recently escaped the conference...if you look back over the last few decades, bit hard to say we are going backwards....we have spent the majority of the last few decades in L2...in fact, in the last 2 years we have been the highest we have been since we were in the old 2nd division! How the F are we going backwards!!? And while we don't have a new stadium, there have been lots of improvements across the entire club...the new shop, the do up of the bars, ticketing etc etc - AND - DC's biggest transfer budget ever. Plus, the fact they coughed up over a £1 million for that piece of land for a training ground shows they at least are thinking about building a training ground...remind me - where was the piece of land Higgs bought to build us a proper training ground? And if what the club says is to believed, then we are still looking for another site to build a stadium - anyone got a plot of land for sale to get this moving? I think the disappointment is our own making. We saw Arabs. We labelled them billionaires (because all Arabs are obviously). And expected a Man City experience where by now we are already in the pl, have a state of the art stadium and are lining up Neymar to replace Nichols! While the line irritates the life out of me, perhaps we should have taken the 'evolution' bit a bit more seriously. All that said - if we get relegated....i may changed my mind. I agree with some of what you are are saying and get your points, we were never this and we were never that. But we are now going backwards, there is no denying it, Wael and Co may have taken some baby steps forward when they first arrived, but now it is one dissapointment after another on and off the pitch. Evolution it ain't !
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2019 14:39:53 GMT
You want them gone? Who is going to replace them? Who is going to pump the money in to keep the club going? You realise we are not making money so whatever the losses are, its being covered by them out of their own pocket...what i find most amusing is that so many of us seem to have forgotten where we were a few years ago pre these guys...were the Higgs years are glory days? Weren't we on the verge of going into administration under Higgs? Did he deliver a stadium? Or did he leave us with a potential deal with UWE that would have seen us paying rent for our ground for the next 99 years and never actually owning it! Sorry mate - this was the best chance for us to be tenants for the next 99 years - we would never have owned the ground. I also heard that a significant amount of matchday revenues would go to UWE, plus there was no agreement on naming rights...Higgs stadium deal sounds like it was a rather poor one...not to mention we ended up wasting a ton of cash on a court case with sainsburys!? And can't remember there being massive interest at the time from other potential owners who wanted to buy the club and do a better job...ultimately, if it wasn't for the qadis we may not even exist today! While I am not thrilled that these guys seem to be the only Arabs who don't like to throw their money about, leaving us without an unlimited budget, no stadium and no training ground - I am rather thankful that we at least exist! Plus - judging by how they are with their money, good chance we are in a far better place financially than we were under Higgs and that the chances of us being in administration again are long gone! As for going backwards...was i in a coma when we were in the Premier League, competing for trophies and ruling Europe? Some of you make it sound like we were a hugely successful team before these owners came along...our recent history doesn't back that up....before they came along we were broke, going into administration, no stadium , no training ground, the Mem was falling apart, and we were in league 2 having recently escaped the conference...if you look back over the last few decades, bit hard to say we are going backwards....we have spent the majority of the last few decades in L2...in fact, in the last 2 years we have been the highest we have been since we were in the old 2nd division! How the F are we going backwards!!? And while we don't have a new stadium, there have been lots of improvements across the entire club...the new shop, the do up of the bars, ticketing etc etc - AND - DC's biggest transfer budget ever. Plus, the fact they coughed up over a £1 million for that piece of land for a training ground shows they at least are thinking about building a training ground...remind me - where was the piece of land Higgs bought to build us a proper training ground? And if what the club says is to believed, then we are still looking for another site to build a stadium - anyone got a plot of land for sale to get this moving? I think the disappointment is our own making. We saw Arabs. We labelled them billionaires (because all Arabs are obviously). And expected a Man City experience where by now we are already in the pl, have a state of the art stadium and are lining up Neymar to replace Nichols! While the line irritates the life out of me, perhaps we should have taken the 'evolution' bit a bit more seriously. All that said - if we get relegated....i may changed my mind. I agree with some of what you are are saying and get your points, we were never this and we were never that. But we are now going backwards, there is no denying it, Wael and Co may have taken some baby steps forward when they first arrived, but now it is one dissapointment after another on and off the pitch. How are we going backwards on an off the pitch compared to where we were before they took over? League 1 Vs Conference No training ground Vs No training ground No new stadium Vs no new stadium Better bars Vs sh** bars Better shop Vs crappy shop Selling our best players Vs selling our best players In debt Vs in debt No communication Vs meaningless communication I'm all for people airing issues but claiming we are going backwards in all aspects since they came in is clearly nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 14:54:50 GMT
I agree with some of what you are are saying and get your points, we were never this and we were never that. But we are now going backwards, there is no denying it, Wael and Co may have taken some baby steps forward when they first arrived, but now it is one dissapointment after another on and off the pitch. How are we going backwards on an off the pitch compared to where we were before they took over? League 1 Vs Conference No training ground Vs No training ground No new stadium Vs no new stadium Better bars Vs sh** bars Better shop Vs crappy shop Selling our best players Vs selling our best players In debt Vs in debt No communication Vs meaningless communication I'm all for people airing issues but claiming we are going backwards in all aspects since they came in is clearly nonsense. But it's a bit trite to say 'debt vs debt', the Al Qadi's have taken the debt to a significant point where only a madman would want to buy us. That is not a good position to be in because we are wedded to them and their 'evolution' mantra now until they decide they have had enough. Sadly Evolution seems to be 'synonymous' with 'relegation' under their cheap and cheerful management option so you might be jumping the gun with the 'league one vs conference' aspect too.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2019 15:04:18 GMT
How are we going backwards on an off the pitch compared to where we were before they took over? League 1 Vs Conference No training ground Vs No training ground No new stadium Vs no new stadium Better bars Vs sh** bars Better shop Vs crappy shop Selling our best players Vs selling our best players In debt Vs in debt No communication Vs meaningless communication I'm all for people airing issues but claiming we are going backwards in all aspects since they came in is clearly nonsense. But it's a bit trite to say 'debt vs debt', the Al Qadi's have taken the debt to a significant point where only a madman would want to buy us. That is not a good position to be in because we are wedded to them and their 'evolution' mantra now until they decide they have had enough. Sadly Evolution seems to be 'synonymous' with 'relegation' under their cheap and cheerful management option so you might be jumping the gun with the 'league one vs conference' aspect too. Yes, you are absolutely right. I should have said Increased debt Vs non servicable debt.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 22, 2019 15:13:45 GMT
I agree with some of what you are are saying and get your points, we were never this and we were never that. But we are now going backwards, there is no denying it, Wael and Co may have taken some baby steps forward when they first arrived, but now it is one dissapointment after another on and off the pitch. How are we going backwards on an off the pitch compared to where we were before they took over? League 1 Vs Conference No training ground Vs No training ground No new stadium Vs no new stadium Better bars Vs sh** bars Better shop Vs crappy shop Selling our best players Vs selling our best players In debt Vs in debt No communication Vs meaningless communication I'm all for people airing issues but claiming we are going backwards in all aspects since they came in is clearly nonsense. I can't change your mindset, but if you think that as a club Bristol Rovers are progressing then I am worried for what going backward actually look like. WAQ never came in when we were in the conference either, we were in alright form just outside play offs of league 2. We are heading back there, but I will not expect us to bounce back into league 1 if we go down.
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Post by jfgas on Jan 22, 2019 15:20:18 GMT
But it's a bit trite to say 'debt vs debt', the Al Qadi's have taken the debt to a significant point where only a madman would want to buy us. That is not a good position to be in because we are wedded to them and their 'evolution' mantra now until they decide they have had enough. Sadly Evolution seems to be 'synonymous' with 'relegation' under their cheap and cheerful management option so you might be jumping the gun with the 'league one vs conference' aspect too. Yes, you are absolutely right. I should have said Increased debt Vs non servicable debt. Think you could also change the No training ground Vs No training ground to - Bought 20+ acres for no training ground v no land for training ground.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 22, 2019 15:23:48 GMT
Why change a manager in December and not do all you can to allow him to improve the team in the Jan window?? Might as well have kept DC until the summer. GC is on a hiding to nothing imo Totally agree... However we have a huge squad of 26 / 27 pros.... probably six more than we need and the previous manager has literally wasted significant money in previous windows. If I were Wael I would have serious reservations at throwing more money at the playing side.That said I think we might be surprised with a few late loan deals … with no game this weekend the club will leave things until the last minute to minimise wages costs etc...
True, but then why not let DC finish the season and re-evaluate in the summer when more contracts would be up? If he doesn't want to throw any money to help the situation then he must be prepared for us to get relegated.
DC tried pretty much everything (formations, personnel etc) and nothing seemed to worked.
As I said before GC is on a hiding to nothing as he has to work with the same group of players that put DC out of a job
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2019 15:29:38 GMT
How are we going backwards on an off the pitch compared to where we were before they took over? League 1 Vs Conference No training ground Vs No training ground No new stadium Vs no new stadium Better bars Vs sh** bars Better shop Vs crappy shop Selling our best players Vs selling our best players In debt Vs in debt No communication Vs meaningless communication I'm all for people airing issues but claiming we are going backwards in all aspects since they came in is clearly nonsense. I can't change your mindset, but if you think that as a club Bristol Rovers are progressing then I am worried for what going backward actually look like. WAQ never came in when we were in the conference either, we were in alright form just outside play offs of league 2. We are heading back there, but I will not expect us to bounce back into league 1 if we go down. For the record, if youd posted something waxing lyrical about how much progress we have made under the AQs I would have posted exactly the same reply. People seem to want to slate the new owners but their justification for that really doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 22, 2019 15:52:04 GMT
I agree with some of what you are are saying and get your points, we were never this and we were never that. But we are now going backwards, there is no denying it, Wael and Co may have taken some baby steps forward when they first arrived, but now it is one dissapointment after another on and off the pitch. How are we going backwards on an off the pitch compared to where we were before they took over? League 1 Vs Conference No training ground Vs No training ground No new stadium Vs no new stadium Better bars Vs sh** bars Better shop Vs crappy shop Selling our best players Vs selling our best players In debt Vs in debt No communication Vs meaningless communication I'm all for people airing issues but claiming we are going backwards in all aspects since they came in is clearly nonsense. Tbf Hugo, I don't feel singupgas is saying the club is going backwards compared to before they took over. He's saying that right now, we are moving backwards. Which is hard to deny. In response to some of your bullet points; League 1 Vs Conference - That's not quite true is it? They took over in L2. In fact, they took over in Feb 2016, so really they had no real effect in L1. Perhaps they added some momentum, but that's really it. No training ground Vs No training ground No new stadium Vs no new stadium - Again, not fair. There were plans with the old board. So we've moved backwards.Better bars Vs sh** bars Better shop Vs crappy shop Selling our best players Vs selling our best players - At least before, we didn't sell our best players for 1/5th of their worth. Our contract management was much much betterIn debt Vs in debt No communication Vs meaningless communication - I'd rather "meaningless communication". It's much better to know our owners have the time to at least address fans and recognize we exist, rather than ignore us.
Oh and just for fun: Broken score board Vs Working score board Either way, there is no doubt that right now, we aren't moving forward unfortunately.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jan 22, 2019 16:12:31 GMT
The man is a liar , FACT ! “Finances aren’t an issue” yet we still have an awful bloody tannoy system that works when it wants to ! A small thing I know , but wael hasn’t followed through with anything , DC is probably relieved to no longer be manager here.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 22, 2019 16:16:13 GMT
I can't change your mindset, but if you think that as a club Bristol Rovers are progressing then I am worried for what going backward actually look like. WAQ never came in when we were in the conference either, we were in alright form just outside play offs of league 2. We are heading back there, but I will not expect us to bounce back into league 1 if we go down. For the record, if youd posted something waxing lyrical about how much progress we have made under the AQs I would have posted exactly the same reply. People seem to want to slate the new owners but their justification for that really doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I don't think my original post was that unfair, and in my opinion not far at all from the truth. The new board haven't lived up to the hype, I think we were all hoping for. I would say most fans thought we were sold to the ALQs because they had the finance to pay for the stadium, in fact Wael has said finance was never a problem. When are going to be told about the next failed attempt to acquire some land, 6 months, a year? It would be nice for any of the board to come out with some thing positive. Finally, we are bottom of the league, where is the cavalry, why are so poor at getting players in, it's always been the case even last season and the year before.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 16:28:30 GMT
I can't change your mindset, but if you think that as a club Bristol Rovers are progressing then I am worried for what going backward actually look like. WAQ never came in when we were in the conference either, we were in alright form just outside play offs of league 2. We are heading back there, but I will not expect us to bounce back into league 1 if we go down. For the record, if youd posted something waxing lyrical about how much progress we have made under the AQs I would have posted exactly the same reply. People seem to want to slate the new owners but their justification for that really doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Conversely Higgs and co would have been slaughtered for stuff the Al Qadi's have been given a hall pass for. Ultimately, what I don't understand is why the Al Qadi's are viewed as much more capable owners to deserve the benefit of being able to punt out meaningless communication after we sell our best player, to buy a piece of land and let it turn into a jungle etc. Having the nous to get sponsors to pay for improvements and hiring staff that aren't needed or useful (HoR anyone?) Does not make them competent owners and it does not make the future under them look appealing in the slightest. All their 'gains' have been marginal at best and yet people bang on about them like they have re-invented the wheel. They are have slightly deeper pockets than Higgs granted but that money will need to be reckoned for one day, some way, some how and most of the people singing their praises now might not like how it has to be repaid.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2019 16:34:40 GMT
How are we going backwards on an off the pitch compared to where we were before they took over? League 1 Vs Conference No training ground Vs No training ground No new stadium Vs no new stadium Better bars Vs sh** bars Better shop Vs crappy shop Selling our best players Vs selling our best players In debt Vs in debt No communication Vs meaningless communication I'm all for people airing issues but claiming we are going backwards in all aspects since they came in is clearly nonsense. Tbf Hugo, I don't feel singupgas is saying the club is going backwards compared to before they took over. He's saying that right now, we are moving backwards. Which is hard to deny. In response to some of your bullet points; League 1 Vs Conference - That's not quite true is it? They took over in L2. In fact, they took over in Feb 2016, so really they had no real effect in L1. Perhaps they added some momentum, but that's really it. No training ground Vs No training ground No new stadium Vs no new stadium - Again, not fair. There were plans with the old board. So we've moved backwards.Better bars Vs sh** bars Better shop Vs crappy shop Selling our best players Vs selling our best players - At least before, we didn't sell our best players for 1/5th of their worth. Our contract management was much much betterIn debt Vs in debt No communication Vs meaningless communication - I'd rather "meaningless communication". It's much better to know our owners have the time to at least address fans and recognize we exist, rather than ignore us.
Oh and just for fun: Broken score board Vs Working score board Either way, there is no doubt that right now, we aren't moving forward unfortunately. Ok.... League 2 Vs league 2 No plans for a stadium Vs no plans that came to anything for a stadium Market value for players is a really difficult one and is linked to your second point. Contracts. I feel some selective rewriting of history going on here. Gill, Blizzard etc. People were ALWAYS slating Higgs for long contracts and overpaying players. Now all of a sudden long contracts are better?? It's a balance. Long contracts helps us get fees and would have helped the Taylor situation, but imagine if Nichols was on a 5 year deal!! Just for fun, the scoreboard was broken when they took over and it was replaced with the big one in the corner which is also now broken. The PA is still sh** too. The one thing I might conceed on is the point about communication. When Higgs was Chairman he did at least pretend to make the effort and not everything he said was total bullshit so yeah, that is a massive improvement on what we have now. And AGAIN to be clear I am absolutely not saying that we are making any progress. I just don't see this current lot as any worse than the previous lot. Nor are they any better.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 22, 2019 16:37:37 GMT
Frankly if we are using the old lot as a benchmark of what is acceptable in the running of a club I think we have gone wrong somewhere.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2019 16:38:57 GMT
For the record, if youd posted something waxing lyrical about how much progress we have made under the AQs I would have posted exactly the same reply. People seem to want to slate the new owners but their justification for that really doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Conversely Higgs and co would have been slaughtered for stuff the Al Qadi's have been given a hall pass for. Ultimately, what I don't understand is why the Al Qadi's are viewed as much more capable owners to deserve the benefit of being able to punt out meaningless communication after we sell our best player, to buy a piece of land and let it turn into a jungle etc. Having the nous to get sponsors to pay for improvements and hiring staff that aren't needed or useful (HoR anyone?) Does not make them competent owners and it does not make the future under them look appealing in the slightest. All their 'gains' have been marginal at best and yet people bang on about them like they have re-invented the wheel. They are have slightly deeper pockets than Higgs granted but that money will need to be reckoned for one day, some way, some how and most of the people singing their praises now might not like how it has to be repaid. See, that's something I agree with and perfectly sums up what I've been trying to say all along here. It's absolutely fine to have a pop at our owners. I think they are failing in several aspects of running the club. It's top heavy, no communication, no apparent plan for the future and the long term debt plan is a concern. All that can be raised without calling them fake sheikhs and without looking back all dewy eyed at the previous regime who were just as useless.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 22, 2019 16:45:17 GMT
I think Hugo is making a point which is the most worrying of all.
After three years of Dwane Sports ownership the very best case scenario is that "we are no worse off than we were before"
But the very worst case scenario, which did not apply in February 2016, is that the debts exceed the assets, the owners will not continue loaning cash to pay for the ongoing losses and so the ground has to be sold with no equity left in the pot to finance the future of Bristol Rovers.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2019 16:56:49 GMT
I think Hugo is making a point which is the most worrying of all. After three years of Dwane Sports ownership the very best case scenario is that "we are no worse off than we were before" But the very worst case scenario, which did not apply in February 2016, is that the debts exceed the assets, the owners will not continue loaning cash to pay for the ongoing losses and so the ground has to be sold with no equity left in the pot to finance the future of Bristol Rovers. Or.... We are better off because in theory the owners have the personal wealth to service the debt as opposed to having the high interest loan that was allegedly hours from being called in. Edit.... Actually, I don't know which is worse. A smaller debt that meant the club had some equity but couldn't be paid Or A debt that in theory isn't as pressing but is nearly equal to our assets.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 17:00:01 GMT
Frankly if we are using the old lot as a benchmark of what is acceptable in the running of a club I think we have gone wrong somewhere. Exactly, I wouldn't use either of them as any sort of example which is why I find holding up the Al Qadi's in comparison so daft it's hilarious. As I said, like trying hard to win a tallest dwarf competition. As a club we're still light years behind everyone else no matter who triumphs in the Higgs vs Al Qadi debate.
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