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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 23:34:53 GMT
Dave for such a tosser which Wael is by everyone standards I don’t think a proper working class honest man like Darrell Clarke would meet up with him and be friends if he was an imposter I’ve never said he’s a tosser, I just think he’s living in a dream world. The stadium and training ground are as far away as they’ve ever been and we’ve had three years of lip service. I hope he proves me wrong but the complete lack of any progress is galling. The believers point to the likes of Gorringe as a sign of progress. Frankly Rovers commercial activities prior the al-Qadi take over were so bad it hardly took a genius to see that. I’ve always said the proof is in the pudding, currently we’ve been waiting on starters for 45 minutes and I want to get home for Match of the Day. You’ve made me laugh on that last couple of lines, very good humour. I can’t argue with the 3 years of where we are still, this is correct and the PR isn’t good. He never had to go on the radio today but let’s just see what the next 6 months brings. For me it will either be new owners, new investment brought in to help Wael and I don’t envisage administration. Right now let’s get the boat back to yard for repairs, Cogs can see land, in December it was sinking. Sleep well mate and catch up tomorrow
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Post by Gasshole on Mar 15, 2019 1:13:30 GMT
Moaning’s easy, it takes very little effort. Getting a stadium built from scratch is not so easy. I doubt there is another Rovers fan on this planet trying harder than Wael to achieve this. 😂 FFS Paul they told you not to going looking behind the scenes, it will slow them down.
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Post by rosssgb on Mar 15, 2019 5:15:12 GMT
Ffs. I wasn’t going to bite but how the f**k is he a massive fan? Please stop the charade. You’re not his best mate, and you know nothing more than any of us regular fans do. It’s become clear his family, possibly through no fault of his own, have no intention of taking the club forward. I hope they leave ASAP. Sorry I’m not allowing a Banned word speak to me like this and this is why I struggle with this forum. I have respect for the likes of MehewMagic and like reading his posts, he said earlier he see’s why the forum gets a bad name, people like you pal. I can take banter, some disagreeing with an opinion but I can’t accept person saying I’m acting a charade, I’m lier and I know nothing. Whilst saying all this behind a user name, that’s too easy. So we have a moderator on this forum, Gashead81. He will vouch I have been in Wael Al Qadi’s box this season with my guest from one of the biggest global on line business in the world, did I not introduce you to him Steve? This guy says I’m not friends with Wael, I would say any man who rings or texts every day 2 weeks ago whilst I was in hospital is a good man and friend to see how I was. I’m not saying Wael and the board are perfect, better due dillegence on the UWE, yes. Better PR, yes but give the man the benefit of the doubt and let’s see what happens in the next 6 months. I speak from the angle of meeting the man and he is a big fan now. I have invited Steve Gashead81 on my table for the 1883 awards night on the 10th April, if you are there Ross drop me a line and happy to meet you. Where to begin with this one. Mods such as Gashead81 should take note of that last sentence, sure that’ll violate a few t&c’s. I won’t bring it down to that level so will leave it at this a public forum, it isn’t personal to me. On platforms such as this you should know people will have other opinions, if you don’t like debate or alternative opinions a public forum isn’t the place for you. Perhaps start a blog and disable the comments. Back to the thread. In this very thread you have contradicted yourself a number of times. Claiming that ‘Wael is in it for the long term’ only to follow it up a few pages later with you expect the next 6 months to bring new investors, so which one is it? Unless you believe people would give Wael money for absolutely nothing in return. For years people have cropped up and spouted crap across the forums about stadium plans coming to fruition, American owners etc and nothing has ever come true (even the AQ takeover came out of nowhere), so forgive me if I’m sceptical when people such as yourself claim to be ‘in the know’. Maybe I come across brash but all I want is the best for the club. Ambition from the fanbase as a whole and not to accept the mediocrity that we’re constantly fed. I want us to be a fan owned self sustaining club, slowly building our infrastructure (like Exeter) OR have owners who show abit of ambition and investment. Surely that isn’t too much to ask, or too hard to understand. I’m sure Wael is a decent enough guy, again it’s nothing personal that I don’t like Dwane Sports owning our club, I don’t know him from Adam, I just don’t think he will invest any real cash to see us progress. This is backed up by his interviews and lack of progress off the field, training ground etc. Add to this the dubious hiring of Martin Starnes, saying funding for training ground isn’t an issue yet no progress being made in years, Starnes doing an interview saying Wael would refuse crowdfunding or outside investment.. etc, can you see why I’m sceptical? Progress has been made since they bought our club, commercially and especially in our community work - which is ace - as are the small stadium improvements and purchase of land for a training ground (appears dead in the water), but as stated by someone else in this thread the state things were left in by Higgs and Co realistically anything would’ve been an improvement (new hairdryers and all), we were / still are stuck in the 80’s as a club infrastructure wise. Some fans appear to be stuck in that old school mentality as well, and we will be left behind. Also as pointed out by someone a few pages back, in this interview Wael has now ruled out the redevelopment of the Mem, contradicting a previous interview he gave Twentyman. Another concern for the average fan like myself, who has no ‘insider knowledge’ and doesn’t attend matches in box 1. It’s no wonder so many in my position have packed it in all together, when just being sceptical or concerned with what is happening right before our eyes to the club is met with such outbursts and contempt. Perhaps I should take you up on the offer after all and you can give me some of the Kool-Aid.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 15, 2019 6:21:08 GMT
Some right belters on here at the moment, some people should take a long hard look at some of these posts on here and treat them for what they are - OPINIONS !
For what its worth i believe Wael + Family are trying very hard to achieve what we ALL want and that is a sustainable club which can challenge at a higher level
Just look how long it took Brighton to get there fabulous Stadium complex - 10 Years FFS
Now just sit back and enjoy the ride and support OUR team in any way you can
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 7:03:21 GMT
Some right belters on here at the moment, some people should take a long hard look at some of these posts on here and treat them for what they are - OPINIONS ! For what its worth i believe Wael + Family are trying very hard to achieve what we ALL want and that is a sustainable club which can challenge at a higher level Just look how long it took Brighton to get there fabulous Stadium complex - 10 Years FFS Now just sit back and enjoy the ride and support OUR team in any way you can Spot on Henbury and well said. Ross you have said the forum is about opinions, I’m sorry so your opinion of ME is I’m acting a charade and I don’t know Wael or anything more than anyone else on this, you’ve put it in writing above mate, read your own words. So this isn’t about having a opinion on a subject or view, this is about a person. I am sorry I had to bring a mod into this but I only did to prove I wasn’t lying because of your very own statements re me. You say I contradict myself, well if someone like Bill Gates who Wael meets says I’m sorry mate but you can’t keep 10, 20, 30, 40% of your sharehaolder then he is stumped. But his long term aim is to bring in investment and stay on board, he might only want to relinquish 20% for himself for all I know as he might have found his own funding elsewhere but needs a bridge loan etc. All I did was take someone to him who helps sponsor one or the biggest sporting teams in the world and is looking to invest or buy a football club outright. From these meetings I’ve got to know Wael and can call him a friend and I’ve realised he has the clubs best interests at heart. Has he made mistakes, yes, but all I started out saying at the start was “give him the benefit of the doubt for a while” Sorry any grammar or spelling mistakes, just in a rush
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Post by matealotblue on Mar 15, 2019 7:04:54 GMT
When you read about the recent issues at Oldham and the Scholes resignation, plus recent events at Blackpool, we seem to be doing ok........!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 7:06:54 GMT
When you read about the recent issues at Oldham and the Scholes resignation, plus recent events at Blackpool, we seem to be doing ok........! I thought the same as you last night and Wael was meeting DC yesterday for a catch up in Somerset as they are friends still. Can’t see Scholes meeting up with the Oldham man in the future!
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 15, 2019 7:09:29 GMT
Some right belters on here at the moment, some people should take a long hard look at some of these posts on here and treat them for what they are - OPINIONS ! For what its worth i believe Wael + Family are trying very hard to achieve what we ALL want and that is a sustainable club which can challenge at a higher level Just look how long it took Brighton to get there fabulous Stadium complex - 10 Years FFS Now just sit back and enjoy the ride and support OUR team in any way you can 10 years,there the lucky ones we’ve been waiting 40 The only belters are the ones that listen to the bs the owners have been feeding us,luckily the fans are loyal else this club would be gone by now Thanks for the new bar and sausage rolls Time to go
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 15, 2019 7:21:08 GMT
If the kids are united, we can never be divided.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 15, 2019 7:31:49 GMT
Just listened to the first 15-20 minutes of the interview thus far, and I was pleased to hear the communication on most of it. I've not been happy with the communication generally over the last 18 months or so, but any communication is good so I have to thank Wael for that.
I've just come to the point where Wael repeatedly upon questioning from GT stated that the training ground is on hold as it's tied to the stadium project. He would not go into details but stated it wasn't a location issue, nor a financial issue, nor a commitment issue. Well what on earth is the actual issue then? Can anyone enlighten me? This is the big red flag in my eyes as the training ground development in my opinion should be going ahead regardless of the stadium situation especially if finance is not an issue. It simply doesn't make sense otherwise, or am I not seeing something?
Anyways, I will continue listening now...
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 15, 2019 7:37:21 GMT
Just listened to the first 15-20 minutes of the interview thus far, and I was pleased to hear the communication on most of it. I've not been happy with the communication generally over the last 18 months or so, but any communication is good so I have to thank Wael for that. I've just come to the point where Wael repeatedly upon questioning from GT stated that the training ground is on hold as it's tied to the stadium project. He would not go into details but stated it wasn't a location issue, nor a financial issue, nor a commitment issue. Well what on earth is the actual issue then? Can anyone enlighten me? This is the big red flag in my eyes as the training ground development in my opinion should be going ahead regardless of the stadium situation especially if finance is not an issue. It simply doesn't make sense otherwise, or am I not seeing something? Anyways, I will continue listening now... A political issue? Maybe the Colony site is a bargaining chip that is giving leverage to some other aspect of the new site negotiations in some way?
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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2019 7:42:01 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised at some of the views on here following Wael's interview.
I've vocally spoke out on here against the owners & even challenged Roady earlier on this thread about it. Having said that, I don't think anyone can deny that this was Wael's most open interview that he's done so far.
People want Wael to tell us about the stadium & ownership of the club, he actually did this time (rather than "we're looking at all options") and yet people are still moaning. Why? Because they didn't like the answers? I'm not really sure what you want...
I don't really see how people think he was dodging questions either, the only one where it didn't really add up was the training ground. I had a chat with my dad on the phone after and we theorise that the owners simply won't build a training ground unless the stadium is confirmed or unless they're bought out as after all, does it represent investment back to them if they sold the club? Probably not.
In my mind, this also confirmed the rumours from Knowall previously (IMO). It matches the rumours that a construction company was looking to either buy the Mem or take over the club. It seems the impasse in the end was like Wael said, it's hard without planning permission - do you buy the land first or go for the planning permission first? The fact this came up a couple of times hints to me that this is an issue right now with potential sites & current Mem.
Ultimately, it all depends on whether you believe Wael. I've never thought him to be a liar, more that he just won't tell you what's actually happening (EG, it took GT last night to actually push the reason why UWE fell through, rather than telling us this information).
It sounds to me that something positive is happening in the background at least - whether that be new owners/investment/stadium.
I'm not a happy clapper or rose tinter - far from it, but this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 15, 2019 7:45:00 GMT
Just listened to the first 15-20 minutes of the interview thus far, and I was pleased to hear the communication on most of it. I've not been happy with the communication generally over the last 18 months or so, but any communication is good so I have to thank Wael for that. I've just come to the point where Wael repeatedly upon questioning from GT stated that the training ground is on hold as it's tied to the stadium project. He would not go into details but stated it wasn't a location issue, nor a financial issue, nor a commitment issue. Well what on earth is the actual issue then? Can anyone enlighten me? This is the big red flag in my eyes as the training ground development in my opinion should be going ahead regardless of the stadium situation especially if finance is not an issue. It simply doesn't make sense otherwise, or am I not seeing something? Anyways, I will continue listening now... Maybe we are trying to get planning application to build a load of houses on it so we can sell it at a large profit........
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 8:03:14 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised at some of the views on here following Wael's interview. I've vocally spoke out on here against the owners & even challenged Roady earlier on this thread about it. Having said that, I don't think anyone can deny that this was Wael's most open interview that he's done so far. People want Wael to tell us about the stadium & ownership of the club, he actually did this time (rather than "we're looking at all options") and yet people are still moaning. Why? Because they didn't like the answers? I'm not really sure what you want... I don't really see how people think he was dodging questions either, the only one where it didn't really add up was the training ground. I had a chat with my dad on the phone after and we theorise that the owners simply won't build a training ground unless the stadium is confirmed or unless they're bought out as after all, does it represent investment back to them if they sold the club? Probably not. In my mind, this also confirmed the rumours from Knowall previously (IMO). It matches the rumours that a construction company was looking to either buy the Mem or take over the club. It seems the impasse in the end was like Wael said, it's hard without planning permission - do you buy the land first or go for the planning permission first? The fact this came up a couple of times hints to me that this is an issue right now with potential sites & current Mem. Ultimately, it all depends on whether you believe Wael. I've never thought him to be a liar, more that he just won't tell you what's actually happening (EG, it took GT last night to actually push the reason why UWE fell through, rather than telling us this information). It sounds to me that something positive is happening in the background at least - whether that be new owners/investment/stadium. I'm not a happy clapper or rose tinter - far from it, but this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward The most balanced post on this thread and probably nearer the truth and reality to everything. Mistakes have been made but let’s give them the benefit of the doubt, he never had to go on the radio and did.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 15, 2019 8:12:19 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised at some of the views on here following Wael's interview. I've vocally spoke out on here against the owners & even challenged Roady earlier on this thread about it. Having said that, I don't think anyone can deny that this was Wael's most open interview that he's done so far. People want Wael to tell us about the stadium & ownership of the club, he actually did this time (rather than "we're looking at all options") and yet people are still moaning. Why? Because they didn't like the answers? I'm not really sure what you want... I don't really see how people think he was dodging questions either, the only one where it didn't really add up was the training ground. I had a chat with my dad on the phone after and we theorise that the owners simply won't build a training ground unless the stadium is confirmed or unless they're bought out as after all, does it represent investment back to them if they sold the club? Probably not. In my mind, this also confirmed the rumours from Knowall previously (IMO). It matches the rumours that a construction company was looking to either buy the Mem or take over the club. It seems the impasse in the end was like Wael said, it's hard without planning permission - do you buy the land first or go for the planning permission first? The fact this came up a couple of times hints to me that this is an issue right now with potential sites & current Mem. Ultimately, it all depends on whether you believe Wael. I've never thought him to be a liar, more that he just won't tell you what's actually happening (EG, it took GT last night to actually push the reason why UWE fell through, rather than telling us this information). It sounds to me that something positive is happening in the background at least - whether that be new owners/investment/stadium. I'm not a happy clapper or rose tinter - far from it, but this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward Quality Post sir !
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Post by Jomo on Mar 15, 2019 8:18:03 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised at some of the views on here following Wael's interview. I've vocally spoke out on here against the owners & even challenged Roady earlier on this thread about it. Having said that, I don't think anyone can deny that this was Wael's most open interview that he's done so far. People want Wael to tell us about the stadium & ownership of the club, he actually did this time (rather than "we're looking at all options") and yet people are still moaning. Why? Because they didn't like the answers? I'm not really sure what you want... I don't really see how people think he was dodging questions either, the only one where it didn't really add up was the training ground. I had a chat with my dad on the phone after and we theorise that the owners simply won't build a training ground unless the stadium is confirmed or unless they're bought out as after all, does it represent investment back to them if they sold the club? Probably not. In my mind, this also confirmed the rumours from Knowall previously (IMO). It matches the rumours that a construction company was looking to either buy the Mem or take over the club. It seems the impasse in the end was like Wael said, it's hard without planning permission - do you buy the land first or go for the planning permission first? The fact this came up a couple of times hints to me that this is an issue right now with potential sites & current Mem. Ultimately, it all depends on whether you believe Wael. I've never thought him to be a liar, more that he just won't tell you what's actually happening (EG, it took GT last night to actually push the reason why UWE fell through, rather than telling us this information). It sounds to me that something positive is happening in the background at least - whether that be new owners/investment/stadium. I'm not a happy clapper or rose tinter - far from it, but this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward Great post Gassy, my thoughts also. I have been critical of the owners in recent months, but credit where credit is due, a great interview by GT, and some interesting information from Wael. Can't grumble too much about that and I sincerely hope we get another similar interview in the summer to provide us an update.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 8:26:24 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised at some of the views on here following Wael's interview. I've vocally spoke out on here against the owners & even challenged Roady earlier on this thread about it. Having said that, I don't think anyone can deny that this was Wael's most open interview that he's done so far. People want Wael to tell us about the stadium & ownership of the club, he actually did this time (rather than "we're looking at all options") and yet people are still moaning. Why? Because they didn't like the answers? I'm not really sure what you want... I don't really see how people think he was dodging questions either, the only one where it didn't really add up was the training ground. I had a chat with my dad on the phone after and we theorise that the owners simply won't build a training ground unless the stadium is confirmed or unless they're bought out as after all, does it represent investment back to them if they sold the club? Probably not. In my mind, this also confirmed the rumours from Knowall previously (IMO). It matches the rumours that a construction company was looking to either buy the Mem or take over the club. It seems the impasse in the end was like Wael said, it's hard without planning permission - do you buy the land first or go for the planning permission first? The fact this came up a couple of times hints to me that this is an issue right now with potential sites & current Mem. Ultimately, it all depends on whether you believe Wael. I've never thought him to be a liar, more that he just won't tell you what's actually happening (EG, it took GT last night to actually push the reason why UWE fell through, rather than telling us this information). It sounds to me that something positive is happening in the background at least - whether that be new owners/investment/stadium. I'm not a happy clapper or rose tinter - far from it, but this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward Great post Gassy. As others have said the most balanced post on here and my thoughts exactly.
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Post by markczgas on Mar 15, 2019 8:44:04 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised at some of the views on here following Wael's interview. I've vocally spoke out on here against the owners & even challenged Roady earlier on this thread about it. Having said that, I don't think anyone can deny that this was Wael's most open interview that he's done so far. People want Wael to tell us about the stadium & ownership of the club, he actually did this time (rather than "we're looking at all options") and yet people are still moaning. Why? Because they didn't like the answers? I'm not really sure what you want... I don't really see how people think he was dodging questions either, the only one where it didn't really add up was the training ground. I had a chat with my dad on the phone after and we theorise that the owners simply won't build a training ground unless the stadium is confirmed or unless they're bought out as after all, does it represent investment back to them if they sold the club? Probably not. In my mind, this also confirmed the rumours from Knowall previously (IMO). It matches the rumours that a construction company was looking to either buy the Mem or take over the club. It seems the impasse in the end was like Wael said, it's hard without planning permission - do you buy the land first or go for the planning permission first? The fact this came up a couple of times hints to me that this is an issue right now with potential sites & current Mem. Ultimately, it all depends on whether you believe Wael. I've never thought him to be a liar, more that he just won't tell you what's actually happening (EG, it took GT last night to actually push the reason why UWE fell through, rather than telling us this information). It sounds to me that something positive is happening in the background at least - whether that be new owners/investment/stadium. I'm not a happy clapper or rose tinter - far from it, but this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward So Gassy, do you feel reassured about matters ? Are you excited about the future (with the current leadership ) ? What can you tell your non-Gashead mates is going to happen to our fine club ? in the next 2, 5, 10 years ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2019 8:54:37 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised at some of the views on here following Wael's interview. I've vocally spoke out on here against the owners & even challenged Roady earlier on this thread about it. Having said that, I don't think anyone can deny that this was Wael's most open interview that he's done so far. People want Wael to tell us about the stadium & ownership of the club, he actually did this time (rather than "we're looking at all options") and yet people are still moaning. Why? Because they didn't like the answers? I'm not really sure what you want... I don't really see how people think he was dodging questions either, the only one where it didn't really add up was the training ground. I had a chat with my dad on the phone after and we theorise that the owners simply won't build a training ground unless the stadium is confirmed or unless they're bought out as after all, does it represent investment back to them if they sold the club? Probably not. In my mind, this also confirmed the rumours from Knowall previously (IMO). It matches the rumours that a construction company was looking to either buy the Mem or take over the club. It seems the impasse in the end was like Wael said, it's hard without planning permission - do you buy the land first or go for the planning permission first? The fact this came up a couple of times hints to me that this is an issue right now with potential sites & current Mem. Ultimately, it all depends on whether you believe Wael. I've never thought him to be a liar, more that he just won't tell you what's actually happening (EG, it took GT last night to actually push the reason why UWE fell through, rather than telling us this information). It sounds to me that something positive is happening in the background at least - whether that be new owners/investment/stadium. I'm not a happy clapper or rose tinter - far from it, but this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward It sounded the opposite to me, it sounds like since the UWE collapse we've done nothing but look for alternative investors, there no real plans for a new stadium nor where it will be built just it seems plans to sell the Mem for re-development (the one point Wael seemed worryingly confident on!). As far as posters saying we're fortunate we're not another Blackpool or Oldham that's just two clubs out of 90 plus a dozen sell run National League clubs. The way things stand I can see another 5 years with nothing happening on the stadium front, will Hani really fund another £5m/£10m of debts over that time or bail out whilst there's still some equity in the Mem?
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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2019 8:58:43 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised at some of the views on here following Wael's interview. I've vocally spoke out on here against the owners & even challenged Roady earlier on this thread about it. Having said that, I don't think anyone can deny that this was Wael's most open interview that he's done so far. People want Wael to tell us about the stadium & ownership of the club, he actually did this time (rather than "we're looking at all options") and yet people are still moaning. Why? Because they didn't like the answers? I'm not really sure what you want... I don't really see how people think he was dodging questions either, the only one where it didn't really add up was the training ground. I had a chat with my dad on the phone after and we theorise that the owners simply won't build a training ground unless the stadium is confirmed or unless they're bought out as after all, does it represent investment back to them if they sold the club? Probably not. In my mind, this also confirmed the rumours from Knowall previously (IMO). It matches the rumours that a construction company was looking to either buy the Mem or take over the club. It seems the impasse in the end was like Wael said, it's hard without planning permission - do you buy the land first or go for the planning permission first? The fact this came up a couple of times hints to me that this is an issue right now with potential sites & current Mem. Ultimately, it all depends on whether you believe Wael. I've never thought him to be a liar, more that he just won't tell you what's actually happening (EG, it took GT last night to actually push the reason why UWE fell through, rather than telling us this information). It sounds to me that something positive is happening in the background at least - whether that be new owners/investment/stadium. I'm not a happy clapper or rose tinter - far from it, but this was at least some news that showed me we're actually trying something to move forward So Gassy, do you feel reassured about matters ? Are you excited about the future (with the current leadership ) ? What can you tell your non-Gashead mates is going to happen to our fine club ? in the next 2, 5, 10 years ? I do feel more reassured, yes. I can honestly say I feel more excited/confident about that future than I did before the interview. What would I tell them my friends? In all honesty, knowing me I'd probably say "It looks like something is moving forward in the club but knowing us we'll be relegated to the conference in back to back relegations" I don't know where we'll be in 2, 5, 10 years - do Man Utd? Whilst we need a plan, you can't categorically say where we'll be. Spurs thought they'd be in a new stadium by now & look how that turned out. I personally think we'll have an update before the start of next season, whether that will be we've found a site, investment, takeover - who knows. Please note that this is an uneducated guess reading between the lines of last night's interview though.
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