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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 6, 2019 23:16:24 GMT
Been wondering about this for a while, since I think the guy is extremely talented. But I haven't really seen him being linked to many jobs as managers are sacked, I think the best odds were 12-1 for Luton. So my question is: What level of team do you see realistically signing him? What team do you think could do with him? As a manager, how high do you think he will go? For me, I think, given they are relegated, Bradford would be a great choice. A team which has the capacity to rapidly improve. Bradford I agree but already appointed Bowyer. He should wait for a big underperforming club IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 8:51:20 GMT
Been wondering about this for a while, since I think the guy is extremely talented. But I haven't really seen him being linked to many jobs as managers are sacked, I think the best odds were 12-1 for Luton. So my question is: What level of team do you see realistically signing him? What team do you think could do with him? As a manager, how high do you think he will go? For me, I think, given they are relegated, Bradford would be a great choice. A team which has the capacity to rapidly improve. Bradford I agree but already appointed Bowyer. He should wait for a big underperforming club IMO. Like Barnet |
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Post by rosssgb on Mar 7, 2019 13:42:39 GMT
Absolutely love DC but any suggestion of the Luton job is just scandalous.
His next role will be NL or L2, especially if we go down as like it or not his poor recruitment in L1 is part of his legacy.
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Post by farmygas on Mar 7, 2019 13:55:36 GMT
Can't only be me that thinks National League is a massive step down for DC? I know people talk about his transfer policy in last few windows but on paper he signed excellent players. They just didn't perform. like Saltford Blimey! I know he had a bad 2018 but the Somerset County League is a bit of a drop. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 14:08:22 GMT
Absolutely love DC but any suggestion of the Luton job is just scandalous. His next role will be NL or L2, especially if we go down as like it or not his poor recruitment in L1 is part of his legacy. I think you're being very harsh. He managed back to back promotions and with largely the same squad then achieved back to back mid table finishes in League One. He clearly made mistakes this season but a lack of resource and losing his best players in a succession of transfer windows killed any hope of kicking on. Out of of interest did you blame DC for our relegation to the conference rather than John Ward? Anyone that does is again being unfair - can't have it both ways, I.e blamed for taking an already relegation threatened side down but then also getting the blame for another relegation several years down the line when having been relieved of his duties six months before the end of the season. |
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Post by lpgas on Mar 7, 2019 16:11:09 GMT
Back to Salisbury
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 7, 2019 20:09:46 GMT
What have you got against DC |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 7, 2019 21:08:18 GMT
Absolutely love DC but any suggestion of the Luton job is just scandalous. His next role will be NL or L2, especially if we go down as like it or not his poor recruitment in L1 is part of his legacy. I think you're being very harsh. He managed back to back promotions and with largely the same squad then achieved back to back mid table finishes in League One. He clearly made mistakes this season but a lack of resource and losing his best players in a succession of transfer windows killed any hope of kicking on. Out of of interest did you blame DC for our relegation to the conference rather than John Ward? Anyone that does is again being unfair - can't have it both ways, I.e blamed for taking an already relegation threatened side down but then also getting the blame for another relegation several years down the line when having been relieved of his duties six months before the end of the season. I agree. When we had our two mid table league 1 finishes most of us acknowledged there was still a big chasm to the top of the table sides and that we had overachieved. Factor in the loss of major players for us (Snake, Bodin, Ellis, Brown) then it’s hardly much of a surprise that we have struggled. The fact is that if we stay up this year we will probably struggle again next year unless anything major changes. |
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Post by aforce on Mar 7, 2019 22:02:40 GMT
I think you're being very harsh. He managed back to back promotions and with largely the same squad then achieved back to back mid table finishes in League One. He clearly made mistakes this season but a lack of resource and losing his best players in a succession of transfer windows killed any hope of kicking on. Out of of interest did you blame DC for our relegation to the conference rather than John Ward? Anyone that does is again being unfair - can't have it both ways, I.e blamed for taking an already relegation threatened side down but then also getting the blame for another relegation several years down the line when having been relieved of his duties six months before the end of the season. I agree. When we had our two mid table league 1 finishes most of us acknowledged there was still a big chasm to the top of the table sides and that we had overachieved. Factor in the loss of major players for us (Snake, Bodin, Ellis, Brown) then it’s hardly much of a surprise that we have struggled. The fact is that if we stay up this year we will probably struggle again next year unless anything major changes. Is he not partly to blame for losing these players. He obviously negotiated a pittance transfer clause on Matty Taylor. And then he failed to secure bodin to a longer contract when we went up to league one. And Harrison I just feel we got a good deal because he isn’t that great but he spent this money on stef Payne 😂 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 7, 2019 22:15:19 GMT
I agree. When we had our two mid table league 1 finishes most of us acknowledged there was still a big chasm to the top of the table sides and that we had overachieved. Factor in the loss of major players for us (Snake, Bodin, Ellis, Brown) then it’s hardly much of a surprise that we have struggled. The fact is that if we stay up this year we will probably struggle again next year unless anything major changes. Is he not partly to blame for losing these players. He obviously negotiated a pittance transfer clause on Matty Taylor. And then he failed to secure bodin to a longer contract when we went up to league one. And Harrison I just feel we got a good deal because he isn’t that great but he spent this money on stef Payne 😂 Taylor had us over a barrel, not sure any of us were suggesting give BB a longer contract easy to say with hindsight why did we offer him a longer contract, Harrison went for £750K Payne costs £150K/200K. DC's failing was recruitment not selling, plus GC seems to be getting more out of the players but how knows if DC manufactured is departure as he'd get sick of the owners, just a pity we can't do the same trick! |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 7, 2019 22:32:16 GMT
I agree. When we had our two mid table league 1 finishes most of us acknowledged there was still a big chasm to the top of the table sides and that we had overachieved. Factor in the loss of major players for us (Snake, Bodin, Ellis, Brown) then it’s hardly much of a surprise that we have struggled. The fact is that if we stay up this year we will probably struggle again next year unless anything major changes. Is he not partly to blame for losing these players. He obviously negotiated a pittance transfer clause on Matty Taylor. And then he failed to secure bodin to a longer contract when we went up to league one. And Harrison I just feel we got a good deal because he isn’t that great but he spent this money on stef Payne 😂 With a President and a Chairman not sure it would be DCs job to negotiate contracts as well so it’s a bit unfair to blame the MT departure on DC. Some things he will have to carry the can for but pretty sure MT isn’t one of them. Was it up to DC to sort out the BB contract? I don’t know. What he found difficult to do and what he didn’t do was replace them with better players and that’s why we are much weaker this season. UTG! |
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Post by lpgas on Mar 7, 2019 22:59:47 GMT
Disagree, otherwise we would be in the top half of the table and he would still be employed So wherever a manager is when he was last sacked represents his level? He could succeed at a Championship club or fail at a league 2 one. Who knows. It was this kind of simplistic analysis that led to claims Clarke was "out of his depth" in the Conference. I'm not looking at this season, last season we won just 4 games after #Christmas, and that's when we had Harrison and Gaffney et al. It was going bad for 18 months, then the final grenade was this summers recruitment. Nice of him to admit that he had the biggest budget he had ever had. Problem is he wasted it on less than average players |
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Post by lpgas on Mar 7, 2019 23:00:56 GMT
What have you got against DC Nothing, but he is now history and this is like some sort of prayer meeting. His last 18 months was crap, and we know it |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 7, 2019 23:03:52 GMT
Mmmm. We can rely upon you lp for a balanced, informed view about DC. 😉 UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 23:29:14 GMT
What have you got against DC Nothing, but he is now history and this is like some sort of prayer meeting. His last 18 months was crap, and we know it No, the last 3 months were crap. The 2017-18 season was another good one. Eventually, selling goalscorers caught up with us and it was unrealistic to expect him to keep finding goalscorers of the quality of Taylor, Bodin and Harrison for a fraction of the cost. The budget may have been the best he had, but you just can't keep selling goalscorers and expect to maintain the existinģ levels, never mind progress. Same thing happened with the likes of Cureton, Roberts and Hayles. Same thing at Southampton with Lambert and Mane. Not saying selling was wrong. We have to live within our means. But to ignore the fact that we sold successful strikers for around £1.5m (and were surely worth more to us than that) and replaced them with around a third of that is to twist the facts to suit an agenda. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 8, 2019 8:50:05 GMT
Was Interesting Listening to Lee Mansell Yesterday at the blue diamond lunch, when he said DC recommended GC as his direct replacement
BTW Lee Yesterday was superb and told some fantastic stories about his life as a pro footballer and that Penalty !
and he hates the sh** big time
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Post by neilv93 on Mar 8, 2019 9:34:00 GMT
Was Interesting Listening to Lee Mansell Yesterday at the blue diamond lunch, when he said DC recommended GC as his direct replacementBTW Lee Yesterday was superb and told some fantastic stories about his life as a pro footballer and that Penalty ! and he hates the sh** big time Sky Sports were harping on about this quite a lot during the Sunderland game too. |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 8, 2019 19:47:15 GMT
What have you got against DC Nothing, but he is now history and this is like some sort of prayer meeting. His last 18 months was crap, and we know it His last 4 months were crap and the first half of 2018 was average. You are right, he is part of our history but you actually won’t let go! UTG! |
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Post by oviedista on Mar 8, 2019 20:11:03 GMT
So wherever a manager is when he was last sacked represents his level? He could succeed at a Championship club or fail at a league 2 one. Who knows. It was this kind of simplistic analysis that led to claims Clarke was "out of his depth" in the Conference. I'm not looking at this season, last season we won just 4 games after #Christmas, and that's when we had Harrison and Gaffney et al. It was going bad for 18 months, then the final grenade was this summers recruitment. Nice of him to admit that he had the biggest budget he had ever had. Problem is he wasted it on less than average players Ah he made some average signings so he's definitely not good enough for league one. That is conclusive. |
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Post by rosssgb on Mar 8, 2019 20:51:11 GMT
Absolutely love DC but any suggestion of the Luton job is just scandalous. His next role will be NL or L2, especially if we go down as like it or not his poor recruitment in L1 is part of his legacy. Out of of interest did you blame DC for our relegation to the conference rather than John Ward? Anyone that does is again being unfair - can't have it both ways, I.e blamed for taking an already relegation threatened side down but then also getting the blame for another relegation several years down the line when having been relieved of his duties six months before the end of the season. Definitely not, damage was already done. DC did a terrific job but the squad he’s left us with given his budget does deserve some criticism, and if you can’t see that then unfortunately fall into the category with people who can’t even handle a discussion around anything negative being said about the bloke. |
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