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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 9:02:55 GMT
Thoughts?
I don't think mine are suitable for the forum.
Not taking the article at face value as it is the BBC, but the UK govt 'doesn't want these people back'. How about 'they will not be coming back'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 9:27:58 GMT
There should be no taxpayer money wasted to help her get back to the UK. Let her rot wherever she is now. She has no regrets and is only coming back because she thinks ISIS are not going to win their 'war' and wants access to the NHS.
However, I suspect her human rights will be put first and we will help her back. I bet there will already be some crowd funding supported by Chakrabati and her far left colleagues to 'provide her with the support she needs'.
No doubt when she returns and the dust has settled we will learn she's on £24k per year benefits, is living in brand new social housing, has been given taxpayer funded driving lessons and been given a new identity because she fears reprisals from both hardline Muslims and the far right who will both rightly view her as a traitor.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 14, 2019 9:44:22 GMT
She should not be allowed back.
Maybe if she'd said she did have regrets then there may be more sympathy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 11:00:44 GMT
Allow is completely the wrong word.
She should be brought back as a criminal and stand trial for the crimes she is accused of.
Just as we would for paedophiles operating in Thailand or the Philippines, drug gangs in Spain.
There is no difference.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Feb 14, 2019 12:38:54 GMT
No thanks. Pretty sure we can do better than this. A nice French nurse or Spanish paramedic would be much more palatable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 12:45:15 GMT
No thanks. Pretty sure we can do better than this. A nice French nurse or Spanish paramedic would be much more palatable. Emotively perhaps. But considering the law...? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 13:05:23 GMT
Allow is completely the wrong word. She should be brought back as a criminal and stand trial for the crimes she is accused of. Just as we would for paedophiles operating in Thailand or the Philippines, drug gangs in Spain. There is no difference. Why should we bring her back and pick up the bill. Let her make her own way back and then arrest her immediately and put her kid up for adoption as she's clearly unfit to be a mother. i'm not sure what offence she would be charged with or how we can ever prove what crimes she committed whilst overseas. Therefore I suspect she will not get jailed and will soon be in social housing and picking up her benefits every month. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 14, 2019 13:51:44 GMT
Nope. Vile creature. Stay out there. Enjoy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 16:55:06 GMT
Important people that we observe the law.
Remember, the law is there to bring justice, not revenge.
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 14, 2019 17:12:57 GMT
Important people that we observe the law. Remember, the law is there to bring justice, not revenge. I agree in principle however it is complex in a situation like this,my question is should the law serve the interests of someone who's articulated intent is to damage our culture and society. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 14, 2019 18:20:23 GMT
Important people that we observe the law. Remember, the law is there to bring justice, not revenge. If you take yourself outside of the law in this way then its a bit rich expecting it to help you. Also, just because something is law, that doesn't make it right. There are loads of examples of something being law but public outrage rightly prevailing and having the law changed. The most obvious is slavery. If someone leaves this country to go and fight against this country then tough sh**. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 20:50:33 GMT
Important people that we observe the law. Remember, the law is there to bring justice, not revenge. If you take yourself outside of the law in this way then its a bit rich expecting it to help you. Also, just because something is law, that doesn't make it right. There are loads of examples of something being law but public outrage rightly prevailing and having the law changed. The most obvious is slavery. If someone leaves this country to go and fight against this country then tough sh**. I am first to the barricades against unjust law that depletes the interests of the unempowered. This situation is not the case. This lady may well have broken the law. Let the CPS argue that case. She is a UK citizen and should be tried as such. If indeed she has broken any law. If a UK citizen had gone to South Africa to bring insurrection against a Government that was openly supported by our Government during apartheid would that be a crime? After all our economic and political interests at the time were heavily vested in white supremacy. If there is evidence that she supported or advocated violence against UK society, bring the evidence to court and see her brought to justice. Anything else is guilty by supposition through a kangaroo court. We are better than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 21:18:17 GMT
If you take yourself outside of the law in this way then its a bit rich expecting it to help you. Also, just because something is law, that doesn't make it right. There are loads of examples of something being law but public outrage rightly prevailing and having the law changed. The most obvious is slavery. If someone leaves this country to go and fight against this country then tough sh**. I am first to the barricades against unjust law that depletes the interests of the unempowered. This situation is not the case. This lady may well have broken the law. Let the CPS argue that case. She is a UK citizen and should be tried as such. If indeed she has broken any law. If a UK citizen had gone to South Africa to bring insurrection against a Government that was openly supported by our Government during apartheid would that be a crime? After all our economic and political interests at the time were heavily vested in white supremacy. If there is evidence that she supported or advocated violence against UK society, bring the evidence to court and see her brought to justice. Anything else is guilty by supposition through a kangaroo court. We are better than that. Unfortunately. And therein lies the real issue.
According to sky "Shamima Begum, who is believed to only hold British citizenship, will be protected from any attempts to remove her citizenship as this is only possible for dual citizens."
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Post by jaggas on Feb 14, 2019 21:18:42 GMT
She gave up her rights to be a UK citizen when she joined IS.My in opinion us she should be left to rot in the refugee camp.I wonder if our Dutch "friends" will be doing all they can to bring home their bloke who deserted Holland went to fight with IS and shagged an underage girl....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 22:08:17 GMT
I am first to the barricades against unjust law that depletes the interests of the unempowered. This situation is not the case. This lady may well have broken the law. Let the CPS argue that case. She is a UK citizen and should be tried as such. If indeed she has broken any law. If a UK citizen had gone to South Africa to bring insurrection against a Government that was openly supported by our Government during apartheid would that be a crime? After all our economic and political interests at the time were heavily vested in white supremacy. If there is evidence that she supported or advocated violence against UK society, bring the evidence to court and see her brought to justice. Anything else is guilty by supposition through a kangaroo court. We are better than that. Unfortunately. And therein lies the real issue.
According to sky "Shamima Begum, who is believed to only hold British citizenship, will be protected from any attempts to remove her citizenship as this is only possible for dual citizens."
No it's not. I reserve my right to object to the current undemocratic system of monarchy. I will seek to over throw it without inciting violence or causing harm to others. Should I be stripped of my citenship as a result? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 22:10:19 GMT
She gave up her rights to be a UK citizen when she joined IS.My in opinion us she should be left to rot in the refugee camp.I wonder if our Dutch "friends" will be doing all they can to bring home their bloke who deserted Holland went to fight with IS and shagged an underage girl.... Your opinion is fatally undermined by Your previous horribly biased and unfounded comments. Try posting on the Beano website. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 22:17:42 GMT
Unfortunately. And therein lies the real issue.
According to sky "Shamima Begum, who is believed to only hold British citizenship, will be protected from any attempts to remove her citizenship as this is only possible for dual citizens."
No it's not. I reserve my right to object to the current undemocratic system of monarchy. I will seek to over throw it without inciting violence or causing harm to others. Should I be stripped of my citenship as a result? I'm not entirely sure its appropriate to come up with a half-baked analogy like that, we're not talking about you, but if the words used by this female in her 'interview' are to be taken at face value (ahem), then she should. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 14, 2019 22:38:00 GMT
Had she been caught in the open during an air strike, I would shed no tears. However as things for IS are coming to an end then the risk of those who left this country filtering back and causing carnage here is real.
I would rather we took them back, prosecuted them and put them away for years. She would also have her baby taken away (friend of mine is on the adoption list and would make a far better parent and bring up a baby that deserves to live in a safe environment, it's not the baby's fault and she has lost two others).
This war, and IS, has claimed too many victims already, let's not become like them and hold up our humanity and rule of law proudly.
Any dual nationals should have their passports revoked, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 22:50:48 GMT
Had she been caught in the open during an air strike, I would shed no tears. However as things for IS are coming to an end then the risk of those who left this country filtering back and causing carnage here is real. I would rather we took them back, prosecuted them and put them away for years. She would also have her baby taken away (friend of mine is on the adoption list and would make a far better parent and bring up a baby that deserves to live in a safe environment, it's not the baby's fault and she has lost two others). This war, and IS, has claimed too many victims already, let's not become like them and hold up our humanity and rule of law proudly. Any dual nationals should have their passports revoked, though. Totally agree about the baby and how we should approach dual nationals in such a scenario. The problem with this case and those like it are what will she be charged with? Where do you find prosecution witnesses? Politely ask ISIS members to have a break from cutting people's heads off and chucking gay people off rooftops and hellp us uphold British justice? i predict a huge lump of taxpayer funded legal aid, no charges or a suspended sentence, brand new social housing and a nice benefit cheque each month. She will get support from a human rights organisation to keep her child. Then in five years everyone will be bleating when she gets mixed up in a terrorism act here. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 22:51:19 GMT
Had she been caught in the open during an air strike, I would shed no tears. However as things for IS are coming to an end then the risk of those who left this country filtering back and causing carnage here is real. I would rather we took them back, prosecuted them and put them away for years. She would also have her baby taken away (friend of mine is on the adoption list and would make a far better parent and bring up a baby that deserves to live in a safe environment, it's not the baby's fault and she has lost two others). This war, and IS, has claimed too many victims already, let's not become like them and hold up our humanity and rule of law proudly. Any dual nationals should have their passports revoked, though. so she says... |
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