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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 14:54:48 GMT
I found this really interesting especially as so many like accurate facts on this forum and for me I personally already knew this
Forget the Wales caps, it’s a small country with a good first 15 and the rest made up to make the numbers up and this includes Lockyer. Last night again for Griggs goal with both Lockyer and Craig involved summed up our central pairing and then the free header which Hartley, Adam Barrett or Steve Elliott would have been celebrating in the Thatchers End.
Look at the distribution on this graph as well, I would ban either having the ball to feet for the remainder of the season. Someone take the ball off both of them.
Regardless of Div1 or Div2 next season, it will be Div1 in my opinion, we need two dominant ball winning centre halves 6ft pluses. The recent defensive record is masked by Bonham playing better than Slocombe and Smith and 3 or 4 central midfielders defending the defence most weeks. We play with no wingers really and we are set up to defend in my opinion to cover for the failings at the back.
I have to applaud the people who have put this graph together, must have taken a lot of time.
Again by August the budget had been used on Lockyer, Craig, Broadbent, Mayenese, Kilgour, Clarke. Not one 6ft 2 plus experienced centre half, a gross mis management of budget again. Locks and Craig 5ft 11 and 6ft, one out of the army and never given a game to improve, two in experienced kids and a small James Clarke.
Centre halves in the mould of Coughlan in the summer please.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 15:11:04 GMT
I wonder if our budget will stretch to Van Dyke and Harry Maguire?
Personally the main stat I would take notice of for Defenders is the goals against column - that and using my own eyes. I would do everything we can to retain Locks for as long as we can. I like Craig but would prefer a younger, bigger, quicker CB - someone like Broadbent!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 15:32:33 GMT
I don’t get people desire to keep Locks Eric?
We are talking about a player going into his last year like Taylor and Bodin and not one single club in January coming in for him?
I don’t know what you see what I’m missing, aerial he’s not great nor distributing and I’m told he reads the well, does he?
The truth is the scouts have watched us and played on his aerial ability and they’ve also come in interest of Wales international on the cheap and no one has bought him.........this tells you why he’s still with us.
I can safrice being terrible with the ball at feet if you are winning your battles. I just don’t see it.
I don’t see leadership either setting an examples to his players by his performances if he’s not vocal like Gerrard did.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 6, 2019 15:42:27 GMT
I wonder if our budget will stretch to Van Dyke and Harry Maguire? Personally the main stat I would take notice of for Defenders is the goals against column - that and using my own eyes. I would do everything we can to retain Locks for as long as we can. I like Craig but would prefer a younger, bigger, quicker CB - someone like Broadbent!!! In the GA column we're top eight.
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 6, 2019 16:22:01 GMT
Difficult to see on my phone. Does it show interceptions, positional play that has stopped an attack before it starts, influence of other players, organisation of back 4 and communication with GK etc? My opinion is that we need a dominant, ball winning monster alongside Lockyer to have the best combo. He has other highly sought after attributes. I also agree they should be banned from trying to pass further than 2-3 metres!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 6, 2019 16:31:40 GMT
Difficult to see on my phone. Does it show interceptions, positional play that has stopped an attack before it starts, influence of other players, organisation of back 4 and communication with GK etc? My opinion is that we need a dominant, ball winning monster alongside Lockyer to have the best combo. He has other highly sought after attributes. I also agree they should be banned from trying to pass further than 2-3 metres!! I agree Locks is a decent CB at Div 1 level, looking at Craig he could even well hold his own in the Championship, but we need a dominant CH, I still can't understand why we let TB go and kept Craig. We also need an attacking CM assuming Lines is past his best then we wouldn't need to worry about Locks having to lump it forward. So potentially 2 x goalies, 1 x CH , 1 x CM. 2 x wingers, 2 x goal scorers just for starters next summer!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Mar 6, 2019 17:08:00 GMT
Craig in the championship ffs, the bloke is at Rovers topping up his pension, he is too short, okay when the ball is coming on to him, but from crosses shocking, from Wimbledon away last season to Portsmouth away this season. I hope a championship finally comes in for Lockyer, seems strange nobody has thought about making him captain and centre half at a so called "bigger" club. hmm
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Mar 6, 2019 17:08:22 GMT
Difficult to see on my phone. Does it show interceptions, positional play that has stopped an attack before it starts, influence of other players, organisation of back 4 and communication with GK etc? My opinion is that we need a dominant, ball winning monster alongside Lockyer to have the best combo. He has other highly sought after attributes. I also agree they should be banned from trying to pass further than 2-3 metres!! Exactly, isn't there a story about Ferguson regretting selling Jaap Stam based on this. He was making less tackles but it turned out he was reading the game so much better that he was intercepting the ball without needing to challenge. Similarly, I've noticed Craig give taller opponents (like Gnanduillet) a discreet nudge in the back before they jump meaning they don't end up contesting the header. Interesting starting point for a discussion though and the first time I've seen this detail of player stats at League One level.
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Post by lpgas on Mar 6, 2019 17:54:00 GMT
We need a whole new back line. Clarke is solid, but not good in other areas, Partingdon well not very good and then add 2 stonking CH's
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 6, 2019 18:36:17 GMT
Difficult to see on my phone. Does it show interceptions, positional play that has stopped an attack before it starts, influence of other players, organisation of back 4 and communication with GK etc? My opinion is that we need a dominant, ball winning monster alongside Lockyer to have the best combo. He has other highly sought after attributes. I also agree they should be banned from trying to pass further than 2-3 metres!! I agree Locks is a decent CB at Div 1 level, looking at Craig he could even well hold his own in the Championship, but we need a dominant CH, I still can't understand why we let TB go and kept Craig. We also need an attacking CM assuming Lines is past his best then we wouldn't need to worry about Locks having to lump it forward. So potentially 2 x goalies, 1 x CH , 1 x CM. 2 x wingers, 2 x goal scorers just for starters next summer! Craig a championship player??? Hahahaha.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 18:44:37 GMT
Difficult to see on my phone. Does it show interceptions, positional play that has stopped an attack before it starts, influence of other players, organisation of back 4 and communication with GK etc? My opinion is that we need a dominant, ball winning monster alongside Lockyer to have the best combo. He has other highly sought after attributes. I also agree they should be banned from trying to pass further than 2-3 metres!! I agree although to be fair Locks and Craig's distribution goes wrong when they play long, keeping it short they are fine. The problem is that like many struggling sides players hide. I'm certain that both would prefer to keep it short, they are not big headed types who will know their limitations more than anyone. If we had better outlets, and by that I mean three or four players making moves to find space to receive a pass, then both Locks and Craig would look better.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 6, 2019 18:46:08 GMT
I agree Locks is a decent CB at Div 1 level, looking at Craig he could even well hold his own in the Championship, but we need a dominant CH, I still can't understand why we let TB go and kept Craig. We also need an attacking CM assuming Lines is past his best then we wouldn't need to worry about Locks having to lump it forward. So potentially 2 x goalies, 1 x CH , 1 x CM. 2 x wingers, 2 x goal scorers just for starters next summer! Craig a championship player??? Hahahaha. That's where he spent most of his career, the fact he's passed it now doesn't change history.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 18:47:38 GMT
We need a whole new back line. Clarke is solid, but not good in other areas, Partingdon well not very good and then add 2 stonking CH's What and bomb out THD? - in my eyes he's probably the best left back in the division.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 18:50:53 GMT
I think those stats are utter bullsh*t
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Post by mjhgas on Mar 6, 2019 18:55:41 GMT
One of the meanest defences in the league and we are looking to ship out a young lad who has played 250 games for us!
The problems this season have been at the other end of the pitch!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 6, 2019 18:56:24 GMT
I wonder if our budget will stretch to Van Dyke and Harry Maguire? Personally the main stat I would take notice of for Defenders is the goals against column - that and using my own eyes. I would do everything we can to retain Locks for as long as we can. I like Craig but would prefer a younger, bigger, quicker CB - someone like Broadbent!!! Sadly Mr Broadbent burnt all his bridges before he left
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 19:05:58 GMT
I wonder if our budget will stretch to Van Dyke and Harry Maguire? Personally the main stat I would take notice of for Defenders is the goals against column - that and using my own eyes. I would do everything we can to retain Locks for as long as we can. I like Craig but would prefer a younger, bigger, quicker CB - someone like Broadbent!!! Sadly Mr Broadbent burnt all his bridges before he left What occurred?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 6, 2019 19:13:26 GMT
What about if we go for 3-5-2 next season?
Could sign another CB. I think THD would be made for LWB role and then sign a RWB. Sercombe, Ogogo and Clarke in the middle. Maybe sign a CM like Lines but younger. And then JCH and Nichols up top.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 6, 2019 19:32:01 GMT
Stats tell you a lot but not everything. I usually like these type of tables which you get in lots of professions. It’s a quick way to see “the best” at a glance. It could be that our FB are the best part of our defence but somehow I doubt it esp as they’ve not been a stable part of our defence. So far we have one of the better defences in this league and tbf that’s down to how consistent TC and TL have been. Whether you like them or not and on here lots don’t like TC esp but they have played better than those stats in the original post. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 6, 2019 19:33:16 GMT
I wonder if our budget will stretch to Van Dyke and Harry Maguire? Personally the main stat I would take notice of for Defenders is the goals against column - that and using my own eyes. I would do everything we can to retain Locks for as long as we can. I like Craig but would prefer a younger, bigger, quicker CB - someone like Broadbent!!! Sadly Mr Broadbent burnt all his bridges before he left In what way? Serious question. Down here in darkest Dorset we don’t get the gossip.🤔 UTG!
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