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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 22:50:31 GMT
Sounds like the last days of the Roman Empire to me. It's slowly but surely falling apart. Such an unfortunate coincidence that Mr Hamer booked his holiday the same week as the AGM. Ah well, these things happen. We’ve just signed 3 players and more coming in and on the pitch I think we will have the best season in Div1 for a long time. I honestly think Cogs can get us into the top 10. Hamer wasn’t there in my opinion because he’s not wanted there. He wasn’t at the EFL summit because he was banned from it and let’s not forget he wasn’t just sacked by Swansea, he was kicked out and banned. The man has been spreading rumours and I don’t know why they can’t get rid of him but he’s on borrowed time. I trust Martin Starnes, he’s not a novice at this job and it’s again obvious he’s been brought in to do a job Hamer couldn’t. As for the SC, it’s an old boys club with no ambition. The man running doesn’t even do social media or have an email account. I repeat and I can saying it, I saw these Offensive for what they were for the day Mansfield beat us. If we were a Wrexham today and in our 7th season in the Conference, Chappel, Masters and the rest of the committee would still be as they are now. Look at this, not a person under 30 on it and the website as well bristolroverssc.co.uk/committee/I think your getting a bit carried away with your top ten finish talk. Little and davies were not offered new contracts from fellow league one clubs,they also were mostly not first choice last season. Hare had a good season in the conference. They might all turn out to be good signings but its hardly the basis for massive optimism imo.
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Post by utg12 on Jun 12, 2019 23:03:56 GMT
I don't understand why, if Steve Hamer is so toxic, they don't just sack him? So he's got a contract of employment. Nothing new there. Why do you seem to believe the few voices who suggest, without evidence, that Hamer is a problem? The problem is that him and Starnes do not get on, and their jobs conflict. You all must have seen something similar in your workplaces at some point??? Doesn't mean either of them is toxic but it certainly is true that they have different approaches and beliefs. Believe it or not but Hamer is the old school one, with principles and respect for people who help the club. This approach may sound nice but modern football ownership doesn't always want that. Starnes is the new school one, more ruthless, drives for profit and wants very little to do with ANY other organisations, be it SC, PC, or even benign associations.
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Post by Severncider on Jun 12, 2019 23:06:48 GMT
I don't understand why, if Steve Hamer is so toxic, they don't just sack him?
So he's got a contract of employment. Nothing new there. My understanding is that he was appointed by Hani of Dwayne Sports and Wael has no say in his employ
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Post by glengas on Jun 12, 2019 23:11:38 GMT
What we needed last night was an apology at the start for the delay in getting the accounts ready, a strategy about the stadium, training ground, cost management and ongoing financial commitment from the majority shareholder, and a properly chaired meeting ensuring no one from the floor dominated questions. What we got was no apology, no auditors in attendance to explain the delays because they were going to charge too much, nothing from Wael apart from a desperate plea at the end that we are ‘one family’, and a chairman who left before the end of the meeting to get back to London, and let one individual make a fool of himself with a succession of claims about financial mismanagement which he then could not substantiate to Martin Starnes. It was the most amateurish and toxic AGM of any company I’ve ever attended. Hamer was on holiday with his wife who apparently is very unwell so we should cut him some slack (he wouldn’t have done any better at chairing the meeting anyway). Mike Turner claims not to be conflicted as a partner at Taylor Wessing, Director of BRFC, acting for Dwayne Sports who are his clients, and his firm receiving fees as BRFC Company Secretary but failing (apparently) to provide the SC Share Scheme with certificates for the past three years. Ken Masters sat at the top table and said virtually nothing, and he is the only voice we shareholders have on that board. Overall very poor communication. At least the q&a afterwards with Tommy and Jo was a lot more informative. Thanks for the summary. All in all it sounds like a bit of a shambles all round, but sorry to say I can’t say I’m surprised.
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Post by Severncider on Jun 12, 2019 23:15:47 GMT
Sounds like the last days of the Roman Empire to me. It's slowly but surely falling apart. Such an unfortunate coincidence that Mr Hamer booked his holiday the same week as the AGM. Ah well, these things happen. We’ve just signed 3 players and more coming in and on the pitch I think we will have the best season in Div1 for a long time. I honestly think Cogs can get us into the top 10. Hamer wasn’t there in my opinion because he’s not wanted there. He wasn’t at the EFL summit because he was banned from it and let’s not forget he wasn’t just sacked by Swansea, he was kicked out and banned. The man has been spreading rumours and I don’t know why they can’t get rid of him but he’s on borrowed time. I trust Martin Starnes, he’s not a novice at this job and it’s again obvious he’s been brought in to do a job Hamer couldn’t. As for the SC, it’s an old boys club with no ambition. The man running doesn’t even do social media or have an email account. I repeat and I can saying it, I saw these Offensive for what they were for the day Mansfield beat us. If we were a Wrexham today and in our 7th season in the Conference, Chappel, Masters and the rest of the committee would still be as they are now. Look at this, not a person under 30 on it and the website as well bristolroverssc.co.uk/committee/You need to get your facts right. The Chairman was not there because his wife is very ill and he rightly decided it was more appropriate to spend time with her than at the AGM of BRFC.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 12, 2019 23:33:38 GMT
Roady I rarely post on these internal-club/ itk/ conspiracy threads because all I do is drive up, go in the bars for a drink, talk to people, watch the football, cheer and go home. In short I know sod all about the internal politics of the club. I hope you are right and what you suppose is Wael’s strategy is indeed what he is trying to do. But if it was then all he needed to do over the past two years was communicate with the fans. He didn’t need to give us all the info, he didn’t need to break confidential agreements, he didn’t need to build the new ground or anything else immediately but regular communication setting out his intentions and how they were progressing generally would have been enough for the large majority of the fan base I would have thought. As it is his silence over months have perhaps engendered a sense of frustration and fear over the future. I’m not expecting millions to be spent or someone to magic stuff out of a hat but a simple means of communication would have gone a long way to placating and reassuring fans imo. I hope you are right and I’ve enjoyed reading your posts esp as I know nothing about the stuff you talk about. All I care about is BRFC and it’s future, hopefully a successful one. UTG! I am exactly the same as you, a 200 mile round trip for 23 home games of the season and 80% of the away games. I have supported us for 34 years, Dunford, Craig, Higgs, Al Qadi, all in terrible facilities, before Wael we had multi millionaires who couldn’t but a plot of land. I love going with my Dad and seeing my mates, I am enthused by the 3 signings already. What can we all do with this speculating and do I really want to go to Elland Road at £29 a ticket and lose 4-0 most weeks in the league? The man south of the river lost £25 million last season having a go at it!!! I say give Wael the benefit of the doubt, if we ever hit admin, take the 12 points deduction and we’ve faced the conference before. But my main point is and still is, if people are that worried then form a protest group and committee. I can’t wait for the season to start, can’t wait for the 6ft 6 bald man to sign this week, spoke to Jonno as well in Dubai, he said he’s hearing we are really active all over the transfer market. I will also give him the benefit of the doubt because I live in hope that he will deliver. I go back to 1966 and don’t do as many games as you and only do as many home games as I can and a handful of aways. But my point remains that with all his goodwill and optimism he could have got some easy wins with the fans had he worked out a simple communication strategy / keep the fans informed instead of going silent for months at a time. But it is what it is and I am as patient with it as most of our fans are. GC is doing a very good job and as you said, I’m looking forward as well to the season. And one of the positives so far is that GC seems to take a very focused approach to our recruitment which is leading to one of the most positive transfer windows for some time. UTG!
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Post by axegas on Jun 12, 2019 23:58:27 GMT
We’ve just signed 3 players and more coming in and on the pitch I think we will have the best season in Div1 for a long time. I honestly think Cogs can get us into the top 10. Hamer wasn’t there in my opinion because he’s not wanted there. He wasn’t at the EFL summit because he was banned from it and let’s not forget he wasn’t just sacked by Swansea, he was kicked out and banned. The man has been spreading rumours and I don’t know why they can’t get rid of him but he’s on borrowed time. I trust Martin Starnes, he’s not a novice at this job and it’s again obvious he’s been brought in to do a job Hamer couldn’t. As for the SC, it’s an old boys club with no ambition. The man running doesn’t even do social media or have an email account. I repeat and I can saying it, I saw these Offensive for what they were for the day Mansfield beat us. If we were a Wrexham today and in our 7th season in the Conference, Chappel, Masters and the rest of the committee would still be as they are now. Look at this, not a person under 30 on it and the website as well bristolroverssc.co.uk/committee/I think your getting a bit carried away with your top ten finish talk. Little and davies were not offered new contracts from fellow league one clubs,they also were mostly not first choice last season. Hare had a good season in the conference. They might all turn out to be good signings but its hardly the basis for massive optimism imo. Davies was offered an third year option but didn’t take it, Bolton are such a basket case of a football cub that the players themselves aren’t sure whether they’ll be playing there next year or not. Fans at both clubs surprised they haven’t played more given their respective track record. They aren’t out of this world signings but for a club like ours they are definitely of a good calibre at least. More than a reason of optimism for me and I’m looking forward to seeing them all play.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 0:21:51 GMT
I think your getting a bit carried away with your top ten finish talk. Little and davies were not offered new contracts from fellow league one clubs,they also were mostly not first choice last season. Hare had a good season in the conference. They might all turn out to be good signings but its hardly the basis for massive optimism imo. Davies was offered an third year option but didn’t take it, Bolton are such a basket case of a football cub that the players themselves aren’t sure whether they’ll be playing there next year or not. Fans at both clubs surprised they haven’t played more given their respective track record. They aren’t out of this world signings but for a club like ours they are definitely of a good calibre at least. More than a reason of optimism for me and I’m looking forward to seeing them all play. According to coventry city davies was released. Little has had a good career but you have to wonder why he hardly played last season. I just think that signing 2 right-backs and a centre-back coming in to replace arguably our best player does not = top ten just at the moment.
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Post by rosssgb on Jun 13, 2019 0:51:15 GMT
See a few of sh*thouse fc have started replying, roll on tomorrow
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Post by peterparker on Jun 13, 2019 5:23:46 GMT
What we needed last night was an apology at the start for the delay in getting the accounts ready, a strategy about the stadium, training ground, cost management and ongoing financial commitment from the majority shareholder, and a properly chaired meeting ensuring no one from the floor dominated questions. What we got was no apology, no auditors in attendance to explain the delays because they were going to charge too much, nothing from Wael apart from a desperate plea at the end that we are ‘one family’, and a chairman who left before the end of the meeting to get back to London, and let one individual make a fool of himself with a succession of claims about financial mismanagement which he then could not substantiate to Martin Starnes. It was the most amateurish and toxic AGM of any company I’ve ever attended. Hamer was on holiday with his wife who apparently is very unwell so we should cut him some slack (he wouldn’t have done any better at chairing the meeting anyway). Mike Turner claims not to be conflicted as a partner at Taylor Wessing, Director of BRFC, acting for Dwayne Sports who are his clients, and his firm receiving fees as BRFC Company Secretary but failing (apparently) to provide the SC Share Scheme with certificates for the past three years. Ken Masters sat at the top table and said virtually nothing, and he is the only voice we shareholders have on that board. Overall very poor communication. At least the q&a afterwards with Tommy and Jo was a lot more informative. Auditors dont (generally) go to AGMs of Ltd companies and what do you expect them to say?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2019 5:26:27 GMT
I don't understand why, if Steve Hamer is so toxic, they don't just sack him? So he's got a contract of employment. Nothing new there. Why do you seem to believe the few voices who suggest, without evidence, that Hamer is a problem? The problem is that him and Starnes do not get on, and their jobs conflict. You all must have seen something similar in your workplaces at some point??? Doesn't mean either of them is toxic but it certainly is true that they have different approaches and beliefs. Believe it or not but Hamer is the old school one, with principles and respect for people who help the club. This approach may sound nice but modern football ownership doesn't always want that. Starnes is the new school one, more ruthless, drives for profit and wants very little to do with ANY other organisations, be it SC, PC, or even benign associations. Top bantz
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 13, 2019 6:18:36 GMT
See a few of sh*thouse fc have started replying, roll on tomorrow No, I'd called it posters having adult conversations not resorting to childish name calling.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 13, 2019 6:22:29 GMT
Davies was offered an third year option but didn’t take it, Bolton are such a basket case of a football cub that the players themselves aren’t sure whether they’ll be playing there next year or not. Fans at both clubs surprised they haven’t played more given their respective track record. They aren’t out of this world signings but for a club like ours they are definitely of a good calibre at least. More than a reason of optimism for me and I’m looking forward to seeing them all play. According to coventry city davies was released. Little has had a good career but you have to wonder why he hardly played last season. I just think that signing 2 right-backs and a centre-back coming in to replace arguably our best player does not = top ten just at the moment. Little clearly fell out with Parkinson, Hare and him should be able to cover for JC & Parts, only time will tell over Locks replacement. The new goalie, winger and striker will probably determine if we're top 10 potential or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 6:38:45 GMT
Actually auditors do attend AGM's so it is unusual for them not too. When the accounts are late, then the auditors should be there to give their side of the story to the shareholders. It's the first time I can remember there being no auditors at a BRFC AGM and what a surprise that this coincides with the one time that the accounts are late. Even if there is no real story behind this, from a PR and shareholder communication perspective, it reflects very poorly on the board. The explanation given by the Chairman was that the cost of the auditors attending was too great. Usually AGM attendance is part of the contractual arrangement between company and auditor. It didn't get the meeting off to a good start and sadly added to the toxicity of the AGM.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2019 6:59:07 GMT
Actually auditors do attend AGM's so it is unusual for them not too. When the accounts are late, then the auditors should be there to give their side of the story to the shareholders. It's the first time I can remember there being no auditors at a BRFC AGM and what a surprise that this coincides with the one time that the accounts are late. Even if there is no real story behind this, from a PR and shareholder communication perspective, it reflects very poorly on the board. The explanation given by the Chairman was that the cost of the auditors attending was too great. Usually AGM attendance is part of the contractual arrangement between company and auditor. It didn't get the meeting off to a good start and sadly added to the toxicity of the AGM. Looking at the "Will he be there" thread I reckon this AGM was always going to be toxic. I just don't see how that's helpful to either side.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 13, 2019 7:05:38 GMT
Actually auditors do attend AGM's so it is unusual for them not too. When the accounts are late, then the auditors should be there to give their side of the story to the shareholders. It's the first time I can remember there being no auditors at a BRFC AGM and what a surprise that this coincides with the one time that the accounts are late. Even if there is no real story behind this, from a PR and shareholder communication perspective, it reflects very poorly on the board. The explanation given by the Chairman was that the cost of the auditors attending was too great. Usually AGM attendance is part of the contractual arrangement between company and auditor. It didn't get the meeting off to a good start and sadly added to the toxicity of the AGM. I guess we can get into semantics, but they are entitled to attend, it is not an obligation
That said, I will say again, what does anyone in attend to ask them and expect them to say. The auditors report in the financial statement is about all you are going to get and they would have mentioned the technical accounting adjustment or whatever the term used was that most of the audience wouldn't understand.
As far as the auditors are concerned the accounts are in check (after all that's their job) and they have been/were reassured that the business would remain a going concern based on the financial support of Dwane Sports/Al-Qadi Family
I can't think of anything worse than the auditors being asked a question and a handful of people who don't have a f**king clue coming on here and moaning about their answers as a third party who's job is literally to check the accounts and recommend any adjustments
any questions about the accounts should be aimed at the club/club accountant(s). If people want to ask about the treatment of The Mem as a fixed asset/investment property ask the club.
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Post by Thatslife on Jun 13, 2019 9:18:11 GMT
Mushroom management , kept in the dark and fed sh1t
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Post by socrates on Jun 13, 2019 9:26:27 GMT
Davies was offered an third year option but didn’t take it, Bolton are such a basket case of a football cub that the players themselves aren’t sure whether they’ll be playing there next year or not. Fans at both clubs surprised they haven’t played more given their respective track record. They aren’t out of this world signings but for a club like ours they are definitely of a good calibre at least. More than a reason of optimism for me and I’m looking forward to seeing them all play. According to coventry city davies was released. Little has had a good career but you have to wonder why he hardly played last season. I just think that signing 2 right-backs and a centre-back coming in to replace arguably our best player does not = top ten just at the moment. Agreed. All of last season we were crying out for some pace out wide and a playmaker in the middle, even when results picked up around Christmas it was obvious and that so far hasn’t changed. If we can sign two wingers who are quick and decent league 1 standard and find someone who can help us keep possession in midfield then we can challenge top half. We obviously need a good keeper too. Until then it’s a relegation scrap , but there’s plenty of time obviously until the window shuts.
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 13, 2019 9:32:46 GMT
Drives me mad. CertIn people on here demanding answers & future strategies of where the club is going. Those same people were at the AGM last night. One of them, beginning with K I asked him twice if he will be asking Wael the the future holds. I was ignored both times while he posted something else. The same people then come on here with absolute dismay that Wael didn’t say about the future strategy of the club. And just to top it off, they make a suggestion that Wael made a promise to answer questions on Twitter & to get others to do it. You couldn’t make it up at times I swear Brilliant post, brilliant. Here is Wael’s future strategy and I haven’t spoken to the bloke but let’s pretend I am him for some fun.............”we are hoping on the field to produce a Division 1 football team with the help of Graham Coughlan that can challenge for promotion playing winning entertaining football. We also hope to see players come into the first team from the youth team and be a club where we attract young talent and be trusted by parents to allow their children to join our teams..........off the field we are striving to improve all commercial aspects of the club and we are making progress in these areas as you will see. We know the current stadium is not really suited for sustained Championship football and potential future Premiership football in the future, a dream of every club outside the top 18 clubs in the country currently. With this in mind we are still working hard and striving to find ourselves a solution to give Bristol Rovers and it’s fans a new home to play football in. We know this is essential to the clubs existence and ambition to reach higher heights in football in this country and I assure everyone personally that I am doing my upmost to achieve this united goal” I reckon this is pretty much Wael’s strategy OK - sounds reasonable. But. "we are still working hard and striving to find ourselves a solution to give Bristol Rovers and it’s fans a new home to play football in". UWE collapsed some time ago. I think what would pacify a lot of supporters is to see some actual evidence that we are genuinely looking at new sites. We had the initial lie about re-developing the Memorial Stadium with people who have built "not 4 or 5 but 10 world class stadiums" (I paraphrase). Then there was the mythical Stadium that just failed at the final hurdle before Christmas. Where was it then? Show me the evidence. Don't hide behind NDA's. Action speaks louder than words. I can't give Dwane Sports 'the benefit of doubt' because I don't have blind faith.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2019 9:34:31 GMT
Ah, that old head in the sand chestnut. If all the people who seem to know how bad the Club is would kindly come forward, reveal themselves and tell us what's going on I would happily do what ever is required to assist them. Better still, the Fans Director should direct the Fans. In the meantime, yeah, I will keep my head buried from all the tit for tat anonymous sniping that's going on. If our club goes to sh** and I did nothing based on not actually knowing what the f**k is going on then I can live with that. If our club goes to sh** and all I did was post vague things anonymously then I would have wished I did more. After all, even Knowall tells us just to wait and it will all be ok. Good news just round the corner....
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