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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2019 9:05:21 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised at some of the views on here following Wael's interview. I've vocally spoke out on here against the owners & even challenged Roady earlier on this thread about it. Having said that, I don't think anyone can deny that this was Wael's most open interview that he's done so far. People want Wael to tell us about the stadium & ownership of the club, he actually did this time (rather than "we're looking at all options") and yet people are still moaning. Why? Because they didn't like the answers? I'm not really sure what you want... I don't really see how people think he was dodging questions either, the only one where it didn't really add up was the training ground. I had a chat with my dad on the phone after and we theorise that the owners simply won't build a training ground unless the stadium is confirmed or unless they're bought out as after all, does it represent investment back to them if they sold the club? Probably not. In my mind, this also confirmed the rumours from Knowall previously (IMO). It matches the rumours that a construction company was looking to either buy the Mem or take over the club. It seems the impasse in the end was like Wael said, it's hard without planning permission - do you buy the land first or go for the planning permission first? The fact this came up a couple of times hints to me that this is an issue right now with potential sites & current Mem. Ultimately, it all depends on whether you believe Wael. I've never thought him to be a liar, more that he just won't tell you what's actually happening (EG, it took GT last night to actually push the reason why UWE fell through, rather than telling us this information). It sounds to me that something positive is happening in the background at least - whether that be new owners/investment/stadium. I'm not a happy clapper or rose tinter - far from it, but this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward It sounded the opposite to me, it sounds like since the UWE collapse we've done nothing but look for alternative investors, there no real plans for a new stadium nor where it will be built just it seems plans to sell the Mem for re-development (the one point Wael seemed worryingly confident on!). As far as posters saying we're fortunate we're not another Blackpool or Oldham that's just two clubs out of 90 plus a dozen sell run National League clubs. The way things stand I can see another 5 years with nothing happening on the stadium front, will Hani really fund another £5m/£10m of debts over that time or bail out whilst there's still some equity in the Mem? But Wael just said that we had a stadium confirmed and ready to go until they pulled out in December? I don't really see the issue with looking for alternative investors if they don't have the money. What would you be doing if you didn't have the money? Too many times in the past have our owners put stadium/stand plans to us that "will be built" but we actually didn't have the money to do it... What's the point? Rather get the investment first, surely? Wael also confirmed the Mem wouldn't be sold until we would move into a new home, so I don't really understand the worry there. Just an alternative thought: maybe they're looking to leave & they believe that having the land and planning permission for a stadium & training facility boosts the value of the club, making way for them to get some investment back whilst new owners then moving forward? Just a thought anyway...
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 15, 2019 9:14:22 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised at some of the views on here following Wael's interview. I've vocally spoke out on here against the owners & even challenged Roady earlier on this thread about it. Having said that, I don't think anyone can deny that this was Wael's most open interview that he's done so far. People want Wael to tell us about the stadium & ownership of the club, he actually did this time (rather than "we're looking at all options") and yet people are still moaning. Why? Because they didn't like the answers? I'm not really sure what you want... I don't really see how people think he was dodging questions either, the only one where it didn't really add up was the training ground. I had a chat with my dad on the phone after and we theorise that the owners simply won't build a training ground unless the stadium is confirmed or unless they're bought out as after all, does it represent investment back to them if they sold the club? Probably not. In my mind, this also confirmed the rumours from Knowall previously (IMO). It matches the rumours that a construction company was looking to either buy the Mem or take over the club. It seems the impasse in the end was like Wael said, it's hard without planning permission - do you buy the land first or go for the planning permission first? The fact this came up a couple of times hints to me that this is an issue right now with potential sites & current Mem. Ultimately, it all depends on whether you believe Wael. I've never thought him to be a liar, more that he just won't tell you what's actually happening (EG, it took GT last night to actually push the reason why UWE fell through, rather than telling us this information). It sounds to me that something positive is happening in the background at least - whether that be new owners/investment/stadium. I'm not a happy clapper or rose tinter - far from it, but this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward Thanks for that perspective gassy. Definitely being not itk it’s interesting to hear others interpretation of what was said. I’ve been sceptical about his silence since August 17 when the UWE went wrong but realised, rightly or wrongly, that his strategy was to keep quiet if there was nothing concrete to say and since that time there has been very little happening. Hence the silence. As with most things Rovers-related, we will have to be patient and hope for the best. I think we’re pretty good at that.😉 UTG!
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Post by markczgas on Mar 15, 2019 9:19:07 GMT
Wow. Ok you are reassured and excited - that's good for you and your dad.
It isn't a great comparison with Spurs (and Man U) is it ?
What did you think was happening when Wael and family bought the club ? UWE being built ? When Wael and Co bought The Colony (and went up to Fleetwood to inspect their one) , what did you expect to happen next ? Wael giggled himself yesterday when he admitted the grass is still growing up there !!!
I know you were a big DC fan - why do you think he flipped like he did about where the club was heading ? why did he mention the cuts about next season ? I'm not excited one bit but concerned. GC has done miracles but what investment will he get next season - especially as season tickets will fall again with the stagnation at infrastructure level.
Finally, Wael's arrival at the club WAS a godsend - most Gasheads welcomed Wael and Co with open arms because we knew Higgs and Co couldn't fund the club any more. We could see Wael secured the debts. I personally, shook his hand and thanked him, wishing him success with the stadium venture (he stated, remember, that the finances are all there) and yet 3 years on we can't even sort out a couple of pitches for our first team let alone all the other age groups.
He basically is in Higgs position - can't you see that ? Didn't you hear the signals last night that he wants someone to buy him out ?
WE fans deserve MUCH better than this and yes, of course, it's NOT all Wael's fault, far from it, but we are no further with a NEW stadium or re-developed Mem, and still have to desparately rent pitches for our first team and all the other age groups from one year to the next.
Oh well, here's to 3pts on Saturday ! UTG !
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Post by peterparker on Mar 15, 2019 9:24:48 GMT
The most telling thing is the accounts thing. Lets see whats in the 2018 accounts when they are available soon.
That might give some insight into what they have been doing
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 9:30:44 GMT
It sounded the opposite to me, it sounds like since the UWE collapse we've done nothing but look for alternative investors, there no real plans for a new stadium nor where it will be built just it seems plans to sell the Mem for re-development (the one point Wael seemed worryingly confident on!). As far as posters saying we're fortunate we're not another Blackpool or Oldham that's just two clubs out of 90 plus a dozen sell run National League clubs. The way things stand I can see another 5 years with nothing happening on the stadium front, will Hani really fund another £5m/£10m of debts over that time or bail out whilst there's still some equity in the Mem? But Wael just said that we had a stadium confirmed and ready to go until they pulled out in December? I don't really see the issue with looking for alternative investors if they don't have the money. What would you be doing if you didn't have the money? Too many times in the past have our owners put stadium/stand plans to us that "will be built" but we actually didn't have the money to do it... What's the point? Rather get the investment first, surely? Wael also confirmed the Mem wouldn't be sold until we would move into a new home, so I don't really understand the worry there. Just an alternative thought: maybe they're looking to leave & they believe that having the land and planning permission for a stadium & training facility boosts the value of the club, making way for them to get some investment back whilst new owners then moving forward? Just a thought anyway... I haven't actually listened yet but hope to find time later today. I'm particularly interested to hear with my own ears what was said about a new stadium falling through in December. I heard from a concrete source back in November, a week or two before they made their announcement, that UWE had been back on the agenda for months, a new local investor involved and fresh stadium plans were shown. The information from the investor was that the previous week, out of the blue, the owners pulled the plug without reason. Clearly things have been going on in the background and I wonder whether the latest UWE deal was pulled because a different option at a new location was being pursued? For me, if stadium options are being pursued it makes sense to mothball any training ground development.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2019 9:35:32 GMT
Wow. Ok you are reassured and excited - that's good for you and your dad. It isn't a great comparison with Spurs (and Man U) is it ? What did you think was happening when Wael and family bought the club ? UWE being built ? When Wael and Co bought The Colony (and went up to Fleetwood to inspect their one) , what did you expect to happen next ? Wael giggled himself yesterday when he admitted the grass is still growing up there !!! I know you were a big DC fan - why do you think he flipped like he did about where the club was heading ? why did he mention the cuts about next season ? I'm not excited one bit but concerned. GC has done miracles but what investment will he get next season - especially as season tickets will fall again with the stagnation at infrastructure level. Finally, Wael's arrival at the club WAS a godsend - most Gasheads welcomed Wael and Co with open arms because we knew Higgs and Co couldn't fund the club any more. We could see Wael secured the debts. I personally, shook his hand and thanked him, wishing him success with the stadium venture (he stated, remember, that the finances are all there) and yet 3 years on we can't even sort out a couple of pitches for our first team let alone all the other age groups. He basically is in Higgs position - can't you see that ? Didn't you hear the signals last night that he wants someone to buy him out ? WE fans deserve MUCH better than this and yes, of course, it's NOT all Wael's fault, far from it, but we are no further with a NEW stadium or re-developed Mem, and still have to desparately rent pitches for our first team and all the other age groups from one year to the next. Oh well, here's to 3pts on Saturday ! UTG ! Well first, note I didn't say I am reassured & excited. I said I feel more excited than I did before the interview. That's a big difference that we're talking about there, please don't twist my words for your gain & benefit. I heard the signals about the club is open to offer & I've addressed that in my first post you replied to. I said " this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward" I also said above " I personally think we'll have an update before the start of next season, whether that will be we've found a site, investment, takeover - who knows" - Do you not think that Rovers getting investment would be moving forward? Is a takeover from current owners who don't have the funds not a positive thing? I think DC got watered off because Wael told him is all fell through, which it did & they announced. DC also said (as confirmed on interview last night) that people who doing their due diligence in a takeover of the club. Perhaps the two are linked? Cuts could well be true, we don't know - DC didn't say they will happen, he said they believe it's more likely that we'll make cuts than anything else (happy to be corrected though without looking at quotes). All I'm saying is that from the interview, I feel more positive about the future of Bristol Rovers than negative. Do you feel more negatively since the interview? I wanted some answers & finally I got some. The fact that the owners are looking for investment can't be viewed as a bad thing, surely?
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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2019 9:37:27 GMT
But Wael just said that we had a stadium confirmed and ready to go until they pulled out in December? I don't really see the issue with looking for alternative investors if they don't have the money. What would you be doing if you didn't have the money? Too many times in the past have our owners put stadium/stand plans to us that "will be built" but we actually didn't have the money to do it... What's the point? Rather get the investment first, surely? Wael also confirmed the Mem wouldn't be sold until we would move into a new home, so I don't really understand the worry there. Just an alternative thought: maybe they're looking to leave & they believe that having the land and planning permission for a stadium & training facility boosts the value of the club, making way for them to get some investment back whilst new owners then moving forward? Just a thought anyway... I haven't actually listened yet but hope to find time later today. I'm particularly interested to hear with my own ears what was said about a new stadium falling through in December. I heard from a concrete source back in November, a week or two before they made their announcement, that UWE had been back on the agenda for months, a new local investor involved and fresh stadium plans were shown. The information from the investor was that the previous week, out of the blue, the owners pulled the plug without reason.Clearly things have been going on in the background and I wonder whether the latest UWE deal was pulled because a different option at a new location was being pursued? For me, if stadium options are being pursued it makes sense to mothball any training ground development. Pretty much what Wael said, but instead said that the investors or "other party" pulled out last minute out of the blue
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Post by markczgas on Mar 15, 2019 9:41:40 GMT
Gassy, good luck my fellow Gashead ! I can see we might start fighting about every word we've written now. I said I'm concerned - so yes more pessimistic than optimistic. Enjoy the game tomorrow.
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Post by neilv93 on Mar 15, 2019 9:42:04 GMT
It sounded the opposite to me, it sounds like since the UWE collapse we've done nothing but look for alternative investors, there no real plans for a new stadium nor where it will be built just it seems plans to sell the Mem for re-development (the one point Wael seemed worryingly confident on!). As far as posters saying we're fortunate we're not another Blackpool or Oldham that's just two clubs out of 90 plus a dozen sell run National League clubs. The way things stand I can see another 5 years with nothing happening on the stadium front, will Hani really fund another £5m/£10m of debts over that time or bail out whilst there's still some equity in the Mem? But Wael just said that we had a stadium confirmed and ready to go until they pulled out in December? I don't really see the issue with looking for alternative investors if they don't have the money. What would you be doing if you didn't have the money? Too many times in the past have our owners put stadium/stand plans to us that "will be built" but we actually didn't have the money to do it... What's the point? Rather get the investment first, surely? Wael also confirmed the Mem wouldn't be sold until we would move into a new home, so I don't really understand the worry there.Just an alternative thought: maybe they're looking to leave & they believe that having the land and planning permission for a stadium & training facility boosts the value of the club, making way for them to get some investment back whilst new owners then moving forward? Just a thought anyway... An interesting comment as it implies that funding is not the issue, something we all always associate with DS. I'm keen to see how all this unfolds long term but I'm quietly optimistic (and probably stupid and naive with that too lol) that we're headed in the right direction. However, I think ensuring we are a stable L1 club going forward (and not going down or being in constant year-on-year relegation battles if we stay up) is a more pressing priority in the interim.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2019 9:47:19 GMT
Gassy, good luck my fellow Gashead ! I can see we might start fighting about every word we've written now. I said I'm concerned - so yes more pessimistic than optimistic. Enjoy the game tomorrow. Fair enough, I guess we all look at it differently. As you said previously though, 3 points tomorrow is the first priority though
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2019 10:32:36 GMT
It sounded the opposite to me, it sounds like since the UWE collapse we've done nothing but look for alternative investors, there no real plans for a new stadium nor where it will be built just it seems plans to sell the Mem for re-development (the one point Wael seemed worryingly confident on!). As far as posters saying we're fortunate we're not another Blackpool or Oldham that's just two clubs out of 90 plus a dozen sell run National League clubs. The way things stand I can see another 5 years with nothing happening on the stadium front, will Hani really fund another £5m/£10m of debts over that time or bail out whilst there's still some equity in the Mem? But Wael just said that we had a stadium confirmed and ready to go until they pulled out in December? I don't really see the issue with looking for alternative investors if they don't have the money. What would you be doing if you didn't have the money? Too many times in the past have our owners put stadium/stand plans to us that "will be built" but we actually didn't have the money to do it... What's the point? Rather get the investment first, surely? Wael also confirmed the Mem wouldn't be sold until we would move into a new home, so I don't really understand the worry there. Just an alternative thought: maybe they're looking to leave & they believe that having the land and planning permission for a stadium & training facility boosts the value of the club, making way for them to get some investment back whilst new owners then moving forward? Just a thought anyway... If they haven't got the money how were they ever going to build the UWE? My view is the UWE was the only stadium plans on the table, there's no other land been identified or stadium plans drawn up. So we're basically back to square one on the stadium front.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 10:40:22 GMT
But Wael just said that we had a stadium confirmed and ready to go until they pulled out in December? I don't really see the issue with looking for alternative investors if they don't have the money. What would you be doing if you didn't have the money? Too many times in the past have our owners put stadium/stand plans to us that "will be built" but we actually didn't have the money to do it... What's the point? Rather get the investment first, surely? Wael also confirmed the Mem wouldn't be sold until we would move into a new home, so I don't really understand the worry there. Just an alternative thought: maybe they're looking to leave & they believe that having the land and planning permission for a stadium & training facility boosts the value of the club, making way for them to get some investment back whilst new owners then moving forward? Just a thought anyway... If they haven't got the money how were they ever going to build the UWE? My view is the UWE was the only stadium plans on the table, there's no other land been identified or stadium plans drawn up. So we're basically back to square one on the stadium front. Evolution innt?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 15, 2019 10:55:49 GMT
If they haven't got the money how were they ever going to build the UWE? My view is the UWE was the only stadium plans on the table, there's no other land been identified or stadium plans drawn up. So we're basically back to square one on the stadium front. Evolution innt? That's it. If you put a fiver out in to the wild, eventually over about a million years it will grow poles, canvas and seats and eventually turn in to something that resembles our newest stand. Evolution relies upon survival of the fittest right? Fail to adapt quickly enough and end up in the conference? Something like that
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Post by cj on Mar 15, 2019 11:31:14 GMT
I've got a headache now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 11:49:24 GMT
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Post by peterhooper57 on Mar 15, 2019 11:54:07 GMT
Personally, I have finished being interested in anything the WAQ & Hani show have to say. I did not listen to the 20man interview; I cannot stand listening to any more "evolution" b*******. In reality WAQ has delivered **** all, I just hope somebody who is a real Gashead, who actually understands our history and what it is to be a Gashead comes along, buys the club and has the b******* to honest and open. At the moment The only things that currently concerns my family, is BRFC securing enough points to stay in Div 1 for next season. Utg
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Post by baggins on Mar 15, 2019 11:55:44 GMT
But Wael just said that we had a stadium confirmed and ready to go until they pulled out in December? I don't really see the issue with looking for alternative investors if they don't have the money. What would you be doing if you didn't have the money? Too many times in the past have our owners put stadium/stand plans to us that "will be built" but we actually didn't have the money to do it... What's the point? Rather get the investment first, surely? Wael also confirmed the Mem wouldn't be sold until we would move into a new home, so I don't really understand the worry there. Just an alternative thought: maybe they're looking to leave & they believe that having the land and planning permission for a stadium & training facility boosts the value of the club, making way for them to get some investment back whilst new owners then moving forward? Just a thought anyway... If they haven't got the money how were they ever going to build the UWE? My view is the UWE was the only stadium plans on the table, there's no other land been identified or stadium plans drawn up. So we're basically back to square one on the stadium front. By selling the Mem? If we were given the go ahead for UWE external investment would be easier? Who knows.
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 15, 2019 11:57:30 GMT
"Are you my missus?"
Wishful thinking, Nobby.
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Post by wertongas on Mar 15, 2019 12:01:45 GMT
This is the most honest interview yet by Wael but still things don't stack up. 1) Wael says that the club don't need money and then says they are looking for investors. 2) Wael says the money is available for the training ground development, yet sometime back Hamer said that the owners didn't realise how expensive the training ground would be to develop and that the owners had only budgeted to a third of the cost. So who is correct. 3) When I went to my daughters graduation at Bristol Cathedral a few years back the Chancellor was very enthusiastic about working with the club on the new stadium. After the feesbility study everything went quiet and eventually the club pulled out not UWE, why would UWE want to pull out and use the land for something else after having spent so much time negotiating with the club. AQ's have done a great job in keeping the club going, but Wael and the club need to Stop contradicting themselves,and get some lessons in PR. It clear that at the moment we are as far away as ever from a new stadium, no site, no planning no money. The owners set aside 15million to invest in the club, let's hope we don't exceed that in losses and they keep on supporting us.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 15, 2019 12:07:16 GMT
Personally, I have finished being interested in anything the WAQ & Hani show have to say. I did not listen to the 20man interview; I cannot stand listening to any more "evolution" b*******. In reality WAQ has delivered **** all, I just hope somebody who is a real Gashead, who actually understands our history and what it is to be a Gashead comes along, buys the club and has the b******* to honest and open. At the moment The only things that currently concerns my family, is BRFC securing enough points to stay in Div 1 for next season. Utg What you seek is impossible "We are grateful to you, for rewarding our carelessness"
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