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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Jun 12, 2019 16:39:00 GMT
Probably waited untill he booked it, then set the date for the meeting.... Don't blame him, I would have done the same. i know facts don't feature high but just for info the date of the Limited Company AGM has been known for sometime, indeed I was asked if I wanted to go at last game of the season as a proxy for a shareholder.....
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Post by Gassy on Jun 12, 2019 16:44:17 GMT
Drives me mad.
CertIn people on here demanding answers & future strategies of where the club is going. Those same people were at the AGM last night.
One of them, beginning with K I asked him twice if he will be asking Wael the the future holds. I was ignored both times while he posted something else.
The same people then come on here with absolute dismay that Wael didn’t say about the future strategy of the club. And just to top it off, they make a suggestion that Wael made a promise to answer questions on Twitter & to get others to do it.
You couldn’t make it up at times I swear
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 16:49:49 GMT
Sounds like the last days of the Roman Empire to me. It's slowly but surely falling apart. Such an unfortunate coincidence that Mr Hamer booked his holiday the same week as the AGM. Ah well, these things happen. We’ve just signed 3 players and more coming in and on the pitch I think we will have the best season in Div1 for a long time. I honestly think Cogs can get us into the top 10. Hamer wasn’t there in my opinion because he’s not wanted there. He wasn’t at the EFL summit because he was banned from it and let’s not forget he wasn’t just sacked by Swansea, he was kicked out and banned. The man has been spreading rumours and I don’t know why they can’t get rid of him but he’s on borrowed time. I trust Martin Starnes, he’s not a novice at this job and it’s again obvious he’s been brought in to do a job Hamer couldn’t. As for the SC, it’s an old boys club with no ambition. The man running doesn’t even do social media or have an email account. I repeat and I can saying it, I saw these Offensive for what they were for the day Mansfield beat us. If we were a Wrexham today and in our 7th season in the Conference, Chappel, Masters and the rest of the committee would still be as they are now. Look at this, not a person under 30 on it and the website as well bristolroverssc.co.uk/committee/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 16:57:44 GMT
So it appears it’s a case of the usual huff and puff but no blowing the house down.
Is now the time for us to realise that ken and Jim are archaic and unfit to represent the WHOLE fan base, 81 made a good comment about the type of crowd that were present, football has moved on past the white Middle Ages man being the only people that watch and they should be working with the club to bring on the next generation.
Instead what we have are whispers,hear say and drip fed info. I know for a fact that ken tells people that the CEO isn’t a “Rovers Man” id ask for anyone to explain how this is progressive for the club and how it builds a good relationship with the BOD to help move the club forward?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jun 12, 2019 17:02:48 GMT
Can i just say, having been 'used' in the past (to my regret), there is always someone within our ranks whether they be board members, supporters et al who spins rumour/conjecture/concerns as part of an agenda. It's not even sometimes 'their' agenda. Although there is sometimes some truth in some of it it is interwebbed with spin to serve someone else's purpose. I was used for this purpose a few years back and although the take-over did take place i have to say the main purpose of me being drip fed information (most of which was in fact someones opinion and not necessarily the full facts) was to disrupt or push out the then current board. At the time i was not comfortable with it and anyone who knows me at all knows that caused me anxiety and even made me feel not only embarrassed but also a bit of shame. My advice to anyone who is told something is be very wary why they are sharing information with you and for what purpose because although at the time it seems in good faith it normally has a personal agenda attached to it or is third hand information that has been shall we say embellished to suit someone elses needs, which i find out of order. Believe me, someone always thinks they know something but it is rarely the whole truth. I think the same is happening again and if i'm honest i wouldn't know who to fully trust anymore which is why if i'm told something by someone who says 'Keep it to yourself' i stop them mid-sentence and say 'i'm not interested and don't want to know'.
I now think the devil should do his own work, the real people spreading stuff always seem to hide when it counts and always cover their ass. And in my opinion they shouldn't be trusted. Sad to say i think there a few dark forces within our ranks.
Lastly, i know everyone wants to know everything NOW nowadays and can't resist a good rumour, but i can tell you Don't get involved if you want to continue to enjoy your club play football because it totally ruins it, well it did for me. Hope you read this in the spirit it was written.
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Jun 12, 2019 17:04:52 GMT
I'd be interested to know why when the previous owners were racking up REAL debt hardly anyone appeared to give a damn which is amazing considering a good deal of it was external debt over which the owner had no control.
Further the real debt had a interest rate far higher than is being 'charged' by the current owner, and worse was being rolled up ie interest was being charged on the interest every month that debt was in place for example turning £2m loan into 2.4 million real debt in one year - note lack of ' around debt.
The ' or not around the word debt is important. Our current owner holds 94% give or take of shares and the 'debt' is in reality the way the funding from the family via Dwayne Sports is investing money into the club. It is no more a debt than were Nick Higgs enormous share purchases and, as with Higgs, pretty irrelevant until they dont want to be owners anymore.
Dont get me wrong Im sure the family (and Higgs) wished we were not making losses! Higgs started off with directors loans then introduced money via share rights issues or share purchases and if you think he wasnt either going to get his @£7m back either by getting someone to buy his shares or leaving the football club retaining ownership of the Mem your pretty deluded...
In reality the family could have put £x in Bristol Rovers bank account and kept issuing share rights offers to avoid diluting their holding, knowing no one else would take up the option, and their increased financial 'share' of the club would have been largely invisible.
By doing this via Dwayne Sports, it obviously suits them from a finance and tax point of view (see alos defraying costs of part of their office in London) but mainly isnt it more open and visible to all.
Its certainly very easy to make mischief from the financial structure being adopted by a family who have forgotten more about how to use money effectively across ALL of their assets for the benefit of ALL of their businesses.
But bringing me back to my opening comment, folk are more worried about a debt which isnt really a debt, because its clearer and more transparent than the approach used by the last owner, it is solely an internal debt matter for the AQs group of companies, and in reality the respective worse outcome is no different whether either Higgs or AQs decided to sell and couldnt find a buyer...
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Jun 12, 2019 17:10:42 GMT
oh and by the way, dont knock the Supporters Clubs age gender and ethnicity, unless your wanting to step up. They've been pleading for helpers/ committee members and couldnt give a damn if you are skyblue pink, 16 or 102, or gender neutral.
If you want the SC to be different -get involved. You'll be pushing against an open door in the main, albeit there maybe a view hearts and minds that need to be taken with you.
I am now again 'leaving the building' so doont bother replying to any of the above -open a new post!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 17:15:26 GMT
Can i just say, having been 'used' in the past (to my regret), there is always someone within our ranks whether they be board members, supporters et al who spins rumour/conjecture/concerns as part of an agenda. It's not even sometimes 'their' agenda. Although there is sometimes some truth in some of it it is interwebbed with spin to serve someone else's purpose. I was used for this purpose a few years back and although the take-over did take place i have to say the main purpose of me being drip fed information (most of which was in fact someones opinion and not necessarily the full facts) was to disrupt or push out the then current board. At the time i was not comfortable with it and anyone who knows me at all knows that caused me anxiety and even made me feel not only embarrassed but also a bit of shame. My advice to anyone who is told something is be very wary why they are sharing information with you and for what purpose because although at the time it seems in good faith it normally has a personal agenda attached to it or is third hand information that has been shall we say embellished to suit someone elses needs, which i find out of order. Believe me, someone always thinks they know something but it is rarely the whole truth. I think the same is happening again and if i'm honest i wouldn't know who to fully trust anymore which is why if i'm told something by someone who says 'Keep it to yourself' i stop them mid-sentence and say 'i'm not interested and don't want to know'.
I now think the devil should do his own work, the real people spreading stuff always seem to hide when it counts and always cover their ass. And in my opinion they shouldn't be trusted. Sad to say i think there a few dark forces within our ranks.
Lastly, i know everyone wants to know everything NOW nowadays and can't resist a good rumour, but i can tell you Don't get involved if you want to continue to enjoy your club play football because it totally ruins it, well it did for me. Hope you read this in the spirit it was written.
A very good post
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 12, 2019 17:17:02 GMT
Yes the losses were worrying but the majority of those losses were 27 senior pros, 30 odd under 23’s + the staff that DC wanted. The family gave him everything with the aim of competing at the sharp end of the league. There will be a change to that this year.
There is a strategy at play and that strategy is clearly the new stadium. But they cannot elaborate on detail officially because clearly there is some sensitivity around it.
The SC clearly does not support this board and has no intention to. In my opinion they would be better off selling their shares either back to the club or to a new supporters club who would be prepared to work with them and offer some kind of modern dynamic to its running.
I’m willing to bet Mr Chappell, Masters and co think far too much of their own egos than to think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 17:30:32 GMT
Drives me mad. CertIn people on here demanding answers & future strategies of where the club is going. Those same people were at the AGM last night. One of them, beginning with K I asked him twice if he will be asking Wael the the future holds. I was ignored both times while he posted something else. The same people then come on here with absolute dismay that Wael didn’t say about the future strategy of the club. And just to top it off, they make a suggestion that Wael made a promise to answer questions on Twitter & to get others to do it. You couldn’t make it up at times I swear Knowall is a fraud
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Post by zulugas on Jun 12, 2019 18:16:05 GMT
Dear All, just to clarify last nights AGM was the share holders meeting and nothing to do with the SC. There were SC members at the meeting but in their capacity as SC board member or they own club shares (not to be confused with the sharesave scheme which is something else).
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 12, 2019 19:01:17 GMT
Dear All, just to clarify last nights AGM was the share holders meeting and nothing to do with the SC. There were SC members at the meeting but in their capacity as SC board member or they own club shares (not to be confused with the sharesave scheme which is something else). Correct, but the trouble makers stem from the SC and they were also the most prominent voices shouting about last night.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 19:54:38 GMT
Drives me mad. CertIn people on here demanding answers & future strategies of where the club is going. Those same people were at the AGM last night. One of them, beginning with K I asked him twice if he will be asking Wael the the future holds. I was ignored both times while he posted something else. The same people then come on here with absolute dismay that Wael didn’t say about the future strategy of the club. And just to top it off, they make a suggestion that Wael made a promise to answer questions on Twitter & to get others to do it. You couldn’t make it up at times I swear Brilliant post, brilliant. Here is Wael’s future strategy and I haven’t spoken to the bloke but let’s pretend I am him for some fun.............”we are hoping on the field to produce a Division 1 football team with the help of Graham Coughlan that can challenge for promotion playing winning entertaining football. We also hope to see players come into the first team from the youth team and be a club where we attract young talent and be trusted by parents to allow their children to join our teams..........off the field we are striving to improve all commercial aspects of the club and we are making progress in these areas as you will see. We know the current stadium is not really suited for sustained Championship football and potential future Premiership football in the future, a dream of every club outside the top 18 clubs in the country currently. With this in mind we are still working hard and striving to find ourselves a solution to give Bristol Rovers and it’s fans a new home to play football in. We know this is essential to the clubs existence and ambition to reach higher heights in football in this country and I assure everyone personally that I am doing my upmost to achieve this united goal” I reckon this is pretty much Wael’s strategy
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2019 20:16:38 GMT
Drives me mad. CertIn people on here demanding answers & future strategies of where the club is going. Those same people were at the AGM last night. One of them, beginning with K I asked him twice if he will be asking Wael the the future holds. I was ignored both times while he posted something else. The same people then come on here with absolute dismay that Wael didn’t say about the future strategy of the club. And just to top it off, they make a suggestion that Wael made a promise to answer questions on Twitter & to get others to do it. You couldn’t make it up at times I swear Brilliant post, brilliant. Here is Wael’s future strategy and I haven’t spoken to the bloke but let’s pretend I am him for some fun.............”we are hoping on the field to produce a Division 1 football team with the help of Graham Coughlan that can challenge for promotion playing winning entertaining football. We also hope to see players come into the first team from the youth team and be a club where we attract young talent and be trusted by parents to allow their children to join our teams..........off the field we are striving to improve all commercial aspects of the club and we are making progress in these areas as you will see. We know the current stadium is not really suited for sustained Championship football and potential future Premiership football in the future, a dream of every club outside the top 18 clubs in the country currently. With this in mind we are still working hard and striving to find ourselves a solution to give Bristol Rovers and it’s fans a new home to play football in. We know this is essential to the clubs existence and ambition to reach higher heights in football in this country and I assure everyone personally that I am doing my upmost to achieve this united goal” I reckon this is pretty much Wael’s strategy Problem is that he's been saying that for 3 years and seemingly getting nowhere fast plus if he ever finds suitable land does he have the financial backing to actually deliver a new stadium? Meanwhile debts are starting to run out of control and there's a danger they'll sink the club in the next year or two. The SC and PC members seem to have finally lost faith in Wael, it's time they told fans why, or pretty soon we'll have lose faith in them.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 12, 2019 20:20:36 GMT
Roady I rarely post on these internal-club/ itk/ conspiracy threads because all I do is drive up, go in the bars for a drink, talk to people, watch the football, cheer and go home. In short I know sod all about the internal politics of the club. I hope you are right and what you suppose is Wael’s strategy is indeed what he is trying to do. But if it was then all he needed to do over the past two years was communicate with the fans. He didn’t need to give us all the info, he didn’t need to break confidential agreements, he didn’t need to build the new ground or anything else immediately but regular communication setting out his intentions and how they were progressing generally would have been enough for the large majority of the fan base I would have thought. As it is his silence over months have perhaps engendered a sense of frustration and fear over the future. I’m not expecting millions to be spent or someone to magic stuff out of a hat but a simple means of communication would have gone a long way to placating and reassuring fans imo. I hope you are right and I’ve enjoyed reading your posts esp as I know nothing about the stuff you talk about. All I care about is BRFC and it’s future, hopefully a successful one. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 20:26:00 GMT
Topper mate, I think on the pitch we retained Div1 status and we are going for it again this season. One box ticked
Stadium, all this funding and that, you are now on lap 15 of your merry go round speculating. They are in talks with investors and are actively looking for a new ground, let’s see what they do.
Please stop making me cry with laughter, I beg you PLEASE. The SC and PC have lost faith in Wael 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 What the Fans Director and PC who majority of the time can’t even get anywhere near the man of the match award right?! I’m not worried a load of 60 plus year olds have lost faith in him, the same lot never lost faith in the board after the Mansfield game so why should we worry if they have actually lost faith now in Div1?!?!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 20:35:16 GMT
Roady I rarely post on these internal-club/ itk/ conspiracy threads because all I do is drive up, go in the bars for a drink, talk to people, watch the football, cheer and go home. In short I know sod all about the internal politics of the club. I hope you are right and what you suppose is Wael’s strategy is indeed what he is trying to do. But if it was then all he needed to do over the past two years was communicate with the fans. He didn’t need to give us all the info, he didn’t need to break confidential agreements, he didn’t need to build the new ground or anything else immediately but regular communication setting out his intentions and how they were progressing generally would have been enough for the large majority of the fan base I would have thought. As it is his silence over months have perhaps engendered a sense of frustration and fear over the future. I’m not expecting millions to be spent or someone to magic stuff out of a hat but a simple means of communication would have gone a long way to placating and reassuring fans imo. I hope you are right and I’ve enjoyed reading your posts esp as I know nothing about the stuff you talk about. All I care about is BRFC and it’s future, hopefully a successful one. UTG! I am exactly the same as you, a 200 mile round trip for 23 home games of the season and 80% of the away games. I have supported us for 34 years, Dunford, Craig, Higgs, Al Qadi, all in terrible facilities, before Wael we had multi millionaires who couldn’t but a plot of land. I love going with my Dad and seeing my mates, I am enthused by the 3 signings already. What can we all do with this speculating and do I really want to go to Elland Road at £29 a ticket and lose 4-0 most weeks in the league? The man south of the river lost £25 million last season having a go at it!!! I say give Wael the benefit of the doubt, if we ever hit admin, take the 12 points deduction and we’ve faced the conference before. But my main point is and still is, if people are that worried then form a protest group and committee. I can’t wait for the season to start, can’t wait for the 6ft 6 bald man to sign this week, spoke to Jonno as well in Dubai, he said he’s hearing we are really active all over the transfer market.
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 12, 2019 20:52:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 21:25:03 GMT
What we needed last night was an apology at the start for the delay in getting the accounts ready, a strategy about the stadium, training ground, cost management and ongoing financial commitment from the majority shareholder, and a properly chaired meeting ensuring no one from the floor dominated questions.
What we got was no apology, no auditors in attendance to explain the delays because they were going to charge too much, nothing from Wael apart from a desperate plea at the end that we are ‘one family’, and a chairman who left before the end of the meeting to get back to London, and let one individual make a fool of himself with a succession of claims about financial mismanagement which he then could not substantiate to Martin Starnes.
It was the most amateurish and toxic AGM of any company I’ve ever attended. Hamer was on holiday with his wife who apparently is very unwell so we should cut him some slack (he wouldn’t have done any better at chairing the meeting anyway). Mike Turner claims not to be conflicted as a partner at Taylor Wessing, Director of BRFC, acting for Dwayne Sports who are his clients, and his firm receiving fees as BRFC Company Secretary but failing (apparently) to provide the SC Share Scheme with certificates for the past three years. Ken Masters sat at the top table and said virtually nothing, and he is the only voice we shareholders have on that board.
Overall very poor communication. At least the q&a afterwards with Tommy and Jo was a lot more informative.
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Post by aghast on Jun 12, 2019 21:28:22 GMT
I don't understand why, if Steve Hamer is so toxic, they don't just sack him?
So he's got a contract of employment. Nothing new there.
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